Whose ready for SP1?

[boe]

I'll admit vista is a bit better than it was while in beta form but I can't
believe they released it - I think the box should have a big label that says
"AS IS" or let the buyer beware.

I wasn't expecting it to be perfect but some of the issues are SO major,
there is no way this should have been released to the public yet.


2 major issues I'm having -
just about any Sony laptop that comes with Vista preinstalled - gives a
crash in explorer when moving files. These aren't some units I went crazy
and installed a bunch of beta stuff on, about the only things I did was
install Office 2007 and changed the interface to classic, and folder view
etc. Not having it with any other systems I've installed Vista on but this
is a major issue. Cut and paste works but move doesn't! Not sure if I
blame Sony or MS for this one.

SLOW SLOW network access - I've tried the patches and commands - it still
bites. How could no one at MS have noticed this? I find that an unlikely
scenario. Networking is not one of those things that is an afterthought in
an OS anymore - this is as important as explorer or plug and play. I'm
doing and apples to apples comparison - identical machines (but tested on
different models - not just one - this is a fair test with a sizable pool)
all with industry standard network cards (mostly intel and broadcom), hard
drives (western digital and seagate), controllers, etc. Using UNMANAGED
gigabit switches - no iphelper or anything to mess them up. I'm getting at
least 4 times the transfer if not significantly more on the XP machines - XP
to XP, XP to servers. vs. Vista to XP and Vista to 2003 servers - all items
patches, all drivers updated etc.


I could list a ton of other items but explorer and networking are far too
major to say - oh well, it is a new OS. I would think that in 5 years of
development someone might have said - hey maybe we should see if these work
right.


As for why didn't I report it in beta - I did report it but I wasn't an
authorized beta tester even though I signed up so I could try and catch
these items before my clients went out and bought a swiss cheese product
from microsoft.

 

[Larry Maturo]

Hi,

I have a Sony VGN-AX570G laptotp that came with MS Media Edition. I did a
clean install of Vista Home
Premium to it, and it works fine. I haven't had any of the problems you
have. I did install the two Vista
drivers Sony supplied. I'm waiting on Sony to supply a driver for the
television tuner that swaps for the
DVD in a bay, but everything else works great.

My guesss is your problem is releated to Sony drivers. Have you gone to the
Sony site to see if they have
updated drivers for your laptop?

-- Larry Maturo

 

[Dave Mokeler]

Hi,

I just purchased a new computer, a HP Pavilion, with Vista Premium and have
had no trouble at all. The os seems very stable, no crashes. As for the
network I connect to my home network via Belkin Wireless adapter and it
connected just fine, easier than xp actually and seems faster too.

Dave

 

[boe]

Yes I checked but unlike you, I didn't do a clean install - normally I would
but the client is extremely cheap and I get paid by the hour. Good to know
that it is a Sony issue though.

 

[ray]

I'll admit vista is a bit better than it was while in beta form but I can't
believe they released it - I think the box should have a big label that says
"AS IS" or let the buyer beware.

I wasn't expecting it to be perfect but some of the issues are SO major,
there is no way this should have been released to the public yet.


2 major issues I'm having -
just about any Sony laptop that comes with Vista preinstalled - gives a
crash in explorer when moving files. These aren't some units I went crazy
and installed a bunch of beta stuff on, about the only things I did was
install Office 2007 and changed the interface to classic, and folder view
etc. Not having it with any other systems I've installed Vista on but this
is a major issue. Cut and paste works but move doesn't! Not sure if I
blame Sony or MS for this one.

SLOW SLOW network access - I've tried the patches and commands - it still
bites. How could no one at MS have noticed this? I find that an unlikely
scenario. Networking is not one of those things that is an afterthought in
an OS anymore - this is as important as explorer or plug and play. I'm
doing and apples to apples comparison - identical machines (but tested on
different models - not just one - this is a fair test with a sizable pool)
all with industry standard network cards (mostly intel and broadcom), hard
drives (western digital and seagate), controllers, etc. Using UNMANAGED
gigabit switches - no iphelper or anything to mess them up. I'm getting at
least 4 times the transfer if not significantly more on the XP machines - XP
to XP, XP to servers. vs. Vista to XP and Vista to 2003 servers - all items
patches, all drivers updated etc.


I could list a ton of other items but explorer and networking are far too
major to say - oh well, it is a new OS. I would think that in 5 years of
development someone might have said - hey maybe we should see if these work
right.


As for why didn't I report it in beta - I did report it but I wasn't an
authorized beta tester even though I signed up so I could try and catch
these items before my clients went out and bought a swiss cheese product
from microsoft.

Do you remember win98-sp2 and xp-sp1? Why would you expect a different
result?

 

[boe]

I'm not saying it can't connect but the transfer speeds are a fraction of
what they are with XP - this already has been posted many times over with IT
professionals on networks running tests - not a fluke or one in a million
issue - it is a documented issue.

 

[boe]

Actually - I have to admit - good experiences for me -
Windows for Workgroups 3.11
Windows 95
Windows 2000

Were they perfect - absolutely not but for the most part I was able to roll
them out quickly without any drawback for most clients provided they weren't
using any home grown apps. I just think Vista is a bitter dissappointment
compared to other OSes from MS. I honestly didn't expect perfection. I
did expect glitches, but I would have to say after using it steady for about
a month now it is pretty dissappointing.

I do understand your point though.

 

[Julie Smith]

During the beta, i remember reading so many complaints about vista's
performance. The strange thing was, and what most didn't pick up on, was
that performance was related to drivers. As soon as nvidia/ati released
updated drivers to vista (usually at each release), everyone saw a
performance increase. Of course, everyone was saying "vista is starting to
get better". The truth is, vista drivers were starting to get better.

Most complaints in this newsgroup about vista's stability is related to
driver issues.

I have two PCs, one my main pc, the other a media centre. I've always had
minor issues on my main PC. A good example is that of my nforce4 ethernet
port. As you'll see around the forums on the net, everyone has problems with
it. Vista stability or driver stability? You know that one.

Now, my media centre pc, it would blue screen on a consistent basis. I
investigated more (unlike most on this newsgroup who go straight to writing
hate posts, flaming). Found that the graphics card was in IRQ conflict with
my tv tuner. That fixed, its as stable as a rock on the ground.

Moral of the story, people who have problems have hardware/driver problems
and should find out why. I think people forget the launch of Windows 2000
and how its driver support was low at first. Vista will pick up in the next
6months. Complaints will go away. Of course, you'll always have the trolls
complaining about its price.

More related to the subject heading, SP1 will bring forward those stable
drivers so that... again... everyone will think, "wow, SP1 fixed all the
bugs and stability issues".

 

[Shane Nokes]

Weird you should mention that.

It sounds like an issue with the network card drivers to me.

My XPS410 from Dell transfers at a full 2-3MB (yes MB not Mb, Mb is 16-24)
on internet based downloads and in house networking is faster. Now when I
had one machine still running XP sometimes it would be slower for in house
networking, but once I upgraded to Vista as well poof, faster transfers.

 

[boe]

Let me know how well it does in a domain transfering to a file server. And
yes, I'm talking about a 2003 file server with all the patches.

 

[Shane Nokes]

On the network here unfortunately I do not have a 2003 File Server setup

I do all of my hosting through another company.

When I get my business back up and running full time that I will have my own
server running again. So long story short, I have no way of testing that
one scenario

 

[ray]

Actually - I have to admit - good experiences for me -
Windows for Workgroups 3.11

Exactly. Not windows 3.0.

Windows 95
Windows 2000

That and NT 4.0 have probably been major exceptions.

 

[Adam Leinss]

Actually - I have to admit - good experiences for me -
Windows for Workgroups 3.11
Windows 95
Windows 2000

I still have a soft spot for Windows 2000 and I think that is the best
operating system to come out of Redmond. Rock solid, no frills, no
thrills, yet it's Plug-n-Play compatible and it looks good (that 3D shadow
on the mouse cursor still amazes me). The thing with Windows XP and Vista
is they have "dumbed down" the interface and added unnecessary software.
It's harder for an IT professional to get to the settings he needs to.
Take Windows Defender in Windows Vista: don't want or need it. Why can't I
easily remove this program? I had to poke around and disable it in local
group policy.

Neither do I need a performance program (WinSAT), neither do I need a map
of my computer connecting to the Internet or stars in my file manager
rating my files. Incidently, who decided it was a good idea to remove the
time stamp of files from Windows explorer? Of course you can put it back
in, but still?

In terms of copying files: Vista is pokey vs. Windows XP/2000. I think it
relates to the fact that it calculates the time it will take for the whole
copy to take place and this really seems to slow things down. I was in the
beta program and wasn't the only one that noticed this.

Adam