What should go into C: partition?

J

Jeff

For example...you can put your Common Files folder on another
partition.

How exactly do you do that? Does just dragging the folder to the other
partition make files find it automatically?

Actually I am really interested in moving the "My Documents" folder to the
data partition but am not sure how to do it so XP finds it there.

Thanks
 
T

Trent©

How exactly do you do that? Does just dragging the folder to the other
partition make files find it automatically?

Actually I am really interested in moving the "My Documents" folder to the
data partition but am not sure how to do it so XP finds it there.

Thanks

Get TweakUI...go into My Computer there...and change the default
location.

Since Tweak simply works on the registry, I'd guess it can be changed
directly...but I don't know how to do it that way.

Be advised: Major headaches can occur occasionally when you try
this...so make sure you have a clone to restore from.

Good luck.


Have a nice one...

Trent

Budweiser: Helping ugly people have sex since 1876!
 
J

J. S. Pack

Placing data files on a partition or physical hard drive separate
from the operating system and applications can greatly simplify system
repairs/recoveries and data back-up. I'd use a slower drive only for
data storage.

The "My Documents" folder is for data. Just put all your data in there.
Then back it up as often as needed to your backup drive. You may wish to
extend the backup to Documents and Settings/User.

Having an extra partition complicates, not simplifies, the backup because
data will then spread over both partitions.
There's very little point, however, in having a separate partition
for just applications and/or games. Should you have to reinstall the
OS, you'll also have to reinstall each and every application and game
anyway, in order to recreate the hundreds (possibly thousands) of
registry entries and to replace the dozens (possibly hundreds) of
essential system files back into the appropriate Windows folders and
sub-folders.


Exactly.
 
R

Rock

Jeff said:
How exactly do you do that? Does just dragging the folder to the other
partition make files find it automatically?

Actually I am really interested in moving the "My Documents" folder to the
data partition but am not sure how to do it so XP finds it there.

Thanks

Download and install TweakUI, one of the MS powertoys available here:
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/pro/downloads/powertoys.asp

In the My Computer section of TweakUI under Special folders, click the
drop down arrow, highlight My Documents, and click on change location.
 
S

see.cher

Just right click on the my documents desktop icon and change the
target folder.

cher
 
S

see.cher

Not if you ghost the image.
that is the key. if none of the data resides on the C partition then
is it a piece of cake to ghost the system back. at worst you have to
reinstall a few apps since the last ghosting. the apps will ususlly
retain any configurations so you won't have to go thru all that
either. Some data will have to be backed up off the C partition
because some programmers make life difficult.
 
J

J. S. Pack

Not if you ghost the image.
that is the key. if none of the data resides on the C partition then
is it a piece of cake to ghost the system back.

But, you see, you'd never wish to ghost only the system back. If the system
is unstable, you'd System Restore, boot to Last Good, restore yesterday's
registry backup you made with ERUNT, run an sfc, or, in the worst case,
repair reinstall.

What backups really anticipate is the inevitable day when your hard drive
fails. This is the situation to which Bruce refers below.

On that day, YOU can ghost your system (C:) back to your new hard drive,
true. Trouble is, you had perversely moved your programs to
D:\Applications and--worst of all--your data to E:\Data, both of which no
longer exist. In this case, a ghosted system image would be so much worse
than an install--because, as Bruce says, its registry would be filled with
orphans--that it would be useless.

On the other hand, if all the programs and all the data reside on C: as
well, then it's just as much a piece of cake to ghost the entire system
back *with all the programs and all the data* intact. Perfect.

Otherwise, you need an image of the entire drive containing the multiple
partitions, or you need images of each partition (simultaneous would be
optimal) to be restored to new partitions.

You CAN needlessly complicate things, but WHY?
at worst you have to
reinstall a few apps since the last ghosting.

No. At worst your hard drive has failed and you'd have to reinstall
everything including the OS, since your little image of Drive C: is now
useless. The company database is gone, the wedding pics are gone, maybe
even your job and your marriage as well :).

Call it a disaster.
the apps will ususlly
retain any configurations so you won't have to go thru all that
either.

Configurations can change dynamically, so you can't stay in synch. And then
there's the question of where each configuration resides, exactly, which
would have to be determined (if at all) for each particular app AND for
each user account.

WHAT a waste of time.
Some data will have to be backed up off the C partition
because some programmers make life difficult.

From the C partition is where data is most easily and conveniently backed
up and nothing could be simpler than doing so.

If you can image C: without its program files and data, then--in *exactly*
the same way, without the need of a single additional keystroke--you can
image C: *with* its programs and data. And that way you can restore it ALL
perfectly when the time comes.

To make backups difficult (and restores potentially impossible), you'd have
to go to some real effort. You'd have to create separate partitions and
then continually force bits of programs to reside on some and data on
others and not even know for sure what bits remain on the C: partition.
Make a royal mess, in other words.

Some wise programmers also created the convenient Documents and Settings
directory for user data where it can also be separately backed up as
desired with the greatest of ease by simple copying.

Rather than programmers, it's clearly the hobbyists who, for reasons known
only to themselves, make their own lives difficult by moving stuff off the
C partition.
 
A

arnie

Really, thou protesteth too much. I posed the original questions (see
first post), have now partitioned and reorganized the files on my new
drive, and am very pleased with the setup. The whole point for me is a
quicker way to restore a crashed XP install. Of course, hard drives
fail. That's why I keep backups of essential files offsite. (Oh, BTW,
System Restore is a feeble substitute for an image backup.)

arnie
 
A

Alex Nichol

arnie said:
(Oh, BTW,
System Restore is a feeble substitute for an image backup.)

Comment there. It is not intended as any kind of backup. Its purpose
is as a means of unwinding changes to the system over a period of a few
days. Examples; if you play around with adjusting settings and screw
up, you can go back to just as they were. If you try out a program and
decide to uninstall it, SR will then restore other things that had got
disturbed - like restoring file associations to the former software.
Useful over may be two or three weeks, not more, but for that purpose
very useful indeed
 
G

Guydpb

Totally and completely disagree. See my thread XP 2x. Most of the tim
at one or another moment something is likely to happen with your OS an
then you've lost all your precious data. My opinion is at least tw
partitions: one with the OS and another with the data files. If your O
fails you can always reinstall it on this partition without touching th
files on the other one. But yes for some people losing their data is no
that important.
 
K

Ken Blake

In
Guydpb said:
Totally and completely disagree. See my thread XP 2x. Most of
the time
at one or another moment something is likely to happen with
your OS
and then you've lost all your precious data. My opinion is at
least
two partitions: one with the OS and another with the data
files. If
your OS fails you can always reinstall it on this partition
without
touching the files on the other one. But yes for some people
losing
their data is not that important.


I'm not arguing against having multiple partitions here, but I
strongly disagree with your reason for having them.

The implication of what you suggest is that, since your data is
isolated and protected on the second partition, there's no need
to backup that data. But in fact, keeping your data on a second
partition is no substitute for backup. Data on a second partition
is still subject to a hard drive crash, user error, nearby
lightning strike, virus attack, even theft of the computer, any
of which can cause the loss of everything on your drive. As has
often been said, it's not a matter of whether you will have such
a problem, but when.

If you value your data, backing it up regularly is crucial. And
if you back it up regularly, your rationale for having two
partitions vanishes. Even with a single partition, you can always
reinstall the operating system *and* easily restore your data
from the backup.

There are sometimes very good reasons for having multiple
partitions, but this isn't one of them.
 
J

J. S. Pack

In


I'm not arguing against having multiple partitions here, but I
strongly disagree with your reason for having them.

The implication of what you suggest is that, since your data is
isolated and protected on the second partition, there's no need
to backup that data. But in fact, keeping your data on a second
partition is no substitute for backup. Data on a second partition
is still subject to a hard drive crash, user error, nearby
lightning strike, virus attack, even theft of the computer, any
of which can cause the loss of everything on your drive. As has
often been said, it's not a matter of whether you will have such
a problem, but when.

If you value your data, backing it up regularly is crucial. And
if you back it up regularly, your rationale for having two
partitions vanishes. Even with a single partition, you can always
reinstall the operating system *and* easily restore your data
from the backup.

There are sometimes very good reasons for having multiple
partitions, but this isn't one of them.


Exactly. Well said!
 
G

Guest

Hi ... I like to use up to 10gb on the c drive for windows ... Its easier to
perform scan disk and disc defragment ... Everything else goes onto my other
drive which is around 150gb ... Now i also have an external hard drive which
i use to back up all my important data and programs ... So what i normally do
is every 3 or 4 months i would wipe the drive that is 150gb clean and
reinstall my programs and data ,its very easy to do ... Now if i ever happen
to have problems with windows i would reformat the whole system and redo it
all over again , remember though having an external drive helps big time and
you can take it with you where ever you might be ...
 
R

Rock

Steelbottom said:
Hi ... I like to use up to 10gb on the c drive for windows ... Its easier to
perform scan disk and disc defragment ... Everything else goes onto my other
drive which is around 150gb ... Now i also have an external hard drive which
i use to back up all my important data and programs ... So what i normally do
is every 3 or 4 months i would wipe the drive that is 150gb clean and
reinstall my programs and data ,its very easy to do ... Now if i ever happen
to have problems with windows i would reformat the whole system and redo it
all over again , remember though having an external drive helps big time and
you can take it with you where ever you might be ...

Why would you want to reinstall every few months? Do drive image right
after a reinstall and then restore from that.
 
G

Guest

Why would i want to paid for a third party program to do such a thing ? Its
very easy just to install my external hard drive and copy and paste my data
and programs back onto my computer ... It doesn't take that much time to do
so , Yeah i know if i had a drive image software it would be quicker , but
then i would have to paid for this program , correct ? Or is there any free
version that would create a drive image ?
 
R

Rock

Steelbottom said:
Why would i want to paid for a third party program to do such a thing ? Its
very easy just to install my external hard drive and copy and paste my data
and programs back onto my computer ... It doesn't take that much time to do
so , Yeah i know if i had a drive image software it would be quicker , but
then i would have to paid for this program , correct ? Or is there any free
version that would create a drive image ?

What's your time worth? Pry open that wallet. Besides this issue it
still is unclear why you feel the need to reinstall everything every few
months.
 

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