Which XP Pro To Buy

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Winston

I get mired in the discussions about XP Pro OEM, retail, etc.
I have no OS disks nor do I have a recovery partition for my current
system (Don't ask).
I'm going to build a new system and keep the old one too. I will have to
buy an OS. I prefer XP Pro.
Exactly which version of XP Pro /w SP2 should I purchase ?????
 
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Dave B.

That's up to you, if you want support from Microsoft purchase the Full
retail version as your doing a new install. If you think you can get by
using these groups and the web for support, purchase the cheaper OEM
version, but keep in mind that per the license, it cannot be transferred to
another PC if the original dies.
 
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Ian D

Exactly which version of XP Pro /w SP2 should I purchase ?????If you have a Win98 or Win2000 CD you can use the retail upgrade
version of XP Pro. Just don't lose the old OS disk in case of future
reinstalls. If you're building a dual or quad core system to the
latest specs with a good quality motherboard, (no plans to upgrade
for a few years), the OEM version should suffice. Don't activate
until just before the end of the 30 day grace period to be sure all
components are stable.
 
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Dave B.

I fail to see how a "dual or quad core system" would be more suited to an
OEM version than your first suggestion of the retail upgrade, which would
work just as well. The key factors are what type of support he wants and if
he wants the ability to transfer the license in the future, they type of
machine is not really relevant.

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Ken Blake

Dave said:
That's up to you, if you want support from Microsoft purchase the Full
retail version as your doing a new install.


As far as I'm concerned, a Full retail version is a waste of money. The
Upgrade version is much cheaper, contains exactly the same software, and,
despite what many people think, *can* do a clean installation, as long as
you have a CD of a previous qualifying version to show it when prompted.

If you don't have a previous qualifying version, you can buy a used copy of
Windows 98 very cheaply on eBay. The combination of that and an Upgrade copy
of Windows XP is still much cheaper than the Full version.

If you think you can get
by using these groups and the web for support, purchase the cheaper
OEM version, but keep in mind that per the license, it cannot be
transferred to another PC if the original dies.


For that reason, and because an Upgrade version is about the same price, I
think the Upgrade version is a much better buy. I almost always recommend
against an OEM version.
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Ken Blake

Winston said:
I get mired in the discussions about XP Pro OEM, retail, etc.
I have no OS disks nor do I have a recovery partition for my current
system (Don't ask).
I'm going to build a new system and keep the old one too. I will
have to buy an OS. I prefer XP Pro.
Exactly which version of XP Pro /w SP2 should I purchase ?????


I've already answered your question in my reply to Dave B., but I wanted to
ask why you prefer Pro to Home.

Are aware that XP Professional and XP Home are exactly the same in all
respects, except that Professional has a few features (mostly related to
networking and security) missing from Home? For most (but not all) home
users, even those with a home network, these features aren't needed, would
never be used, and buying Professional instead of Home is a waste of money.

For details go to

http://www.winsupersite.com/showcase/windowsxp_home_pro.asp

http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/whichxp.asp

http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/home/howtobuy/choosing2.asp

Also note that Professional allows ten concurrent network connections, and
Home only five.
 
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Ian D

Dave B. said:
I fail to see how a "dual or quad core system" would be more suited to an
OEM version than your first suggestion of the retail upgrade, which would
work just as well. The key factors are what type of support he wants and if
he wants the ability to transfer the license in the future, they type of
machine is not really relevant.
I was more talking about a future proofed system that he would probably
keep for a few years. Maybe by that time Vista will be improved, or
replaced. And there is the 120 day activation database expiry, although
I don't know if that applies to OEM versions.
 
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Winston

I fail to see how a "dual or quad core system" would be more suited to an
OEM version than your first suggestion of the retail upgrade, which would
work just as well. The key factors are what type of support he wants and if
he wants the ability to transfer the license in the future, they type of
machine is not really relevant.

I cannot envision any situation where I would need MS support. At least I've
not needed it from early DOS through XP Pro.
Actually, I plan to upgrade a Win98 machine that currently has a Celeron 400
chip. i may get a new AM2 Mobo with the built-in AMD vid, some X2 chip,
and new memory and another HD OR I may go with an Intel Core2Duo setup.
Haven't firmed up my decision yet.
 
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Dave B.

I would agree, but his statement of "I have no OS disks" led me to suggest
what I did, some would rather not take the risk of eBay purchasing and want
a full version so they don't need to deal with the hassles.

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Ken Blake

Dave said:
I would agree, but his statement of "I have no OS disks" led me to
suggest what I did, some would rather not take the risk of eBay
purchasing


I agree about the risks of eBay purchasing. But in the this case, a used
copy of Windows 98 is cheap enough that I wouldn't worry about it.

and want a full version so they don't need to deal with
the hassles.


Hassles? I don't think an Upgrade version presents any hassles at all.

--
Ken Blake - Microsoft MVP Windows: Shell/User
Please reply to the newsgroup


 
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Dave B.

I would agree with that as well, but some would consider having to keep a
second OS disk, and the brief delay of swapping media a hassle, and with as
many "I lost my XP disk" posts as we see on here, keeping track of
installation/upgrade media can be a significant task for some ;)

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Bruce Chambers

Winston said:
I get mired in the discussions about XP Pro OEM, retail, etc.
I have no OS disks nor do I have a recovery partition for my current
system (Don't ask).
I'm going to build a new system and keep the old one too. I will have to
buy an OS. I prefer XP Pro.
Exactly which version of XP Pro /w SP2 should I purchase ?????


Personally, I'd buy the retail license.

There are some very important reasons that an OEM license costs so
much less than a retail license. OEM licenses are very limited:

1) OEM versions must be sold with a piece of non-peripheral
hardware (normally a motherboard or hard drive, if not an entire PC,
although Microsoft has greatly relaxed the hardware criteria for WinXP)
and are _permanently_ bound to the first PC on which they are installed.
An OEM license, once installed, is not legally transferable to another
computer under any circumstances. This is the main reason some people
avoid OEM versions; if the PC dies or is otherwise disposed of (even
stolen), you cannot re-use your OEM license on a new PC. The only
legitimate way to transfer the ownership of an OEM license is to
transfer ownership of the entire PC.

2) Microsoft provides no free support for OEM versions. If you
have any problems that require outside assistance, your only recourse is
to contact the manufacturer/builder of the PC or the vendor of the OEM
license. This would include such issues as lost a Product Key or
replacing damaged installation media. (Microsoft does make allowances
for those instances when you can prove that the OEM has gone out of
business.) This doesn't mean that you can't download patches and
service packs from Microsoft -- just no free telephone or email support
for problems with the OS.

3) An OEM CD cannot be used to perform an upgrade of an earlier
OS, as it was designed to be installed _only_ upon an empty hard drive.
It can still be used to perform a repair installation (a.k.a. an
in-place upgrade) of an existing WinXP installation.

4) If the OEM CD was designed by a specific manufacturer, such as
eMachines, Sony, Dell, Gateway, etc., it will most likely only install
on the same brand of PC, as an additional anti-piracy feature. Further,
such CDs are severely customized to contain only the minimum of device
drivers, and a lot of extra nonsense, that the manufacturer feels
necessary for the specific model of PC for which the CD was designed. To
be honest, such CDs should _not_ be available on the open market; but,
if you're shopping someplace on-line like eBay, swap meets, or computer
fairs, there's often no telling what you're buying until it's too late.
The "generic" OEM CDs, such as are manufactured by Microsoft and sold
to small systems builders, don't have this particular problem, though,
and are pretty much the same as their retail counterparts, apart from
the licensing, support, and upgrading restrictions.


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Bruce Chambers

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Daave

Winston said:
Actually, I plan to upgrade a Win98 machine that currently has a
Celeron 400 chip. i may get a new AM2 Mobo with the built-in AMD
vid, some X2 chip, and new memory and another HD OR I may go with
an Intel Core2Duo setup. Haven't firmed up my decision yet.

If you're going through all that bother (and presumably expense), why
not just purchase a whole PC (even if it's a used one)? I'm sure it
would be cheaper. And you may even get XP thrown in! :)
 
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Leythos

I get mired in the discussions about XP Pro OEM, retail, etc.
I have no OS disks nor do I have a recovery partition for my current
system (Don't ask).
I'm going to build a new system and keep the old one too. I will have to
buy an OS. I prefer XP Pro.
Exactly which version of XP Pro /w SP2 should I purchase ?????

Since OEM and Retail offer the same functions the only consideration is
if you are Upgrading to vista later.

With OEM there is no upgrade path if I understand the OEM license
structure, with Retail or other licensing you can purchase the Upgrade
version of Vista and continue on....

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Leythos
- Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum.
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drug dealer an "unlicensed pharmacist"
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Bruce Chambers

Leythos said:
With OEM there is no upgrade path if I understand the OEM license
structure, ....


An OEM license works just fine as a qualifying OS for an Upgrade; What
you're most likely thinking of is the fact that an OEM CD cannot, by
design, perform an upgrade from an earlier OS.


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Bruce Chambers

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