Will MS fix video problems caused by SP2?

[Gary Burton]

I have 2 machines. On both machines, I installed SP2; then had to uninstall SP2 because of conflicts with my video drivers. In the process both machines were left with residual problems due to SP2 residue left in. Both machines work better than they did with SP2 installed, but not nearly as well as they did with SP1, before I made the "upgrade". I'm operating in a very inconvenient way now. Each system has different quirks that seem to be related to the video card. Therefore I am anxious to get the updated drivers, re-install SP2, and thereby (hopefully) fix the residual problems. Incidentally, the drivers for both machines are listed in the device manager as being digitally signed by Microsoft. I suppose that means that they came with either the WinXP package or with SP1.

I have not yet been able to find video drivers (ones listed as compatible with SP2) for either machine. One video card is about 3 years old, and it may never be an updated driver for SP2. I know I can buy new video cards, but I can't afford to buy new hardware whenever MS decides to issue a service pack.

Both of the video cards I use are reasonably common. Can I expect Microsoft to take this seriously and come out with a revision to SP2 in a reasonable time? What is the best strategy for me to follow?

My main question is general, and has already been asked. However, it would be a nice bonus if anyone happens to have specific information regarding the specific video drivers I am using:
* One computer uses a Video card: Diamond Viper V550, Version 1.95E4904, with 8Mb Ram. This is a PCI card. Video Driver: NVIDIA RIVA TNT version 2.9.5.8. dated 7/2/01
* The other machine use a GigaByte AG32S RAGE 128 version 6.60-010926m-1885C-AMI, with 32 Mb Ram. This is an AGP board. The driver is from ATI, version 6.13.3279.0, dated 9/26/01.

 

[Guest]

Microsoft does not write the hardware drivers. Visit the web site for each
device and check for updates. I know in my case two years ago, I had to buy a
new video card.

 

[Gary Burton]

As I understand it, the drivers that MS distributes with its O/S and its
service packs are written by the vendors, but blessed (and hopefully tested)
by MS. If I'm right, one might expect them to take some responsibility.

Microsoft does not write the hardware drivers. Visit the web site for each
device and check for updates. I know in my case two years ago, I had to buy a
new video card.

uninstall SP2 because of conflicts with my video drivers. In the process
both machines were left with residual problems due to SP2 residue left in.
Both machines work better than they did with SP2 installed, but not nearly
as well as they did with SP1, before I made the "upgrade". I'm operating in
a very inconvenient way now. Each system has different quirks that seem to
be related to the video card. Therefore I am anxious to get the updated
drivers, re-install SP2, and thereby (hopefully) fix the residual problems.
Incidentally, the drivers for both machines are listed in the device manager
as being digitally signed by Microsoft. I suppose that means that they came
with either the WinXP package or with SP1.compatible with SP2) for either machine. One video card is about 3 years
old, and it may never be an updated driver for SP2. I know I can buy new
video cards, but I can't afford to buy new hardware whenever MS decides to
issue a service pack.Microsoft to take this seriously and come out with a revision to SP2 in a
reasonable time? What is the best strategy for me to follow?it would be a nice bonus if anyone happens to have specific information
regarding the specific video drivers I am using:1.95E4904, with 8Mb Ram. This is a PCI card. Video Driver: NVIDIA RIVA TNT
version 2.9.5.8. dated 7/2/016.60-010926m-1885C-AMI, with 32 Mb Ram. This is an AGP board. The driver
is from ATI, version 6.13.3279.0, dated 9/26/01

 

[Richard Urban]

You have two "old dog" video boards. Get something modern and you won't have
any problems.

--

Regards:

Richard Urban

aka Crusty (-: Old B@stard


I have 2 machines. On both machines, I installed SP2; then had to
uninstall SP2 because of conflicts with my video drivers. In the process
both machines were left with residual problems due to SP2 residue left in.
Both machines work better than they did with SP2 installed, but not nearly
as well as they did with SP1, before I made the "upgrade". I'm operating in
a very inconvenient way now. Each system has different quirks that seem to
be related to the video card. Therefore I am anxious to get the updated
drivers, re-install SP2, and thereby (hopefully) fix the residual problems.
Incidentally, the drivers for both machines are listed in the device manager
as being digitally signed by Microsoft. I suppose that means that they came
with either the WinXP package or with SP1.

I have not yet been able to find video drivers (ones listed as
compatible with SP2) for either machine. One video card is about 3 years
old, and it may never be an updated driver for SP2. I know I can buy new
video cards, but I can't afford to buy new hardware whenever MS decides to
issue a service pack.

Both of the video cards I use are reasonably common. Can I expect
Microsoft to take this seriously and come out with a revision to SP2 in a
reasonable time? What is the best strategy for me to follow?

My main question is general, and has already been asked. However, it
would be a nice bonus if anyone happens to have specific information
regarding the specific video drivers I am using:
* One computer uses a Video card: Diamond Viper V550, Version
1.95E4904, with 8Mb Ram. This is a PCI card. Video Driver: NVIDIA RIVA TNT
version 2.9.5.8. dated 7/2/01
* The other machine use a GigaByte AG32S RAGE 128 version
6.60-010926m-1885C-AMI, with 32 Mb Ram. This is an AGP board. The driver
is from ATI, version 6.13.3279.0, dated 9/26/01.

 

[Paul Heslop]

You have two "old dog" video boards. Get something modern and you won't have
any problems.

--

Isn't this part of the problem, Richard? It's almost like enforced
upgrading. It's funny how many companies were in trouble before XP
came out and suddenly there's a demand for new equipment... and it
happens again and again and again.

 

[jeffrey]

Hi,

Not really, as new programs come out, newer services as well, some hardware
just can`t keep up. You might want to try about finding and updating the
drivers to your video card instead of replacing them. But in todays market,
video cards aren`t that expensive and sometimes it will save you in the long
run to update them to the new ones, when future software comes out requiring
the abilities of the current video cards. I also find some performance
increases when I upgraded a video card on my W2K system.

Jeff

 

[D.Currie]

Your drivers are really old. By years. Go to Nvidia's website for the TNT
card, and ATI's website for the Rage, and download the appropriate drivers.


I have 2 machines. On both machines, I installed SP2; then had to
uninstall SP2 because of conflicts with my video drivers. In the process
both machines were left with residual problems due to SP2 residue left in.
Both machines work better than they did with SP2 installed, but not nearly
as well as they did with SP1, before I made the "upgrade". I'm operating in
a very inconvenient way now. Each system has different quirks that seem to
be related to the video card. Therefore I am anxious to get the updated
drivers, re-install SP2, and thereby (hopefully) fix the residual problems.
Incidentally, the drivers for both machines are listed in the device manager
as being digitally signed by Microsoft. I suppose that means that they came
with either the WinXP package or with SP1.

I have not yet been able to find video drivers (ones listed as
compatible with SP2) for either machine. One video card is about 3 years
old, and it may never be an updated driver for SP2. I know I can buy new
video cards, but I can't afford to buy new hardware whenever MS decides to
issue a service pack.

Both of the video cards I use are reasonably common. Can I expect
Microsoft to take this seriously and come out with a revision to SP2 in a
reasonable time? What is the best strategy for me to follow?

My main question is general, and has already been asked. However, it
would be a nice bonus if anyone happens to have specific information
regarding the specific video drivers I am using:
* One computer uses a Video card: Diamond Viper V550, Version
1.95E4904, with 8Mb Ram. This is a PCI card. Video Driver: NVIDIA RIVA TNT
version 2.9.5.8. dated 7/2/01
* The other machine use a GigaByte AG32S RAGE 128 version
6.60-010926m-1885C-AMI, with 32 Mb Ram. This is an AGP board. The driver
is from ATI, version 6.13.3279.0, dated 9/26/01.

 

[Gary Burton]

The boards work fine until somebody screws around with their platform.
Gates screwed around with the O/S again. That shouldn't cause me to buy new
hardware.

 

[Gary Burton]

I tried that. They don't exist. I don't understand why people so
willingly accept Gate's propaganda that whenever he screws something up it's
the fault of whatever he screwed up. The drivers were working fine until
Gates "upgraded" the O/S.

 

[Gary Burton]

Right on!!!!

Isn't this part of the problem, Richard? It's almost like enforced
upgrading. It's funny how many companies were in trouble before XP
came out and suddenly there's a demand for new equipment... and it
happens again and again and again.

 

[Gary Burton]

This rationale really turns me off. Blind loyalty to MS beyond all
common sense. I was completely satisfied with my video cards until MS made
this careless re-write of the O/S. I don't need, or want better video
performance than what I had before; and I surely don't want to buy more
hardware to make things more convenient for MS.

Hi,

Not really, as new programs come out, newer services as well, some hardware
just can`t keep up. You might want to try about finding and updating the
drivers to your video card instead of replacing them. But in todays market,
video cards aren`t that expensive and sometimes it will save you in the long
run to update them to the new ones, when future software comes out requiring
the abilities of the current video cards. I also find some performance
increases when I upgraded a video card on my W2K system.

Jeff

won't

 

[SlowJet]

Gary,

If they worked in XP thru SP1 then they will work in SP2.

There was a problem with some NVidia driver element runnig as a servive up through the late Version 5x.xx untill 62.57?

The 62.77 is the current and that handles the fix and DX9c.

If you can install that it will work with SP2.

You'll have to check with ATI for the other drivers but again, if it ran in XP Sp1 it should run in Sp2 with newer drivers for DX9c.

SJ
I have 2 machines. On both machines, I installed SP2; then had to uninstall SP2 because of conflicts with my video drivers. In the process both machines were left with residual problems due to SP2 residue left in. Both machines work better than they did with SP2 installed, but not nearly as well as they did with SP1, before I made the "upgrade". I'm operating in a very inconvenient way now. Each system has different quirks that seem to be related to the video card. Therefore I am anxious to get the updated drivers, re-install SP2, and thereby (hopefully) fix the residual problems. Incidentally, the drivers for both machines are listed in the device manager as being digitally signed by Microsoft. I suppose that means that they came with either the WinXP package or with SP1.

I have not yet been able to find video drivers (ones listed as compatible with SP2) for either machine. One video card is about 3 years old, and it may never be an updated driver for SP2. I know I can buy new video cards, but I can't afford to buy new hardware whenever MS decides to issue a service pack.

Both of the video cards I use are reasonably common. Can I expect Microsoft to take this seriously and come out with a revision to SP2 in a reasonable time? What is the best strategy for me to follow?

My main question is general, and has already been asked. However, it would be a nice bonus if anyone happens to have specific information regarding the specific video drivers I am using:
* One computer uses a Video card: Diamond Viper V550, Version 1.95E4904, with 8Mb Ram. This is a PCI card. Video Driver: NVIDIA RIVA TNT version 2.9.5.8. dated 7/2/01
* The other machine use a GigaByte AG32S RAGE 128 version 6.60-010926m-1885C-AMI, with 32 Mb Ram. This is an AGP board. The driver is from ATI, version 6.13.3279.0, dated 9/26/01.

 

[SlowJet]

Kiss me, don't touch me!
Kiss me, don't touch me!

lol

Come on, this is basic stuff.
MS doesn't code exteranl device drivers except for their own products. They suppy versions that have passed certain tests but often the device MFG's drivers need to be updated to fix problems that come up so they roll out several versions without the MS testing approval.
Sometimes the MFG drivers have been modified by the computer vendor so they have to get the new drivers out. That effort usually ends with the product life cycle.

Video drivers have lots of silly names but you have to go by the internal componets. TNT, GForce, etc.

SJ
I have 2 machines. On both machines, I installed SP2; then had to uninstall SP2 because of conflicts with my video drivers. In the process both machines were left with residual problems due to SP2 residue left in. Both machines work better than they did with SP2 installed, but not nearly as well as they did with SP1, before I made the "upgrade". I'm operating in a very inconvenient way now. Each system has different quirks that seem to be related to the video card. Therefore I am anxious to get the updated drivers, re-install SP2, and thereby (hopefully) fix the residual problems. Incidentally, the drivers for both machines are listed in the device manager as being digitally signed by Microsoft. I suppose that means that they came with either the WinXP package or with SP1.

I have not yet been able to find video drivers (ones listed as compatible with SP2) for either machine. One video card is about 3 years old, and it may never be an updated driver for SP2. I know I can buy new video cards, but I can't afford to buy new hardware whenever MS decides to issue a service pack.

Both of the video cards I use are reasonably common. Can I expect Microsoft to take this seriously and come out with a revision to SP2 in a reasonable time? What is the best strategy for me to follow?

My main question is general, and has already been asked. However, it would be a nice bonus if anyone happens to have specific information regarding the specific video drivers I am using:
* One computer uses a Video card: Diamond Viper V550, Version 1.95E4904, with 8Mb Ram. This is a PCI card. Video Driver: NVIDIA RIVA TNT version 2.9.5.8. dated 7/2/01
* The other machine use a GigaByte AG32S RAGE 128 version 6.60-010926m-1885C-AMI, with 32 Mb Ram. This is an AGP board. The driver is from ATI, version 6.13.3279.0, dated 9/26/01.

 

[SlowJet]

I will add that if MS didn't supply device drivers for MFG's then each time a newer than OS computer needed to be installed one would have to have a standard set of devices to fall back on.

a PS2 keyboard, and mouse, a standard VGA video, the onboard standard IDE.
You would have to install the OS, then upgrade each device to the new one, lastly geting your network device in place, then create you own net connection, go to each MFG site and get newer drivers. What a nightmare that would be.

Microsoft products aren't any different.
I have the MS wireless elite keyboard and wireless intellimouse explorer 2.0.

The driver did not exit on XP with SP1 or Sp2.
You have to install with a PS2 keyboard, install the driver and software, shutdown and change keyboards.
When the new driver and software came out, it was one of the worst installs I have seen in a long time.
It installed the new version in a sub folder 5.2 vs. 5.1.
That's fine, but then it went back and updated all of 5.1 to be identical. 5.1 had some help files and some other file so it says to clcik to save in folders on your desktop orf lose them. It took me a hour to undue the mess and get one folder with everything in it, then repeat it on a second machine. So just image what it would be like to have 3 or 4 wireless devices, an SATA RAID add-on, an ATA100 controller, a couiple of USB hubs, 2 NIC's, a zip, a tape backup, a dvd writer, and a new multipurpose HP printer.

Ity would take a month to get a word processor going.

SJ
I have 2 machines. On both machines, I installed SP2; then had to uninstall SP2 because of conflicts with my video drivers. In the process both machines were left with residual problems due to SP2 residue left in. Both machines work better than they did with SP2 installed, but not nearly as well as they did with SP1, before I made the "upgrade". I'm operating in a very inconvenient way now. Each system has different quirks that seem to be related to the video card. Therefore I am anxious to get the updated drivers, re-install SP2, and thereby (hopefully) fix the residual problems. Incidentally, the drivers for both machines are listed in the device manager as being digitally signed by Microsoft. I suppose that means that they came with either the WinXP package or with SP1.

I have not yet been able to find video drivers (ones listed as compatible with SP2) for either machine. One video card is about 3 years old, and it may never be an updated driver for SP2. I know I can buy new video cards, but I can't afford to buy new hardware whenever MS decides to issue a service pack.

Both of the video cards I use are reasonably common. Can I expect Microsoft to take this seriously and come out with a revision to SP2 in a reasonable time? What is the best strategy for me to follow?

My main question is general, and has already been asked. However, it would be a nice bonus if anyone happens to have specific information regarding the specific video drivers I am using:
* One computer uses a Video card: Diamond Viper V550, Version 1.95E4904, with 8Mb Ram. This is a PCI card. Video Driver: NVIDIA RIVA TNT version 2.9.5.8. dated 7/2/01
* The other machine use a GigaByte AG32S RAGE 128 version 6.60-010926m-1885C-AMI, with 32 Mb Ram. This is an AGP board. The driver is from ATI, version 6.13.3279.0, dated 9/26/01.

 

[Paul Heslop]

Hi,

Not really, as new programs come out, newer services as well, some hardware
just can`t keep up. You might want to try about finding and updating the
drivers to your video card instead of replacing them. But in todays market,
video cards aren`t that expensive and sometimes it will save you in the long
run to update them to the new ones, when future software comes out requiring
the abilities of the current video cards. I also find some performance
increases when I upgraded a video card on my W2K system.

Jeff

I agree that little things now and again aren't too bad, but some
people happen to love their old kit, or can't find equipment of a
like. This doesn't go just for computers, but other electrical goods,
as they're always messing around with stuff and taking things away/
replacing them with 'new' ideas which most always are not as good as
that old timer.
When I first got xp (installed on new system) I lost a good printer, a
good scanner and a good little graphics tablet, all in one go. I
couldn't afford to replace them with the quality of goods I had
already and it took some time before i was back up to speed.

Graphics cards are one of the few objects which have improved greatly
AND got cheaper

 

[Paul Heslop]

This rationale really turns me off. Blind loyalty to MS beyond all
common sense. I was completely satisfied with my video cards until MS made
this careless re-write of the O/S. I don't need, or want better video
performance than what I had before; and I surely don't want to buy more
hardware to make things more convenient for MS.

Yep, that's how I felt with my old kit. I had a printer which worked
like a dream and suddenly it chucked, blobbed ink on a page and
refused to print a single page, a scanner which made strange screaming
noises and took about thirty minutes to produce nothing but a series
of lines and a graphics tab which only showed up as being there when
the system allowed it to become visible, and then usually only for a
short time.

 

[Ron Bogart]

In

This rationale really turns me off. Blind loyalty to MS beyond all
common sense. I was completely satisfied with my video cards until
MS made this careless re-write of the O/S. I don't need, or want
better video performance than what I had before; and I surely don't
want to buy more hardware to make things more convenient for MS.

Hi,

Not really, as new programs come out, newer services as well, some
hardware just can`t keep up. You might want to try about finding
and updating the drivers to your video card instead of replacing
them. But in todays market, video cards aren`t that expensive and
sometimes it will save you in the long run to update them to the new
ones, when future software comes out requiring the abilities of the
current video cards. I also find some performance increases when I
upgraded a video card on my W2K system.

Jeff

You have that choice to keep older hardware - but along with it comes the
choice to stay away from newer software/OS updates that will require newer
more advanced hardware. Blind loyalty works both ways. 8)

 

[Gary Burton]

Thank you!

That's very useful information. I'll go to work on it.

Gary,

If they worked in XP thru SP1 then they will work in SP2.

There was a problem with some NVidia driver element runnig as a servive up through the late Version 5x.xx untill 62.57?

The 62.77 is the current and that handles the fix and DX9c.

If you can install that it will work with SP2.

You'll have to check with ATI for the other drivers but again, if it ran in XP Sp1 it should run in Sp2 with newer drivers for DX9c.

SJ
I have 2 machines. On both machines, I installed SP2; then had to uninstall SP2 because of conflicts with my video drivers. In the process both machines were left with residual problems due to SP2 residue left in. Both machines work better than they did with SP2 installed, but not nearly as well as they did with SP1, before I made the "upgrade". I'm operating in a very inconvenient way now. Each system has different quirks that seem to be related to the video card. Therefore I am anxious to get the updated drivers, re-install SP2, and thereby (hopefully) fix the residual problems. Incidentally, the drivers for both machines are listed in the device manager as being digitally signed by Microsoft. I suppose that means that they came with either the WinXP package or with SP1.

I have not yet been able to find video drivers (ones listed as compatible with SP2) for either machine. One video card is about 3 years old, and it may never be an updated driver for SP2. I know I can buy new video cards, but I can't afford to buy new hardware whenever MS decides to issue a service pack.

Both of the video cards I use are reasonably common. Can I expect Microsoft to take this seriously and come out with a revision to SP2 in a reasonable time? What is the best strategy for me to follow?

My main question is general, and has already been asked. However, it would be a nice bonus if anyone happens to have specific information regarding the specific video drivers I am using:
* One computer uses a Video card: Diamond Viper V550, Version 1.95E4904, with 8Mb Ram. This is a PCI card. Video Driver: NVIDIA RIVA TNT version 2.9.5.8. dated 7/2/01
* The other machine use a GigaByte AG32S RAGE 128 version 6.60-010926m-1885C-AMI, with 32 Mb Ram. This is an AGP board. The driver is from ATI, version 6.13.3279.0, dated 9/26/01.

 

[Gary Burton]

There are some real horror stories out there. I frankly think most of them only occur because Windows is such a convoluted illogical nightmare. The basic architecture is flawed. e.g. the registry. I'm not an expert, but I hear from people who use Apple and Linux operating systems that problems like this are rare. QNX is a virtually perfect O/S, but is supported by a very limited number of applications. Unfortunately we get stuck with Windows because we have to exist in a Windows culture. People who manage with the other O/S's are very dedicated and put a lot of time into it. I don't have that kind of time, but I also don't have time to deal with all the problems Windows causes me. Some day, I hope to make the conversion to a better O/S.
I will add that if MS didn't supply device drivers for MFG's then each time a newer than OS computer needed to be installed one would have to have a standard set of devices to fall back on.

a PS2 keyboard, and mouse, a standard VGA video, the onboard standard IDE.
You would have to install the OS, then upgrade each device to the new one, lastly geting your network device in place, then create you own net connection, go to each MFG site and get newer drivers. What a nightmare that would be.

Microsoft products aren't any different.
I have the MS wireless elite keyboard and wireless intellimouse explorer 2.0.

The driver did not exit on XP with SP1 or Sp2.
You have to install with a PS2 keyboard, install the driver and software, shutdown and change keyboards.
When the new driver and software came out, it was one of the worst installs I have seen in a long time.
It installed the new version in a sub folder 5.2 vs. 5.1.
That's fine, but then it went back and updated all of 5.1 to be identical. 5.1 had some help files and some other file so it says to clcik to save in folders on your desktop orf lose them. It took me a hour to undue the mess and get one folder with everything in it, then repeat it on a second machine. So just image what it would be like to have 3 or 4 wireless devices, an SATA RAID add-on, an ATA100 controller, a couiple of USB hubs, 2 NIC's, a zip, a tape backup, a dvd writer, and a new multipurpose HP printer.

Ity would take a month to get a word processor going.

SJ
I have 2 machines. On both machines, I installed SP2; then had to uninstall SP2 because of conflicts with my video drivers. In the process both machines were left with residual problems due to SP2 residue left in. Both machines work better than they did with SP2 installed, but not nearly as well as they did with SP1, before I made the "upgrade". I'm operating in a very inconvenient way now. Each system has different quirks that seem to be related to the video card. Therefore I am anxious to get the updated drivers, re-install SP2, and thereby (hopefully) fix the residual problems. Incidentally, the drivers for both machines are listed in the device manager as being digitally signed by Microsoft. I suppose that means that they came with either the WinXP package or with SP1.

I have not yet been able to find video drivers (ones listed as compatible with SP2) for either machine. One video card is about 3 years old, and it may never be an updated driver for SP2. I know I can buy new video cards, but I can't afford to buy new hardware whenever MS decides to issue a service pack.

Both of the video cards I use are reasonably common. Can I expect Microsoft to take this seriously and come out with a revision to SP2 in a reasonable time? What is the best strategy for me to follow?

My main question is general, and has already been asked. However, it would be a nice bonus if anyone happens to have specific information regarding the specific video drivers I am using:
* One computer uses a Video card: Diamond Viper V550, Version 1.95E4904, with 8Mb Ram. This is a PCI card. Video Driver: NVIDIA RIVA TNT version 2.9.5.8. dated 7/2/01
* The other machine use a GigaByte AG32S RAGE 128 version 6.60-010926m-1885C-AMI, with 32 Mb Ram. This is an AGP board. The driver is from ATI, version 6.13.3279.0, dated 9/26/01.

 

[Paul Heslop]

You have that choice to keep older hardware - but along with it comes the
choice to stay away from newer software/OS updates that will require newer
more advanced hardware. Blind loyalty works both ways. 8)

Not a choice when you buy a new machine which comes with a nice
sticker telling you it has the nice new operating system inside, just
a few days after it came out and before everyone started really
complaining about it.

I did get used to xp and grew to like a lot of it, then got a new
machine with SP1 already installed and it was still finicky, though
not as much so as the original.