''What the President Ordered in This Case Was a Crime"

[mbmack]

Bravo, sir, bravo!

And as a democrat, I can just as easily say how disappointed I am in my
party. The 'do-nothing follow the leader' demo's. They never win because
a.) they always put up the worst candidates who pre-lose before even
running, and b.) they are career politicians just as the GOP are, and will
not rock their own self-interest boats anymore than they have to (i.e., when
caught).

While both parties surely have honest, dependable and true believers who
work hard to try and make the system work, as a whole both parties suck.

WHAT IS THE REAL ISSUE?

If you like the progression of American culture - crime, sexual
perversion (even by the Church), families raised by a village (the
government), institutionalized secularism as the national religion,
banana republic business ethics, local law enforcement preying on the
public, pathetic educational achievement at all levels, ravaging of the
military reputation with spurious allegations of widespread cruelty,
disenfranchising the military vote, Congressmen serving their own self
interests at our expense, class warfare as a political strategy, racial
preferences that deny your children their birthright, government
influence and interference in both state and local economies, abortion
at taxpayer expense as a form of birth control, unrestrained illegal
alien migration across U.S. borders, government spending and debt
accumulation at a reckless pace, government regulation that continues to
expand exponentially, American business’ fleeing overseas with American
jobs, gay and lesbian marriage, gambling, sports, drugs, STD, street
gangs, elimination of state’s rights, rampant sexual abuse of children,
cascading judicial legislation from the bench, elimination of private
property, oppressive taxation, and on and on - then your future should
be aligned politically and economically with the Democratic Party. You
are likely already a proud passenger on the liberal Democratic Socialist
Party bus en route your destination. It won’t be a long ride. Take
heart. You’re not far from your destination. If trends continue, you
won’t even have to pack a lunch.

 

[Al Klein]

Yeah well its "We the People" that voted him in!

No, he LOST the popular vote in his first bid. Did you forget that?
We, the people, DIDN'T vote him in, the USSC did.

I am a true American, I Love the USA, and relize I must give up some
freedom's' to have freedom!

You're saying that Ben Franklin, who disagreed with that, wasn't a
"true American"?

 

[Al Klein]

Maybe today's Americans just miss the experience to have lived under a
little dictator ?

We're getting that experience now. I don't think Bush's quip about it
being easier if this were a dictatorship was really a quip.

 

[Al Klein]

Like voting Bush into office...twice?? ;-)

He's only been voted into his current office once. Or were you
counting the governorship of Texas as the first time?

 

[Al Klein]

If you like the progression of American culture - crime, sexual
perversion (even by the Church), families raised by a village (the
government), institutionalized secularism as the national religion,
banana republic business ethics

Etc., etc., ad blah blah.

If you took the blindfold off you'd realize how silly you look,
blaming one side for the actions of the other, claiming the opposite
of reality ...

 

[*ProteanThread*]

which is *JAFR* why i never discuss politics ;-) *LOL*

 

[Margrave of Brandenburg]

What a pessimist! All you see are the bad things!

Every instance of bad/wrong/disreputable behavior that you mention in
your list does indeed exist. But they are as widespread as you suggest.

Yes, there's crime. Always has been. What else is new?

Yes, there's pathetic educational achievement at all levels. But there's
also excellent educational achievement at all levels.

Yes, Congressmen are serving their own self-interests. It can never be
otherwise. So get over it.

Many of the things you lambaste do, in fact, exist. But they're not
rampant. Gee, I see lots of people working hard at their jobs. Lots of
proper child raising (without sexual abuse). There are loads of reliable
law enforcement people (not just on-the-take cops).

Sure, there are problems (and always will be). But I don't agree with
your "we're doomed" outlook.

I agree with parts of what you say. But you'd do better by omitting
the hyperbole.

BTW, is this freeware?

 

[badgolferman]

BTW, is this freeware?

The discussion is free...

 

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The discussion is free...

You get what you pay for.

 

[mbmack]

Margrave of Brandenburg wrote:
If trends continue, you

What a pessimist! All you see are the bad things!

Every instance of bad/wrong/disreputable behavior that you mention in
your list does indeed exist. But they are as widespread as you suggest.

Yes, there's crime. Always has been. What else is new?

Yes, there's pathetic educational achievement at all levels. But there's
also excellent educational achievement at all levels.

Yes, Congressmen are serving their own self-interests. It can never be
otherwise. So get over it.

Many of the things you lambaste do, in fact, exist. But they're not
rampant. Gee, I see lots of people working hard at their jobs. Lots of
proper child raising (without sexual abuse). There are loads of reliable
law enforcement people (not just on-the-take cops).

Sure, there are problems (and always will be). But I don't agree with
your "we're doomed" outlook.

I agree with parts of what you say. But you'd do better by omitting
the hyperbole.

BTW, is this freeware?

I'm not a pessimist....like I said if trends continue.

 

[badgolferman]

Al Klein, 1/25/2006, 8:55:40 PM,

No, he LOST the popular vote in his first bid. Did you forget that?
We, the people, DIDN'T vote him in, the USSC did.

No, we the STATES voted him in. Popular votes are not what elect
Presidents, electoral votes do. Besides, if you want to use that lame
argument then you must also consider President Bush received the most
popular votes ever in the 2004 elections. Like it or not, he is YOUR
President if you are American. He is YOU as far as the rest of the
world is concerned.

 

[badgolferman]

Al Klein, 1/25/2006, 10:06:37 PM,

He's only been voted into his current office once. Or were you
counting the governorship of Texas as the first time?

Twice. Electoral votes count, not popular votes. The Founding Fathers
set it up that way on purpose.

 

[Al Klein]

Al Klein, 1/25/2006, 8:55:40 PM,

No, we the STATES voted him in.

States don't vote, people do.

President if you are American. He is YOU as far as the rest of the
world is concerned.

Then the rest of the world is as stupid as most Americans.

 

[Al Klein]

Al Klein, 1/25/2006, 10:06:37 PM,


Twice. Electoral votes count, not popular votes.

"voting Bush into office" is not "he was elected" - there's a
difference between who votes and who gets elected..

The Founding Fathers set it up that way on purpose.

A purpose that, for the most part, no longer exists.

 

[Bob Adkins]

I'm not a pessimist....like I said if trends continue.

You seem to be a thoughtful person. Think about this:

The American Republic will endure, until politicians realize they can bribe
the people with their own money. -=Alexis de Tocqueville=-

The only constitutional function of the Federal Government is national
defense. We should all vote for the people that promise to take the power
and money out of Washington and return it to the towns and counties.

 

[Al Klein]

I'm not a pessimist....like I said if trends continue.

They have. Take just one example - child abuse. Childrens'
protection services were started around WWII, it's not a recent
development. Everything else on the list is also many decades (at
least) old - some of it many centuries old. Read Aristotle.

 

[thunder7]

Quoteersonally, I'm not a Bush Hater. How can you hate someone who's
simply
in over his head? Rather, I reserve my antipathy for his brain-trust
and disregard for the minions who returned them to office.

LOL hahaha I am not a Bush hater, I just do not like a lot of things he
has done!.
But no I do not hate anyone!.

When i was living in Texas in 1986 he was gov, he wanted "All Texans"
to learn Spanish I thought in a America we spoke English.

I messed up my lower back had to go get food stamps,... the Lady at
Human Services was Mexican told me what do you need food stamps for
your white!.
Due, cause I can not woke and I am hungry, I worked for the benifits.

I was informed My govener Bush gave more benifits to those outside the
USA than those in the USA that is just wrong!.

Yes I am a Democrat.
Say what you want about Clinton but if you remember our natonal debt
was paid off Socail Security had a surplus stock market was at a "All
time High of 11,000+."

Bush comes into office we go back into debt, we loose the surplus in
Socail Security, and the Stock mark is doing the yo-yo effect.

Quote:9/11 may've changed the US but it sure has heck hasn't changed
the
Republican party which, since 1980, has done more to increase the size
of government, the size of its deficit spending and the level of
domestic spying than any Demo has.

Very True!.

Al Klein
What ever dude!.

I am a true American, I Love the USA, and relize I must give up some
freedom's' to have freedom!

You're saying that Ben Franklin, who disagreed with that, wasn't a
"true American"?

I do not remember saying anything about Ben Franklin he was Way-before
my time.
I only speak about the current events like Duh!.

 

[badgolferman]

Al Klein, 1/26/2006, 8:43:25 AM,

A purpose that, for the most part, no longer exists.

If that was so then a candidate would promise everything to California,
New York, Texas, Florida and 1-2 more states. He would forsake all the
rest and be elected by a select few states. The Founding Fathers
prevented that elitism by making all the states count.

 

[dszady]

Al Klein, 1/26/2006, 8:43:25 AM,


If that was so then a candidate would promise everything to California,
New York, Texas, Florida and 1-2 more states. He would forsake all the
rest and be elected by a select few states. The Founding Fathers
prevented that elitism by making all the states count.

<http://www.archives.gov/federal-register/electoral-college/faq.html#popularelectoral>

 

[badgolferman]

dszady, 1/26/2006, 10:58:12 AM,

<http://www.archives.gov/federal-register/electoral-college/faq.html#p
opularelectoral>

Thanks for proving my point.