Why do we still need SP2?

M

mm

AIUI, MS worked it out so that everything in XP SP1 was in SP2 also,
so there's no need to use SP1 anymore.

How come they didnt' do the same thing with SP3, so there would be no
need to use SP2?

(I know you're not mind readers, but does anyone have a guess?)
 
B

Bruce Hagen

mm said:
AIUI, MS worked it out so that everything in XP SP1 was in SP2 also,
so there's no need to use SP1 anymore.

How come they didnt' do the same thing with SP3, so there would be no
need to use SP2?

(I know you're not mind readers, but does anyone have a guess?)


SP2 is included in SP3. You /can/ upgrade from SP1 to SP3.
 
D

Daave

Bruce said:
SP2 is included in SP3. You /can/ upgrade from SP1 to SP3.

Perhaps "mm" was wondering about XP Gold. If that's the case, you
/cannot/ upgrade from *Gold* to SP3 directly. One must upgrade to either
SP1 or SP2, first. But yes, if you are at SP1, a direct upgrade to SP3
is possible.

And since SP3 does include everything previous to it, including SP1
*and* SP2, I also wonder why Microsoft wasn't able to figure out how to
allow users to upgrade form Gold to SP3 directly.
 
M

mm

Perhaps "mm" was wondering about XP Gold. If that's the case, you

Actually, I didn't even know there was an XP Gold.

Maybe I should have said that I have XP Home, but it was also intended
to be sort of a generic question.
/cannot/ upgrade from *Gold* to SP3 directly. One must upgrade to either
SP1 or SP2, first. But yes, if you are at SP1, a direct upgrade to SP3
is possible.

And since SP3 does include everything previous to it, including SP1
*and* SP2, I also wonder why Microsoft wasn't able to figure out how to
allow users to upgrade form Gold to SP3 directly.

And you can't go from XP Home to SP3 directly either, I guess. Right?
 
B

Bruce Hagen

mm said:
Actually, I didn't even know there was an XP Gold.

Maybe I should have said that I have XP Home, but it was also intended
to be sort of a generic question.


And you can't go from XP Home to SP3 directly either, I guess. Right?


XP Home or Pro, you need at least SP1 installed to go to SP3.
 
P

PA Bear [MS MVP]

If WinXP Gold (no Service Packs) is installed, you can install SP2 and then
SP3.

If WinXP SP1 is installed, you can skip SP2 and just install SP3.

NB: Computers running WinXP SP2 will NOT be offered any further critical
security updates, Automatic Updates will cease to function, and Windows
Update website will not be available after 10 July 2010 until SP3 is
installed.

HOW TO get a computer running WinXP Gold (no Service Packs) fully patched
(after a clean install)
http://groups.google.com/group/microsoft.public.windowsupdate/msg/3f5afa8ed33e121c

HOW TO get a computer running WinXP SP1(a) or SP2 fully patched (after a
clean install)
http://groups.google.com/group/microsoft.public.windowsxp.general/msg/a066ae41add7dd2b
--
~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Client - since 2002
www.banthecheck.com

mm wrote:
 
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Shenan Stanley

mm said:
AIUI, MS worked it out so that everything in XP SP1 was in SP2 also,
so there's no need to use SP1 anymore.

How come they didnt' do the same thing with SP3, so there would be
no need to use SP2?

(I know you're not mind readers, but does anyone have a guess?)

I read through this conversation, and here is my take...

Windows XP was originally released without service packs (naturally) -
sometimes referred to as "Gold",some call it "RTM" (Released to
Manufacturing.) Then Service Pack 1 (SP1), Service Pack 1a (SP1a) soon
after (Java related, no real other differences), Service Pack 2 (SP2) and
finally Service Pack 3 (SP3.) Each SP was/is cumulative.

It's true - you can take a fully installed and operating Windows XP RTM (no
SPs) and install SP1, SP1a or SP2 without doing anything else. You cannot
install SP3 onto the same install without first installing SP1/1a or SP2.

However you can take a Windows XP RTM CD and integrate SP3 straight onto the
media and use that to now install (clean or upgrade depending on licensing)
Windows XP with SP3 straight off (you could even integrate many of the
Post-SP3 updates and go even farther.)

Never really cared about the reasoning about why a functioning Windows XP
install must be SP1/1a or SP2 before you can install SP3. Thought it was
weird, but since integration of the service packs have always been easy in
Windows XP - the situation just never came up - as soon as I could get the
full release of SP3, all my media was SP3 integrated. So that's my base
install.

Don't know if that really answered your question - as I read the whole
conversation and the statement you made last, "And you can't go from XP Home
to SP3 directly either, I guess. Right?"; says a lot about what you know
(don't know may be more accurate) about the service packs, editions of
Windows XP, etc.

Windows XP 32-bit (Home Edition, Professional Edition, Tablet PC Edition,
Media Center Edition(s)) all have the same service packs (SP1/1a, SP2 and
SP3.) Windows XP Professional x64 Edition is the oddball - it only ever got
to SP2, as it seems more based off the server side than consumer side of
things.

Windows XP (Home Edition, Professional Edition, Tablet PC Edition, Media
Center Edition(s)) 32-bit is explained above. If you install Windows XP
32-bit (any of the editions mentioned) and it has SP1/1a or above already -
you can go straight to SP3. If it does not have SP1/1a or above already
installed, you would have to install either SP1/1a or SP2 before you could
install SP3.

However, if you do a few of such installs a year - you would greatly benefit
from the simplistic integration capabilities of the service packs and simple
burning of new media to do your installations with. It would speed up your
installations immensely and you do end up with what I would call a cleaner
product to start with. In fact - if you integrate as many of the Post-SP3
patches as possible - a very clean install indeed.

As far as the SPs being cumulative...

List of fixes in Windows XP Service Pack 1 and Windows XP Service Pack 1a
http://support.microsoft.com/?kb/324720
(More than 310 updates/patches)

List of fixes included in Windows XP Service Pack 2
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/811113
(More than 820 updates/patches + everything in SP1a)

List of fixes that are included in Windows XP Service Pack 3
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/946480/
(More than 1130 updates/patches + everything in SP2, which means
everything in SP1a as well.)

Some have trouble finding the downloads for SP1a, SP2 and SP3 they might
need...

Windows XP SP1a for IT Professionals (it works for anyone really)
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?familyid=83E4E879-FA3A-48BF-ADE5-023443E29D78

Windows XP SP2 for IT Professionals (it works for anyone really)
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?familyid=049C9DBE-3B8E-4F30-8245-9E368D3CDB5A

Windows XP Service Pack 3 - ISO-9660 CD Image File
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=2fcde6ce-b5fb-4488-8c50-fe22559d164e

Windows XP Service Pack 3 Network Installation Package for
IT Professionals and Developers (it works for anyone really)
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?familyid=5B33B5A8-5E76-401F-BE08-1E1555D4F3D4

Hope that makes sense, clears some things up for you and gets you the
answer(s) you were seeking.
 
D

Daave

mm said:
Actually, I didn't even know there was an XP Gold.

The term "XP Gold" is used when there are *no* service packs at all.
(That is, XP *prior* to SP1.) It has nothing at all to do with they type
of XP (Home, Pro, etc.).
Maybe I should have said that I have XP Home, but it was also intended
to be sort of a generic question.


And you can't go from XP Home to SP3 directly either, I guess. Right?

Home, Pro, Media Center Edition, etc. -- none of these matter. All of
these types of XP can be at any Service Pack level (including "gold" --
[or none]).

So you may go from XP Home SP1 to SP3 directly.

However, you may not go from XP Home Gold to SP3 directly. You would
need to first go to either SP1 or SP2. And I'd like to know why
Microsoft couldn't come up with a method to go from Gold to SP3
directly, too.

I hope that clears things up. :)
 
K

Ken Blake, MVP

Actually, I didn't even know there was an XP Gold.


"XP Gold" is simply the term that some people use for the original
release of XP. What Daave means is XP without any service packs.
 
M

mm

I read through this conversation, and here is my take...

Windows XP was originally released without service packs (naturally) -
sometimes referred to as "Gold",some call it "RTM" (Released to
Manufacturing.)

Thank you for explaining this. This is something new I've learned
that will probably be useful many times.
Then Service Pack 1 (SP1), Service Pack 1a (SP1a) soon
after (Java related, no real other differences), Service Pack 2 (SP2) and
finally Service Pack 3 (SP3.) Each SP was/is cumulative.

It's true - you can take a fully installed and operating Windows XP RTM (no
SPs) and install SP1, SP1a or SP2 without doing anything else. You cannot
install SP3 onto the same install without first installing SP1/1a or SP2.

However you can take a Windows XP RTM CD and integrate SP3 straight onto the
media and use that to now install (clean or upgrade depending on licensing)
Windows XP with SP3 straight off (you could even integrate many of the
Post-SP3 updates and go even farther.)

So are you saying that if you integrate, you don't have to first
integrate SP1 or 2 to the RTM and then do SP3? You can just do SP3?
Never really cared about the reasoning about why a functioning Windows XP
install must be SP1/1a or SP2 before you can install SP3. Thought it was
weird, but since integration of the service packs have always been easy in
Windows XP -

That's what brought these questions to my mind. I've put further
down my description of the problems I had trying at least 6 complete
times to integrate the service packs** in order to make an
installation CD to install XP and the service packs at the same time.

Nothing I read worked, and I'd given up but was still thinking about
the topic and now I may have come up with my own method, but it
depends on details about the integration that I'm not certain about.
I use the -e option for xpsp2 (and iirc also for xp gold) and extract
all the files into directory structures that, by the design of
Windows, match each other.

Then I copy all the SP2 files to the XP RTM files, replacing any one
for which there is a file in SP2***. If I call the integrated folders
F, Then I do the same thing with SP3, integrating it onto F. Then I
plan to make a bootable CD out of that using one set of slipstreaming
instuctions.

***I do this in a DOS box. (I think maybe one can use the COPY
command, and use /Z to force it to overwrite a file without asking if
I want it too. I think even more likely I could use XCOPY with the
/Y parameter to overwrite without asking, and /R to overwrite
read-only files.) But I know I can use the 3rd party program
XXCOPY with the /CLONE paramenter which does a file-by-file copy and
copies everything no matter what, and with the /Z0 parameter which
prevents anything from being deleted from the destination folder (or
drive).

So my question is, Is there something I don't understand about
integration that is causing me to think my method will work, when it
won't??

For a while yesterday, I thought that maybe .cab or .ca_ files in sp2
could have more files within them than did the same-named .cab file in
SP3, so that replacing the .cab file from SP2 with one from SP3 would
mean in practice not installing a file at all that would have already
been installed with SP1 or 2 if I had built the installation CD a file
at a time, instead of a .cab file at a time. Apparently that's not
actually a problem?

I thought yesterday that slipstream.exe did expand .cab files and
that's what made it better than my method.

So, if I have explained this clearly enough, were my worst thoughts
right? Or should my method also work?????

Is there some obstacle to my method that I haven't considered yet??



**Your're not the only one who says integrating the service packs is
easy, but i've tried 2 or 3 methods described on the net (2 of them
recommended on this ng, and another by googling, but even though there
are 3 descriptions, there are basically only two methods). I ran them
mostly on two different computers both win2000, and they never worked
for me. Not only did I try at least 6 complete times, but that only
counts the times it went to completion. I'm not counting the times I
made mistakes and had to start over. The first method used the file
update.exe, found deep in the directories of the SP, to do the
integration, and for me, it always ended with some sort of error
message. Then I learned about slipstream.exe and I tried that a few
times. It took a while to run the first half of the progress bar, but
the second half showed litte or no progress and then ended suddenly.
with the progress bar still barely more than half-way from the start.
When I looked at the files in the output directory, they all had the
original gold dates, 2001 and earlier, and none of the dates of SP2,
mostly in 2004, or SP2, 2006 iirc.

Eventually I concluded that slipsteam.exe was itself running
update.exe, the same program that woudln't work for me, or something
simimlar, because the final result was the same.
the situation just never came up - as soon as I could get the
full release of SP3, all my media was SP3 integrated. So that's my base
install.

Don't know if that really answered your question - as I read the whole

You definitely answered my priior post's questions. I hope you can
answer this one's. :)

Thanks a lot,

Mike


nothing snipped:
 
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Daave

mm said:
Thank you for explaining this. This is something new I've learned
that will probably be useful many times.


So are you saying that if you integrate, you don't have to first
integrate SP1 or 2 to the RTM and then do SP3? You can just do SP3?

Correct. See:

http://www.theeldergeek.com/slipstreamed_xpsp3_cd_final.htm

From that page:

"That is not to say you can't use a Gold Edition CD as the basis for a
slipstreamed CD. That is certainly possible, and it does install without
problems as far as I can tell, but you will have to enter the product
key during the installation procedure rather than have the option to
defer entering it until after installation is complete."
 
D

Daave

mm said:
**Your're not the only one who says integrating the service packs is
easy, but i've tried 2 or 3 methods described on the net (2 of them
recommended on this ng, and another by googling, but even though there
are 3 descriptions, there are basically only two methods). I ran them
mostly on two different computers both win2000, and they never worked
for me. Not only did I try at least 6 complete times, but that only
counts the times it went to completion. I'm not counting the times I
made mistakes and had to start over. The first method used the file
update.exe, found deep in the directories of the SP, to do the
integration, and for me, it always ended with some sort of error
message. Then I learned about slipstream.exe and I tried that a few
times. It took a while to run the first half of the progress bar, but
the second half showed litte or no progress and then ended suddenly.
with the progress bar still barely more than half-way from the start.
When I looked at the files in the output directory, they all had the
original gold dates, 2001 and earlier, and none of the dates of SP2,
mostly in 2004, or SP2, 2006 iirc.

Eventually I concluded that slipsteam.exe was itself running
update.exe, the same program that woudln't work for me, or something
simimlar, because the final result was the same.

The method here has always worked for me:

http://www.tacktech.com:80/display.cfm?ttid=295

Perhaps you need to use a PC what has XP installed///

Also, which source CD are you using: plain vanilla XP installation CD or
a branded one (like Dell)?
 
M

mm


Thanks for this. I've done a lot of reading about slipstream, but
didn't come across this one. And it deals with SP3 and other stuff I
want to know.

And the guy did all the testing I would like to do. Actually, I
wasn't going to do anywhere near what he did. I only planned to
compare the contents of .CAB files from Gold to SP2 to SP3, to see if
the file names inside are all the same from one to the next**, and I
was only going to do it until I got tired twice, but now I don't even
have to do that. Thanks a lot.
From that page:

"That is not to say you can't use a Gold Edition CD as the basis for a
slipstreamed CD. That is certainly possible, and it does install without
problems as far as I can tell, but you will have to enter the product
key during the installation procedure rather than have the option to
defer entering it until after installation is complete."

That's certainly not a big difference or a big problem.

In the previous paragraph he says: " It still holds true with SP3 but
with a caveat. One of the changes in SP3 involves Windows Product
Activation and being able to perform a full, integrated installation
of Windows XP SP3 without providing the product key during the
installation. This is true, but only if you use Windows XP SP1 or
Windows XP SP2 as the basis for the slipstreamed CD. It does not hold
true when you use a Gold Edition CD as has always been my practice in
previous slipstreaming tutorials."

I wonder if I know the reason for the difference. After I used my
own method of making a maybe-it-will-work-slipstreaming file, I went
through it looking for files from the gold version, from sp2, and from
sp3. There were still a lot of original files (dated 2001) and there
were a lot of sp3 files (based on the date being after 2004), but in
my less than totally thorough visual examination, I only found two
from 2004 and they both had sp2 in their name! I didn't look inside
them, because I don't have 4DOS or List installed on the win2000
computer, but one was named iirc sp2.exe (and there was also sp3.exe
right after it.) and the also other sp2 something. Maybe the presence
of those files, or their contents, means something and maybe that's
enough to make the installation postpone supplying the Product Key.
But frankly it seems like 6 of one, half a dozen of the other.




**Instead of Windows Explorer, I usually use PowerDesk 6, a free
program. If you put a zip or cab file in the left column, it shows
the files within it without your doing a thing. You can even open a
text file in an editor, without first extracting it from the zip file
(although you can't update it)***

***PowerDesk is available now from other than the company that wrote
it, and the second company messed me up twice, the only vendor which
ever did, so I don't plan to buy their paid version. The free version
is great however
 
M

mm

Correct. See:

http://www.theeldergeek.com/slipstreamed_xpsp3_cd_final.htm

From that page:

"That is not to say you can't use a Gold Edition CD as the basis for a
slipstreamed CD. That is certainly possible, and it does install without
problems as far as I can tell, but you will have to enter the product
key during the installation procedure rather than have the option to
defer entering it until after installation is complete."
Answer 2. :)

Further down he says "The command for updating the windows share (
C:\XP-SP3\i386\Update\Update.exe -S:C:\XP ) doesn't have to be
modified." That refers to the update.exe which I described as deep
within the SP directories. Okay, so it's not that deep, sue me. But I
sort of figured something this important would be at the root level.

And this is the file that never works for me. I can't imagine why,
although you suggest why in your second answer to me, and I'll reply
there.

Well, he uses Start/Run, and I did everything in a DOS box. AFAIK
start/run and a dos box are the same, right? But I'll probably try
start/run just to be sure. I already have all the input files ready.
 
M

mm

The method here has always worked for me:

http://www.tacktech.com:80/display.cfm?ttid=295

I've looked at this, but I have to look some more and decide if I've
done this or not. I think I have, back in July or August, but I don't
remember any messages using the word "integration". I know I never
got any message that said anything had completed succesfully. :)
Perhaps you need to use a PC what has XP installed///

That's a good idea. I did think of that and asked about it months ago
and was assured by someone that I didn't. And I know that
slipstream.exe is recommended for 2000 also.

Furthermore, I don't think it does anything so complicated. OTOH, I
tried and I know it won't work on win98SE and I can't imagine it's
doing anything more complicated than can be done in 98SE.

Strangely, I know few people with WinXP**.
Also, which source CD are you using: plain vanilla XP installation CD or
a branded one (like Dell)?

Plain vanilla, Microsoft only, bought retail, with Program Key etc.
and which registered fine.



**One close friend still has 2000, one uses a Mac, one lives 40 miles
away, and one ex-girlfriend who I talk to 4 times a week doesn't like
it when I do anything for myself on her machine. Even though I help
her with her own computer problems at times. It's sort of annoying.
:)

And one uses a Netbook. No CD drive, but I guess I can put everything
on my flashdrive and she's generous and will let me use her computer.
But I'm the one who set it and her router up for her and I meant that
as a gift, and don't want it to seem like I did it so she would do
favors for me. This is someone I only see every 6 months, when we're
both invited to the same party, when her father dies, or when I fix
her computer.
 
M

mm

http://www.theeldergeek.com/slipstreamed_xpsp3_cd_final.htm

From that page:

"That is not to say you can't use a Gold Edition CD as the basis for a
slipstreamed CD. That is certainly possible, and it does install without
problems as far as I can tell, but you will have to enter the product
key during the installation procedure rather than have the option to
defer entering it until after installation is complete."

BTW, one of the reasons for slipstreaming is to avoid this
possibility:

"If you are sure you have explored all other troubleshooting avenues,
then proceed with the repair install.

If you get a warning message: "Setup cannot continue because the
version of Windows on your computer is newer than the version on the
CD."

You get this message when you use a pre-SP 1, SP2 XP CD on an XP
installation that has been updated to SP1, SP2.

You have the options listed below.

1. Remove the SP 1, SP2 update if the option is available from
Add/Remove.
2. Create a slipstreamed XP CD merging the SP1 or SP2 update.
2a Autostreamer for creating a slipstreamed CD the easy way.
3. Purchase an XP CD with SP2 included."

http://michaelstevenstech.com/XPrepairinstall.htm#RI
 
S

Shenan Stanley

<snipped>
Very comprehensive Shenan,

One query:
"integrate as many of the Post-SP3 patches as possible - a very
clean install indeed."

Could you expand a bit please, I think? I follow how to make the
install up to and including SP3, but the other (later) patches,
where do I get and how do I include them?
As an aside but probably in my last question, can I include IE7 in
the CD rather than IE6?

Many people utilize tools like AutoStreamer or nLite to intgrate/slipstream
updates into the installation media. nLite (I believe) has a way/hack that
'integrates' Internet Explorer 7 - but to be honest, _I_ would not do that.

Getting the updates - that is fairly simple.

One way...

You can see the critical (security and other) patches released for a given
month using the following:

http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/bulletin/ms##-***.mspx

At the end of this line you see "ms##-***.mspx" .. If you simply replace ##
with the two-digit year and the *** with the three character month
abbreviation, you will see the list of "critical" and "important" patches
for that month (since it only happens once a month usually, if you check by
the second Tuesday (wait until afternoon) of each month - you should be
fine) - note that future months will not work - although they may have an
"Advance Notification for" in place when the actual time approaches.

Example:

November 2009
http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/bulletin/ms09-nov.mspx


Another way...

Windows Updates Downloader
http://www.windowsupdatesdownloader.com/


Another way...

Security updates are available on ISO-9660 DVD5 image files from the
Microsoft Download Center
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/913086


The second is truly the easiest for most people. Most of the updates you
can get have an /integrate switch. Pretty much the same way you do the
service packs.

Although many people use the nlite/autostreamer and other similar tools - I
stick with the original.

Copy the installation CD files to a directory on a Windows XP system (I
prefer doing the integration on a working system of the same version,
although it is not usually necessary...) - preferably a short path like
"C:\WinXP". Downloading the full latest service pack and the patches I want
to integrate using one of the methods above and putting them all into a
different (but short as well) path like "C:\XPPatch" - no sub-directories.

Integrating the service pack first - in this case, given what I have, the
command would be:

"C:\XPPatch\WindowsXP-KB936929-SP3-x86-ENU.exe" /integrate:C:\WinXP

and after some time, it would be done.

Then I would integrate the other patches that I could. There would be
*quite a few* updates, so I could either do them one-by-one using this
command with the appropriate substitutions...

"C:\XPPatch\WindowsXP-KB??????-x86-enu.exe" /integrate:C:\WinXP

Or I could create a batch script to run through and do them for me:

<start batch script here - copy below this line>

set sourcedir=C:\WinXP
set patchdir=C:\XPPatch

for %%U in (%patchdir%\WindowsXP-KB??????-x86-enu.exe) DO (
if not exist %svcpackdir%\%%U (
@ECHO Now integrating %%U . . .
@ECHO.
start /wait %%U /integrate:%sourcedir%
)
)

@ECHO Windows XP Updates Integrated into your Installation Media.
@ECHO Burn your new media.
<end batch script here - copy above this line>

And running that would integrate the majority of the available patches and
automatically integrate them - only pausing for me to click OK on each of
the patches "Success" or "Failure" messages. You could make it silent with
a little modification.

The reason it cannot get them all is that some patches do not integrate and
some do not use the same naming scheme (although you could rename them so
they do...)

I then use BBIE (Bart's Boot Image Extractor) to take the 'boot image' off
the original Windows XP CD and save it to a file so I can burn a bootable
Windows XP CD with the integrations I have made. Depending on what CD
burning software or ISO creation software you use - the instructions can
differ a bit here... This part is important when burning to CD: Set Load
segment of sectors (hex) to 0000 and set Number of loaded sectors to 4. Or
at least that is something I always remember.

That's just the way I have done it - even though I have used the other
methods, I find that one the most reliable.

That help?
 
S

Shenan Stanley

mm said:
Thank you for explaining this. This is something new I've learned
that will probably be useful many times.

So are you saying that if you integrate, you don't have to first
integrate SP1 or 2 to the RTM and then do SP3? You can just do SP3?

Nothing I read worked, and I'd given up but was still thinking about
the topic and now I may have come up with my own method, but it
depends on details about the integration that I'm not certain about.
I use the -e option for xpsp2 (and iirc also for xp gold) and
extract all the files into directory structures that, by the design
of Windows, match each other.

Then I copy all the SP2 files to the XP RTM files, replacing any one
for which there is a file in SP2***. If I call the integrated
folders F, Then I do the same thing with SP3, integrating it onto
F. Then I plan to make a bootable CD out of that using one set of
slipstreaming instuctions.

***I do this in a DOS box. (I think maybe one can use the COPY
command, and use /Z to force it to overwrite a file without asking
if I want it too. I think even more likely I could use XCOPY with
the /Y parameter to overwrite without asking, and /R to overwrite
read-only files.) But I know I can use the 3rd party program
XXCOPY with the /CLONE paramenter which does a file-by-file copy and
copies everything no matter what, and with the /Z0 parameter which
prevents anything from being deleted from the destination folder (or
drive).

So my question is, Is there something I don't understand about
integration that is causing me to think my method will work, when it
won't??

For a while yesterday, I thought that maybe .cab or .ca_ files in
sp2 could have more files within them than did the same-named .cab
file in SP3, so that replacing the .cab file from SP2 with one from
SP3 would mean in practice not installing a file at all that would
have already been installed with SP1 or 2 if I had built the
installation CD a file at a time, instead of a .cab file at a time.
Apparently that's not actually a problem?

I thought yesterday that slipstream.exe did expand .cab files and
that's what made it better than my method.

So, if I have explained this clearly enough, were my worst thoughts
right? Or should my method also work?????

Is there some obstacle to my method that I haven't considered yet??

**Your're not the only one who says integrating the service packs is
easy, but i've tried 2 or 3 methods described on the net (2 of them
recommended on this ng, and another by googling, but even though
there are 3 descriptions, there are basically only two methods). I
ran them mostly on two different computers both win2000, and they
never worked for me. Not only did I try at least 6 complete times,
but that only counts the times it went to completion. I'm not
counting the times I made mistakes and had to start over. The
first method used the file update.exe, found deep in the
directories of the SP, to do the integration, and for me, it always
ended with some sort of error message. Then I learned about
slipstream.exe and I tried that a few times. It took a while to run
the first half of the progress bar, but the second half showed
litte or no progress and then ended suddenly. with the progress bar
still barely more than half-way from the start. When I looked at
the files in the output directory, they all had the original gold
dates, 2001 and earlier, and none of the dates of SP2, mostly in
2004, or SP2, 2006 iirc.

Eventually I concluded that slipsteam.exe was itself running
update.exe, the same program that woudln't work for me, or something
simimlar, because the final result was the same.

You definitely answered my priior post's questions. I hope you can
answer this one's. :)

Yes - you can integrate SP3 directly.

Many people utilize tools like AutoStreamer or nLite to intgrate/slipstream
updates into the installation media. nLite (I believe) has a way/hack that
'integrates' Internet Explorer 7 - but to be honest, _I_ would not do that.

Getting the updates - that is fairly simple.

One way...

You can see the critical (security and other) patches released for a given
month using the following:

http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/bulletin/ms##-***.mspx

At the end of this line you see "ms##-***.mspx" .. If you simply replace ##
with the two-digit year and the *** with the three character month
abbreviation, you will see the list of "critical" and "important" patches
for that month (since it only happens once a month usually, if you check by
the second Tuesday (wait until afternoon) of each month - you should be
fine) - note that future months will not work - although they may have an
"Advance Notification for" in place when the actual time approaches.

Example:

November 2009
http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/bulletin/ms09-nov.mspx


Another way...

Windows Updates Downloader
http://www.windowsupdatesdownloader.com/


Another way...

Security updates are available on ISO-9660 DVD5 image files from the
Microsoft Download Center
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/913086


The second is truly the easiest for most people. Most of the updates you
can get have an /integrate switch. Pretty much the same way you do the
service packs.

Although many people use the nlite/autostreamer and other similar tools - I
stick with the original.

Copy the installation CD files to a directory on a Windows XP system (I
prefer doing the integration on a working system of the same version,
although it is not usually necessary...) - preferably a short path like
"C:\WinXP". Downloading the full latest service pack and the patches I want
to integrate using one of the methods above and putting them all into a
different (but short as well) path like "C:\XPPatch" - no sub-directories.

Integrating the service pack first - in this case, given what I have, the
command would be:

"C:\XPPatch\WindowsXP-KB936929-SP3-x86-ENU.exe" /integrate:C:\WinXP

and after some time, it would be done.

Then I would integrate the other patches that I could. There would be
*quite a few* updates, so I could either do them one-by-one using this
command with the appropriate substitutions...

"C:\XPPatch\WindowsXP-KB??????-x86-enu.exe" /integrate:C:\WinXP

Or I could create a batch script to run through and do them for me:

<start batch script here - copy below this line>

set sourcedir=C:\WinXP
set patchdir=C:\XPPatch

for %%U in (%patchdir%\WindowsXP-KB??????-x86-enu.exe) DO (
if not exist %svcpackdir%\%%U (
@ECHO Now integrating %%U . . .
@ECHO.
start /wait %%U /integrate:%sourcedir%
)
)

@ECHO Windows XP Updates Integrated into your Installation Media.
@ECHO Burn your new media.
<end batch script here - copy above this line>

And running that would integrate the majority of the available patches and
automatically integrate them - only pausing for me to click OK on each of
the patches "Success" or "Failure" messages. You could make it silent with
a little modification.

The reason it cannot get them all is that some patches do not integrate and
some do not use the same naming scheme (although you could rename them so
they do...)

I then use BBIE (Bart's Boot Image Extractor) to take the 'boot image' off
the original Windows XP CD and save it to a file so I can burn a bootable
Windows XP CD with the integrations I have made. Depending on what CD
burning software or ISO creation software you use - the instructions can
differ a bit here... This part is important when burning to CD: Set Load
segment of sectors (hex) to 0000 and set Number of loaded sectors to 4. Or
at least that is something I always remember.

That's just the way I have done it - even though I have used the other
methods, I find that one the most reliable.

That help?
 
S

Shenan Stanley

<snipped>

JacobH wrote:
One further query, did you post the same reply to 2 different
threads? Took me ages to find my post in this thread, I was reading
the other one!

I posted it twice in response to this conversation as a whole:
http://groups.google.com/group/micr...p.general/browse_frm/thread/90b72ecb02829708/

And I posted to someone who had also later asked the same question here they
had asked me elsewhere about all of this ("mm"):
http://groups.google.com/group/micr...p.general/browse_frm/thread/c20571d87a750b27/

I did it because often the same answer will clarify something for multiple
people, but if you don't respond to them directly with more than a link -
not everyone will go look at the link and just think you did not answer
their question - not to mentiomn the more times the same answer is out
there - the more likely someone doing an Internet search will come across it
early on and solve whatever issue it was they were having.
 

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