which printer/fax/copier?

[Andrew Hamilton]

"Lucky" for me, my old fax machine stopped working at the same time as
my old Canon S520 inkjet printer. So I guess this is an "opportunity"
to buy a combination system, or AIO.

What functionality do I lose if I keep this AIO on a network USB
printer server? I used to keep my inkjet printer on a USB print
server, so that it was easily accessible from any system on my home
network.

Or would I be better off with a combination machine that has
networking built in? Cost is a concern. A quick trip to the local
store showed me that a non-networked AIO would cost say $100 ~ $150,
but a networked AIO would be over $300.

Once I have that issue figured out, what brands or models are
recommended / not recommended? Aside from the needs above, "nice to
have" includes the ability to print on photo papers and ability to
print directly onto a CD-R.

Also, since I tend to keep things a long time, I want to buy only a
machine that is supported for Vista. I may not switch to Vista for 2
years or more, but I'll probably keep this machine for at least 5
years.

Thanks all

-Andy

 

[Elmo P. Shagnasty]

"Lucky" for me, my old fax machine stopped working at the same time as
my old Canon S520 inkjet printer. So I guess this is an "opportunity"
to buy a combination system, or AIO.

What functionality do I lose if I keep this AIO on a network USB
printer server? I used to keep my inkjet printer on a USB print
server, so that it was easily accessible from any system on my home
network.

Or would I be better off with a combination machine that has
networking built in?
Absolutely.



Cost is a concern. A quick trip to the local
store showed me that a non-networked AIO would cost say $100 ~ $150,
but a networked AIO would be over $300.

You can find the Brother 7820N for less if you're patient and shop
around.

There is nothing like it. They do this right. Network scan to
anything, software that works, etc.

 

[measekite]

You do not want a Multi Function Device on a network. You really cannot
use a scanner that way since you need to be at the scanner to use it.
So it might be best to get a Canon IP4300 printer for around $60.00 when
on sale with rebate. You can also get Fax software and a Fax modem if
you need that functionality. If you need a scanner than place it at a
location where everyone can use it.

 

[measekite]

Elmo P. Shagnasty wrote:

"Lucky" for me, my old fax machine stopped working at the same time as my old Canon S520 inkjet printer. So I guess this is an "opportunity" to buy a combination system, or AIO. What functionality do I lose if I keep this AIO on a network USB printer server? I used to keep my inkjet printer on a USB print server, so that it was easily accessible from any system on my home network. Or would I be better off with a combination machine that has networking built in?



Absolutely.



Cost is a concern. A quick trip to the local store showed me that a non-networked AIO would cost say $100 ~ $150, but a networked AIO would be over $300.



You can find the Brother 7820N for less if you're patient and shop around. There is nothing like it. They do this right. Network scan to anything, software that works, etc.


Network scan does not work on a network per say.  You cannot sit at your workstation with a network attached scanner down the hall and place something in the scanner remotely unless your arms are 50 feet long.  That said Brother is not a very good brand.

 

[Andrew Hamilton]

You do not want a Multi Function Device on a network. You really cannot
use a scanner that way since you need to be at the scanner to use it.
So it might be best to get a Canon IP4300 printer for around $60.00 when
on sale with rebate. You can also get Fax software and a Fax modem if
you need that functionality. If you need a scanner than place it at a
location where everyone can use it.

Hey, thanks for the advice, but I guess I need to explain a bit more.

This is for a home office setup. The "main" office has two PCs plus
the shared laser printer plus the now defunct inkjet printer and fax
machine. So the new AIO would go into this office, so that the
scanner will be easily accessed by all the users (me, my wife).

There are two other systems in other rooms of the house. Those users
(us sometimes, the kids) can always go upstairs to scan. But the kids
hardly ever scan anything. Anyway, that home office also has a
flatbed scanner attached to one of the PCs, so a networked scanner
would be more convenient to use.

Also, I don't want to have a fax receiver running on any PC. And I
often have to fax a document with a signature or a doc that did not
originate as a PC document. If this AIO I get also works as a fax
modem for my PC, so I can fax right out of my PC, so much the better,
but I want to keep things "simple."

So the question is, CAN I scan from the network through a print
server?

AH

 

[Bob F.]

Elmo P. Shagnasty wrote:
"Lucky" for me, my old fax machine stopped working at the same time as
my old Canon S520 inkjet printer. So I guess this is an "opportunity"
to buy a combination system, or AIO.

What functionality do I lose if I keep this AIO on a network USB
printer server? I used to keep my inkjet printer on a USB print
server, so that it was easily accessible from any system on my home
network.

Or would I be better off with a combination machine that has
networking built in?


Absolutely.




Cost is a concern. A quick trip to the local
store showed me that a non-networked AIO would cost say $100 ~ $150,
but a networked AIO would be over $300.


You can find the Brother 7820N for less if you're patient and shop
around.

There is nothing like it. They do this right. Network scan to
anything, software that works, etc.


Network scan does not work on a network per say. You cannot sit at your
workstation with a network attached scanner down the hall and place
something in the scanner remotely unless your arms are 50 feet long. That
said Brother is not a very good brand
----------------
The AIO model for scanning worked perfectly for me. I used to have USB
scanners between computers in the same room but now I have an AIO device
between three computers in the same room and it works great. I think this
is a common model. As long as things stay in arms reach or a "chair roll"
away, you're ok.

Bob

 

[measekite]

Andrew Hamilton wrote:

On Tue, 12 Jun 2007 08:27:46 -0700, measekite <[email protected]> wrote:



You do not want a Multi Function Device on a network. You really cannot use a scanner that way since you need to be at the scanner to use it. So it might be best to get a Canon IP4300 printer for around $60.00 when on sale with rebate. You can also get Fax software and a Fax modem if you need that functionality. If you need a scanner than place it at a location where everyone can use it.



Hey, thanks for the advice, but I guess I need to explain a bit more. This is for a home office setup. The "main" office has two PCs plus the shared laser printer plus the now defunct inkjet printer and fax machine. So the new AIO would go into this office, so that the scanner will be easily accessed by all the users (me, my wife). There are two other systems in other rooms of the house. Those users (us sometimes, the kids) can always go upstairs to scan. But the kids hardly ever scan anything. Anyway, that home office also has a flatbed scanner attached to one of the PCs, so a networked scanner would be more convenient to use. Also, I don't want to have a fax receiver running on any PC. And I often have to fax a document with a signature or a doc that did not originate as a PC document. If this AIO I get also works as a fax modem for my PC, so I can fax right out of my PC, so much the better, but I want to keep things "simple." So the question is, CAN I scan from the network through a print server?


You should but it might be slower.  Canon probably makes the best MFD around with the best inkjet if you do photos as well.  Otherwise look at the business end of HP MFDs.  The text might be better.  But keep in mind that the Epson scanner is probably preferred.


AH



Andrew Hamilton wrote:



"Lucky" for me, my old fax machine stopped working at the same time as my old Canon S520 inkjet printer. So I guess this is an "opportunity" to buy a combination system, or AIO. What functionality do I lose if I keep this AIO on a network USB printer server? I used to keep my inkjet printer on a USB print server, so that it was easily accessible from any system on my home network. Or would I be better off with a combination machine that has networking built in? Cost is a concern. A quick trip to the local store showed me that a non-networked AIO would cost say $100 ~ $150, but a networked AIO would be over $300. Once I have that issue figured out, what brands or models are recommended / not recommended? Aside from the needs above, "nice to have" includes the ability to print on photo papers and ability to print directly onto a CD-R. Also, since I tend to keep things a long time, I want to buy only a machine that is supported for Vista. I may not switch to Vista for 2 years or more, but I'll probably keep this machine for at least 5 years. Thanks all -Andy

 

[Elmo P. Shagnasty]

You do not want a Multi Function Device on a network. You really cannot
use a scanner that way since you need to be at the scanner to use it.

You clearly have NO experience in this whatsoever.

 

[measekite]

Elmo P. Shagnasty wrote:

You do not want a Multi Function Device on a network. You really cannot use a scanner that way since you need to be at the scanner to use it.



You clearly have NO experience in this whatsoever.


You clearly do not understand networks.

 

[Elmo P. Shagnasty]

<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN">
<html>
<head>
<meta content="text/html;charset=ISO-8859-1" http-equiv="Content-Type">
</head>
<body bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000">
<br>
<br>
Elmo P. Shagnasty wrote:
<blockquote
cite="mid:[email protected]"
type="cite">
<pre wrap="">In article <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
href="mailto:[email protected]">&lt;SXybi.614$vi5
(e-mail address removed)&gt;</a>,
measekite <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
href="mailto:[email protected]">&lt;[email protected]&gt;</a> wrote:

</pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap="">You do not want a Multi Function Device on a network. You
really cannot
use a scanner that way since you need to be at the scanner to use it.
</pre>
</blockquote>
<pre wrap=""><!---->
You clearly have NO experience in this whatsoever.
</pre>
</blockquote>
<br>
You clearly do not understand networks.<br>
</body>
</html>

Like I said, you CLEARLY have no experience in this whatsoever.

I understand networks better than you understand wiping your nose. I
also have more experience with network-connected scanners than you have
with being ignorant. I know that sounds like bragging, but it's true.

So tell us all, HTML-poster, what prevents you from "really using a
scanner over the network since you need to be at the scanner to use it".

Tell Canon, Xerox, HP, et al. all about it. Plainly they're selling
none of their network-scan-capable devices, and have given up on the
concept.

Not.

I can scan to my desktop or to email. I can walk up to my
network-connected Brother 7820N, choose where I want the scan to go,
load up the feeder, and press start.

What about this is impossible to use?

You're a flaming idiot.

 

[measekite]

Elmo P. Shagnasty wrote:

&lt;!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN"&gt; &lt;html&gt; &lt;head&gt; &lt;meta content="text/html;charset=ISO-8859-1" http-equiv="Content-Type"&gt; &lt;/head&gt; &lt;body bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000"&gt; &lt;br&gt; &lt;br&gt; Elmo P. Shagnasty wrote: &lt;blockquote cite="mid:[email protected]" type="cite"&gt; &lt;pre wrap=""&gt;In article &lt;a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:[email protected]"&gt;&amp;lt;SXybi.614$vi5 (e-mail address removed)&amp;gt;&lt;/a&gt;, measekite &lt;a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:[email protected]"&gt;&amp;lt;[email protected]&amp;gt;&lt;/a&gt; wrote: &lt;/pre&gt; &lt;blockquote type="cite"&gt; &lt;pre wrap=""&gt;You do not want a Multi Function Device on a network. You really cannot use a scanner that way since you need to be at the scanner to use it. &lt;/pre&gt; &lt;/blockquote&gt; &lt;pre wrap=""&gt;&lt;!----&gt; You clearly have NO experience in this whatsoever. &lt;/pre&gt; &lt;/blockquote&gt; &lt;br&gt; You clearly do not understand networks.&lt;br&gt; &lt;/body&gt; &lt;/html&gt;



Like I said, you CLEARLY have no experience in this whatsoever. I understand networks better than you understand wiping your nose. I also have more experience with network-connected scanners than you have with being ignorant. I know that sounds like bragging, but it's true. So tell us all, HTML-poster, what prevents you from "really using a scanner over the network since you need to be at the scanner to use it".


What is really funny is you do not know who you are talking to.


Tell Canon, Xerox, HP, et al. all about it. Plainly they're selling none of their network-scan-capable devices, and have given up on the concept. Not. I can scan to my desktop or to email.




I can walk up


There you go.&nbsp; The keyword.&nbsp; That is why networked scanners are not popular.&nbsp; You might as well have one printer for 10 people.


to my network-connected Brother 7820N, choose where I want the scan to go, load up the feeder, and press start. What about this is impossible to use? You're a flaming idiot.

Stop looking in the Omirror

 

[Andrew Hamilton]

You can find the Brother 7820N for less if you're patient and shop
around.

There is nothing like it. They do this right. Network scan to
anything, software that works, etc.


Network scan does not work on a network per say. You cannot sit at your
workstation with a network attached scanner down the hall and place
something in the scanner remotely unless your arms are 50 feet long. That
said Brother is not a very good brand
----------------
The AIO model for scanning worked perfectly for me. I used to have USB
scanners between computers in the same room but now I have an AIO device
between three computers in the same room and it works great. I think this
is a common model. As long as things stay in arms reach or a "chair roll"
away, you're ok.

Bob

Well, based on several postings, I did _not_ consider a Brother AIO. I
also consulted several review sites, which panned the output quality
of Brother printers.

Epson doesn't really have anything for me. So it came down to HP vs.
Canon, and I went with the Canon MP530 on the basis of various
reviews, user comments on various store sites, etc. I decided that
this wasn't going to be my high quality "photo printer," that comes
later on, so photo print speed wasn't an issue and I wasn't going to
spend an extra $70-80 for memory card support.

So I just ordered this printer from www.newegg.com. Almost the exact
same price as Amazon if you go for 3-day shipping, which I did because
I need this device right away.

Thanks for the comments. And yes, I'll have my two main systems
within a "chair roll" of the device.

AH

 

[Elmo P. Shagnasty]

There he goes with his HTML again, folks.

<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN">
<html>
<head>
<meta content="text/html;charset=ISO-8859-1" http-equiv="Content-Type">
<title></title>
</head>
<body bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000">
<br>
<br>
Elmo P. Shagnasty wrote:
<blockquote
cite="mid:[email protected]"
type="cite">
<pre wrap="">In article <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
href="mailto:[email protected]">&lt;B3Fbi.703$vi5
(e-mail address removed)&gt;</a>,
measekite <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
href="mailto:[email protected]">&lt;[email protected]&gt;</a> wrote:

</pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap="">&lt;!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01
Transitional//EN"&gt;
&lt;html&gt;
&lt;head&gt;
&lt;meta content="text/html;charset=ISO-8859-1"
http-equiv="Content-Type"&gt;
&lt;/head&gt;
&lt;body bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000"&gt;
&lt;br&gt;
&lt;br&gt;
Elmo P. Shagnasty wrote:
&lt;blockquote
cite=<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
href="mailto:mid:[email protected]">"mid:elm
(e-mail address removed)"</a>
type="cite"&gt;
&lt;pre wrap=""&gt;In article &lt;a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
href=<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
href="mailto:[email protected]">"mailto:SXybi.614
[email protected]"</a>&gt;&amp;lt;SXybi.614$vi5
(e-mail address removed)&amp;gt;&lt;/a&gt;,
measekite &lt;a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
href=<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
href="mailto:[email protected]">"mailto:[email protected]"</a>&gt;&amp;lt;i
(e-mail address removed)&amp;gt;&lt;/a&gt; wrote:

&lt;/pre&gt;
&lt;blockquote type="cite"&gt;
&lt;pre wrap=""&gt;You do not want a Multi Function Device on a network.
You
really cannot
use a scanner that way since you need to be at the scanner to use it.
&lt;/pre&gt;
&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;pre wrap=""&gt;&lt;!----&gt;
You clearly have NO experience in this whatsoever.
&lt;/pre&gt;
&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;br&gt;
You clearly do not understand networks.&lt;br&gt;
&lt;/body&gt;
&lt;/html&gt;
</pre>
</blockquote>
<pre wrap=""><!---->
Like I said, you CLEARLY have no experience in this whatsoever.

I understand networks better than you understand wiping your nose. I
also have more experience with network-connected scanners than you have
with being ignorant. I know that sounds like bragging, but it's true.

So tell us all, HTML-poster, what prevents you from "really using a
scanner over the network since you need to be at the scanner to use it".
</pre>
</blockquote>
<br>
What is really funny is you do not know who you are talking to.<br>
<blockquote
cite="mid:[email protected]"
type="cite">
<pre wrap="">
Tell Canon, Xerox, HP, et al. all about it. Plainly they're selling
none of their network-scan-capable devices, and have given up on the
concept.

Not.

I can scan to my desktop or to email. </pre>
</blockquote>
<br>
<blockquote
cite="mid:[email protected]"
type="cite">
<pre wrap="">I can walk up</pre>
</blockquote>
<br>
There you go.&nbsp; The keyword.&nbsp; That is why networked scanners are not
popular.&nbsp; You might as well have one printer for 10 people.<br>
<blockquote
cite="mid:[email protected]"
type="cite">
<pre wrap=""> to my
network-connected Brother 7820N, choose where I want the scan to go,
load up the feeder, and press start.

What about this is impossible to use?

You're a flaming idiot.
</pre>
</blockquote>
Stop looking in the Omirror<br>
</body>
</html>

 

[Phred]

There he goes with his HTML again, folks.

I find his behaviour interesting from a psychological POV. One would
think people contributing to USENET would expect (or at least hope)
someone would read their contributions -- so why do some of them (like
this bloke Mouse-something-or-other in the present example) go out of
their way to ensure most readers will simply skip over their words of
wisdom? I'm buggered if I can see the motivation for this sort of
perverted behaviour. Weird indeed! (But no doubt a post-grad
somewhere around the world is studying the phenomenon.

Cheers, Phred.

 

[measekite]

Phred wrote:

There he goes with his HTML again, folks.



I find his behaviour interesting from a psychological POV. One would think people contributing to USENET would expect (or at least hope) someone would read their contributions -- so why do some of them (like this bloke Mouse-something-or-other in the present example) go out of their way to ensure most readers will simply skip over their words of wisdom? I'm buggered if I can see the motivation for this sort of perverted behaviour. Weird indeed! (But no doubt a post-grad somewhere around the world is studying the phenomenon. Cheers, Phred.


Get a decent news reader. :-D :-*

 

[Elmo P. Shagnasty]

<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN">
<html>
<head>
<meta content="text/html;charset=ISO-8859-1" http-equiv="Content-Type">
</head>
<body bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000">
<br>
<br>
Phred wrote:
<blockquote cite="mid:[email protected]" type="cite">
<pre wrap="">In article <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
href="mailto:[email protected]">&lt;elmop-4
(e-mail address removed)&gt;</a>,
"Elmo P. Shagnasty" <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
href="mailto:[email protected]">&lt;[email protected]&gt;</a>
wrote:
</pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap="">There he goes with his HTML again, folks.
</pre>
</blockquote>
<pre wrap=""><!---->
I find his behaviour interesting from a psychological POV. One would
think people contributing to USENET would expect (or at least hope)
someone would read their contributions -- so why do some of them (like
this bloke Mouse-something-or-other in the present example) go out of
their way to ensure most readers will simply skip over their words of
wisdom? I'm buggered if I can see the motivation for this sort of
perverted behaviour. Weird indeed! (But no doubt a post-grad
somewhere around the world is studying the phenomenon.

Cheers, Phred.
</pre>
</blockquote>
<br>
Get a decent news reader.<span class="moz-smiley-s5"><span> :-D
</span></span><span
class="moz-smiley-s9"><span> :-* </span></span><br>
</body>
</html>

WTF are you spouting now?

No one can read that shit.

 

[measekite]

Posters who are not idiots do not have any problem.&nbsp; Only idiots have problems.

Are you having a problem???

=-O

Elmo P. Shagnasty wrote:

&lt;!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN"&gt; &lt;html&gt; &lt;head&gt; &lt;meta content="text/html;charset=ISO-8859-1" http-equiv="Content-Type"&gt; &lt;/head&gt; &lt;body bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000"&gt; &lt;br&gt; &lt;br&gt; Phred wrote: &lt;blockquote cite="mid:[email protected]" type="cite"&gt; &lt;pre wrap=""&gt;In article &lt;a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:[email protected]"&gt;&amp;lt;elmop-4 [email protected]&amp;gt;&lt;/a&gt;, "Elmo P. Shagnasty" &lt;a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:[email protected]"&gt;&amp;lt;[email protected]&amp;gt;&lt;/a&gt; wrote: &lt;/pre&gt; &lt;blockquote type="cite"&gt; &lt;pre wrap=""&gt;There he goes with his HTML again, folks. &lt;/pre&gt; &lt;/blockquote&gt; &lt;pre wrap=""&gt;&lt;!----&gt; I find his behaviour interesting from a psychological POV. One would think people contributing to USENET would expect (or at least hope) someone would read their contributions -- so why do some of them (like this bloke Mouse-something-or-other in the present example) go out of their way to ensure most readers will simply skip over their words of wisdom? I'm buggered if I can see the motivation for this sort of perverted behaviour. Weird indeed! (But no doubt a post-grad somewhere around the world is studying the phenomenon. Cheers, Phred. &lt;/pre&gt; &lt;/blockquote&gt; &lt;br&gt; Get a decent news reader.&lt;span class="moz-smiley-s5"&gt;&lt;span&gt; :-D &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="moz-smiley-s9"&gt;&lt;span&gt; :-* &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br&gt; &lt;/body&gt; &lt;/html&gt;



WTF are you spouting now? No one can read that shit.

 

[Frank]

WTF are you spouting now?

No one can read that shit.

It's only that piece of shit idiot moron loser meashershithead posting
in html.
He's so stupid he doesn't know what he's doing.
Never, ever take his advice. He doesn't even own a printer let alone a
brain.
Kill file his moronic ass and be done with him.
Frank