Win 2000 question

[PA20Pilot]

Hi,

Sorry for hitting the XP group with this, but the W2000 is pretty much
stagnant.

I'm using W2000 sp4 on about 8 year old hardware and things are going
great. However, I'm trying to hook up a SATA hard drive as an external
usb 2.0 slave and it appears I'm short a driver for SATA recognition.

I've read around a few places and stumbled into a "universal driver"
which may, or may not be what I'm in need of. It's referred to as
UniATA. Might any of you have any experience with this driver set?

http://alter.org.ua/soft/win/uni_ata/

Am I going about this all wrong and should be coming at this from a
different direction. Is there perhaps something somewhere already built
in that'll help w2000 find the drive?

The SATA drive doesn't show anywhere in windows, device manager, disc
management, BIOS etc. Partition Magic as well as Ghost don't see it either.

Thanks!


---==X={}=X==---

Jim Self

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[Peter Foldes]

Your 8 year old hardware and your 8 year old Bios will obviously block this from you
implementing it

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[Zaphod Beeblebrox]

Hi,

Sorry for hitting the XP group with this, but the W2000 is pretty
much stagnant.

I'm using W2000 sp4 on about 8 year old hardware and things are
going great. However, I'm trying to hook up a SATA hard drive as an
external usb 2.0 slave and it appears I'm short a driver for SATA
recognition.

I've read around a few places and stumbled into a "universal driver"
which may, or may not be what I'm in need of. It's referred to as
UniATA. Might any of you have any experience with this driver set?

http://alter.org.ua/soft/win/uni_ata/

Am I going about this all wrong and should be coming at this from a
different direction. Is there perhaps something somewhere already
built in that'll help w2000 find the drive?

The SATA drive doesn't show anywhere in windows, device manager,
disc management, BIOS etc. Partition Magic as well as Ghost don't
see it either.

It sounds like you are hooking up a SATA drive in an external USB
drive enclosure, is that correct? If so, you don't need a SATA driver,
that will be handled by the drive enclosure. The drive won't show up
as a SATA device in Windows, it will show up as a USB device. You
need to make sure you have the proper drivers installed for the USB
2.0 enclosure itself.

--
Zaphod

Pan-Galactic Gargle Blaster: A cocktail based on Janx Spirit.
The effect of one is like having your brain smashed out
by a slice of lemon wrapped round a large gold brick.

 

[SC Tom]

Hi,

Sorry for hitting the XP group with this, but the W2000 is pretty much
stagnant.

I'm using W2000 sp4 on about 8 year old hardware and things are going
great. However, I'm trying to hook up a SATA hard drive as an external usb
2.0 slave and it appears I'm short a driver for SATA recognition.

I've read around a few places and stumbled into a "universal driver" which
may, or may not be what I'm in need of. It's referred to as UniATA. Might
any of you have any experience with this driver set?

http://alter.org.ua/soft/win/uni_ata/

Am I going about this all wrong and should be coming at this from a
different direction. Is there perhaps something somewhere already built in
that'll help w2000 find the drive?

The SATA drive doesn't show anywhere in windows, device manager, disc
management, BIOS etc. Partition Magic as well as Ghost don't see it
either.

Thanks!


---==X={}=X==---

Jim Self

AVIATION ANIMATION, the internet's largest depository.
http://avanimation.avsupport.com

Your only internet source for spiral staircase plans.
http://jself.com/stair/Stair.htm

Experimental Aircraft Association #140897
EAA Technical Counselor #4562

Along with Peter and Zaphod's suggestions, I'd have to ask if your hardware
supports USB2.0? If not, is the USB2.0 enclosure backwards compatible to
USB1.0/1.1? Check your documentation and the manufacturer's web site for any
updates or FAQ's that may address the issue.

 

[philo]

From: "PA20Pilot"<[email protected]>

| Hi,

| Sorry for hitting the XP group with this, but the W2000 is pretty much
| stagnant.

| I'm using W2000 sp4 on about 8 year old hardware and things are going
| great. However, I'm trying to hook up a SATA hard drive as an external
| usb 2.0 slave and it appears I'm short a driver for SATA recognition.

| I've read around a few places and stumbled into a "universal driver"
| which may, or may not be what I'm in need of. It's referred to as
| UniATA. Might any of you have any experience with this driver set?

| http://alter.org.ua/soft/win/uni_ata/

| Am I going about this all wrong and should be coming at this from a
| different direction. Is there perhaps something somewhere already built
| in that'll help w2000 find the drive?

| The SATA drive doesn't show anywhere in windows, device manager, disc
| management, BIOS etc. Partition Magic as well as Ghost don't see it either.

| Thanks!


Its a USB Mass Storage device. SATA drivers are oly for direct coinnection to a SATA or
eSATA interface.

This is a USB Plug 'n Play issue which Win2K won't support well because Win2K came out 11
years ago and such USB to SATA interface devices didn't exist to have native drivers
within that OS and since it is a dead OS, you are SOL.

Totally wrong

to the operating system...the drive is simply USB-2

Zaphod Beebleborx was correct in his advice...

 

[BillW50]

It is a "USB Mass Storage device" to the OS which has a limited capability of PnPing due
the fact 11 years ago such products were few and far between. USB2 is backward compatible
to USB1 but will work much slower than what it was rated at.

I installed Windows 2000 SP4 on an Asus EeePC 702 netboot. And Windows
2000 supports USB2 and sees USB drives just fine just like XP can. And
generally speaking, XP drivers works under Windows 2000 too. I believe
the only one that didn't was the webcam driver. But there was a Windows
2000 driver for that one.

 

[philo]

From: "philo"<[email protected]>







| Totally wrong

| to the operating system...the drive is simply USB-2

| Zaphod Beebleborx was correct in his advice...

I beg to differ...

It is a "USB Mass Storage device" to the OS which has a limited capability of PnPing due
the fact 11 years ago such products were few and far between. USB2 is backward compatible
to USB1 but will work much slower than what it was rated at.

Nope

it does not matter of the OS is 11 years old
Win2k deals with USB just fine

 

[BillW50]

In

Bill, are you saying that you used a USB to SATA interface and it
Plug 'n Played OK under Win2K and and it was assigned a drive letter ?

Yes! Although you might need SP4, as that is what I use. As I remember
for example that if you install Windows from an USB CD drive, you need
the following:

1) Windows 2000 SP4

2) Windows XP SP2 or greater

 

[PA20Pilot]

Thanks guys!

I do have USB 2.0 running. It's not really an "enclosure" I'm hooking up
through the usb port, it's just wires. You can see the wire set here.

http://www.google.com/search?q="USB+2.0+to+SATA%2FIDE"&hl=en&num=50&lr=&ft=i&cr=&safe=images&tbs=

Pretty much I've always been able to hook any size or model hard drive
through these wires into my USB port and make copies, move files,
back-up etc. The SATA thing is pretty new to me, my hard drive piles are
IDE stuff.

I'm pretty much sure I've had laptop SATA drives visible through these
wires and w2000 right here before, but this time it's a brand new sata
drive that's probably not formatted or fooled with prior to getting to
me, just bought it. Can't say I understand why I could see sata before
and not this new drive too. I've backed up my neighbors sata laptop
drive when we reinstalled her OS, copied it to an IDE for safe storage.

Sorry for not getting right back here, but I was screwing around with an
old router and wireless PCI card and it blew away my connectivity with
newsgroups.

Thanks again!

---==X={}=X==---

Jim Self

AVIATION ANIMATION, the internet's largest depository.
http://avanimation.avsupport.com

Your only internet source for spiral staircase plans.
http://jself.com/stair/Stair.htm

Experimental Aircraft Association #140897
EAA Technical Counselor #4562

 

[Zaphod Beeblebrox]

Thanks guys!

I do have USB 2.0 running. It's not really an "enclosure" I'm
hooking up through the usb port, it's just wires. You can see the
wire set here.

http://www.google.com/search?q="USB+2.0+to+SATA%2FIDE"&hl=en&num=50&lr=&ft=i&cr=&safe=images&tbs=

Pretty much I've always been able to hook any size or model hard
drive through these wires into my USB port and make copies, move
files, back-up etc. The SATA thing is pretty new to me, my hard
drive piles are IDE stuff.

I'm pretty much sure I've had laptop SATA drives visible through
these wires and w2000 right here before, but this time it's a brand
new sata drive that's probably not formatted or fooled with prior to
getting to me, just bought it. Can't say I understand why I could
see sata before and not this new drive too. I've backed up my
neighbors sata laptop drive when we reinstalled her OS, copied it to
an IDE for safe storage.

Sorry for not getting right back here, but I was screwing around
with an old router and wireless PCI card and it blew away my
connectivity with newsgroups.

I've never used an adapter like that so I'm just guessing here, but if
it has ever worked for any SATA drive, then the problem is likely
either the device doesn't the newer larger drive, or that the drive
isn't partitioned and formatted. Can you see the drive under the Disk
Management console? If so, try partitioning and formatting it there.

--
Zaphod

Arthur Dent, speaking to Trillian about Zaphod:
"So, two heads is what does it for a girl?"
"...Anything else he's got two of?"

 

[BillW50]

In

I've never used an adapter like that so I'm just guessing here, but if
it has ever worked for any SATA drive, then the problem is likely
either the device doesn't the newer larger drive, or that the drive
isn't partitioned and formatted. Can you see the drive under the Disk
Management console? If so, try partitioning and formatting it there.

I bought one of these too and I have some bad news about them. While
they claim to work with IDE (PATA) and SATA drives either 2.5 or 3.5
sizes. The power supply that comes with it doesn't have enough 5vdc
power for the SATA 2.5 type (even though the supply claims [email protected]). It
works with all others though.

What does work with SATA 2.5 drives is this one:

http://0fleyq.blu.livefilestore.com...XnV1dYN0voaUs8rPOF_CpPDtKdeMn/sata.jpg?psid=1

And it gets 5V from the USB port, so no power supply required.

 

[PA20Pilot]

Hi again,

BillW50 wrote;..... The power supply that comes with it doesn't have
enough 5vdc.....


I've had it for a couple of years, and so far at least, it's been able
to power anything I've hooked up to it.

I'm kind of thinking it might also be a problem with my w2000 still
running on fat32 instead of NTSF and having a problem seeing things,
that is if there is a partition to see on the sata drive.

Now that the email is working for me again I'll be able to fool around
with the drive again and see where I'm at. Right now I have to re-clone
my main hard drive a few times to feel comfortable with backups again.

Zaphod wrote:....Can you see the drive under the Disk Management console?

Not yet I can't. I'm sure I've had these little drives hooked up before,
so it's a matter of finding the right program to see them again. I'm
even thinking I "may" convert my main drive over to NTSF and run with
that for a while. I've been reluctant to do that with all my old drives
being swapped around over the years I liked having them all being able
to see and play well too.

Thanks again folks for your interest and help, I sure do appreciate it.

---==X={}=X==---

Jim Self

AVIATION ANIMATION, the internet's largest depository.
http://avanimation.avsupport.com

Your only internet source for spiral staircase plans.
http://jself.com/stair/Stair.htm

Experimental Aircraft Association #140897
EAA Technical Counselor #4562

 

[BillW50]

In

Hi again,

BillW50 wrote;..... The power supply that comes with it doesn't have
enough 5vdc.....

I've had it for a couple of years, and so far at least, it's been able
to power anything I've hooked up to it.

I'm kind of thinking it might also be a problem with my w2000 still
running on fat32 instead of NTSF and having a problem seeing things,
that is if there is a partition to see on the sata drive.

Now that the email is working for me again I'll be able to fool around
with the drive again and see where I'm at. Right now I have to
re-clone my main hard drive a few times to feel comfortable with
backups again.

It works for me too for all except SATA 2.5 drives. I have 7 SATA 2.5
drives and it is the same with all of them. The drive will attempt to
spin up but can't. And you can hear the head click back and forth in and
out of park. If your drive spins up, then it should be fine.

I proved the problem was with the power supply I got with it. As I used
an old desktop power supply for power and then it worked just fine.
Using the one they sent me, maybe one time out of 50 I could get the
drive to spin up. But that isn't good enough.

 

[Zaphod Beeblebrox]

Hi again,

BillW50 wrote;..... The power supply that comes with it doesn't have
enough 5vdc.....


I've had it for a couple of years, and so far at least, it's been
able to power anything I've hooked up to it.

I'm kind of thinking it might also be a problem with my w2000 still
running on fat32 instead of NTSF and having a problem seeing things,
that is if there is a partition to see on the sata drive.

Now that the email is working for me again I'll be able to fool
around with the drive again and see where I'm at. Right now I have
to re-clone my main hard drive a few times to feel comfortable with
backups again.

Zaphod wrote:....Can you see the drive under the Disk Management
console?

Not yet I can't. I'm sure I've had these little drives hooked up
before, so it's a matter of finding the right program to see them
again. I'm even thinking I "may" convert my main drive over to NTSF
and run with that for a while. I've been reluctant to do that with
all my old drives being swapped around over the years I liked having
them all being able to see and play well too.

Having your main drive on NTFS or FAT32 won't make a difference to how
the system sees another drive, whether internal or external. If the
drive isn't partitioned and formatted, it would be worthwhile hooking
it up directly to a PC and doing so, then hooking it back up with the
adapter to see if it can be recognized afterward.

 

[PA20Pilot]

Hi again Zaphod,

.......it would be worthwhile hooking it up directly to a PC and doing
so, then hooking it back up with the adapter....

The little wire set I have is the only way I can try hook ups, I don't
own the laptop the drive will eventually end up in.

Some of my grief over the last week or so was caused by a my main drive
failing. Every now and then things would freeze. I'd fool around with
replugging drive cables and it would go again after a chkdsk or two. One
of the checks mentioned rewriting bum clusters, so it's off to the store
for another drive. Too bad, it was my biggest and newest, about 4 years,
that's konking out.

BillW50 wrote;

......I proved the problem was with the power supply I got with it.

Wouldn't surprise me in the least. I had the plug that hooks to one of
the drive sizes break the side out with way too little effort. Wrapped
it with thread and drenched it with Super Glue for a fix that'll out
live me. It was a cheap way to gain versatility in hooking up drives
though. I also have a couple of those cradles that fill a CD drive space
where you insert a drive and use a key to lock it in and turn on the
power to it. I like them too, but they're not hot swappable.

If this thing holds itself together for another day without any new
tricks, I'll try plugging in the SATA drive again and see what happens.
I also have a barebones W2000 OS hard drive with SP4 and NTSF I can boot
from to see if that'll see the SATA without anything special needed.

Thanks again!

---==X={}=X==---

Jim Self

AVIATION ANIMATION, the internet's largest depository.
http://avanimation.avsupport.com

Your only internet source for spiral staircase plans.
http://jself.com/stair/Stair.htm

Experimental Aircraft Association #140897
EAA Technical Counselor #4562

 

[BillW50]

In

Gracias!

Your welcome. People using USB optical drives and trying to install
Windows needs to know this. Older versions of Windows won't install from
an USB device.

 

[pa20pilot]

BillW50 wrote:

......The power supply that comes with it doesn't have enough 5vdc
power for the SATA 2.5 type (even though the supply [email protected]).
(Mine lists 5V@2A)

I think you're on to something there. I fooled around with hooking up
the wire gizmo again and could get it to show as a USB mass storage
device on the task bar, but nowhere else. I was using a newly formatted
W2000 sp/4 NTSF drive to play with, didn't want to risk anything with
time in it. It only showed up in Disc Management after I pulled the
transformer power source and plugged the drive into one of the desk top
power supply wires instead. I didn't do any more fooling around with it,
like making certain that is where the issue is, but the sata drive
partitioned, formatted, and held drive letters through sticking my main
drive back online so I could write this.

The SATA was recognized after the sp4 update, as the wire gizmo
instructions mentioned it would. Other than that, I didn't need to
install any drivers or anything else to help w2000 find a sata product.

I'm going to take a look at that wire set you mentioned, I really like
the versatility and price combo for the wire sets rather than specific
drive enclosures.

Thanks Bill! Might even put some screws back in some of this dangling stuff.

---==X={}=X==---

Jim Self

AVIATION ANIMATION, the internet's largest depository.
http://avanimation.avsupport.com

Your only internet source for spiral staircase plans.
http://jself.com/stair/Stair.htm

Experimental Aircraft Association #140897
EAA Technical Counselor #4562