What is the best defragmenter?

[Rod Speed]

It can depending upon the system and how it is used.

Sorry, but it can and does make a difference in some situations.

I used the word MOST for a reason.

I have a partition that I use for downloads so it becomes highly
fragmented after a while. When trying to watch a video on that
partition there can often be problems due to delays in getting data
off the disk. Taking the time to defragment the drive (or copying the
file to another non-fragmented partition) will resolve the issues.

I used the word MOST for a reason.

Now for normal use by someone that doesn't download
binary files from the internet, I agree that defragmenting
is something that will probably won't be needed. It might be
helpful to defragment a normal users system on occasion,
Nope.

but probably no more than every few months

Complete waste of time.

and the process shouldn't take long since
their system probably won't be that fragmented.

If it isnt, there isnt any point in defragging.

 

[Andrew Rossmann]

Oh bullshit. You were hallucinating.

Have fun explaining why none of mine have ever crashed
due to fragmentation when I never defrag at all.

There is a bug in NT where Windows could crash on bootup if the MFT
became too fragmented.
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;228734

 

[Chuck U. Farley]

I said MOST modern systems for a reason.

Yeah, vague and inspecific insinuations are always best when you make
incorrect generalizations based only on your own anecdotal experience.

The difference is trivial in the total time it takes.

It most assuredly is _not_ trivial, you'd know that if you actually used the
app.

And most dont do that sort of thing much anyway.

Yeah, and _most_ people only use a computer for web browsing and email so by
your logic "most" people don't need a "modern" computer anyway.

I said MOST modern systems for a reason.

See above.

 

[Eric Gisin]

More likely volume corruption.

There is a bug in NT where Windows could crash on bootup if the MFT
became too fragmented.
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;228734

Ntldr is crashing, the OS hasn't even started.

 

[Rod Speed]

Rod Speed (e-mail address removed) wrote

There is a bug in NT where Windows could crash
on bootup if the MFT became too fragmented.
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;228734

That's a bug in the boot code, not the OS crashing when the drive is too
fragmented.

 

[Rod Speed]

Yeah, vague and inspecific insinuations are always best when you make
incorrect generalizations based only on your own anecdotal experience.

Even you should be able to bullshit your way out of
your predicament better than that pathetic effort, Farley.

I said that much more explicitly elsewhere.

It most assuredly is _not_ trivial,
Bullshit.

you'd know that if you actually used the app.

Guess which silly little prat has just got egg all over its silly little face
yet again ?

Yeah, and _most_ people only use a computer for web browsing and email
so by your logic "most" people don't need a "modern" computer anyway.

Need is an entirely separate issue to what they use.

See above.

See above.

 

[CJT]

Bought or assembled in the last few years.

Then you're wrong, because you didn't specify an OS. Build a
system today, put Windows 98 on it (as I recall, W98 is still
the most commonly run OS on PCs), and it'll still have problems
with fragmentation.

Perhaps XP is more clever.

Unix always was.

 

[CJT]

Oh bullshit. You were hallucinating.

Have fun explaining why none of mine have ever crashed
due to fragmentation when I never defrag at all.

BS.

 

[CJT]

There is a bug in NT where Windows could crash on bootup if the MFT
became too fragmented.
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;228734

Rod thinks he knows more about Windows than Microsoft does.

 

[Rod Speed]

Rod Speed wrote

Then you're wrong, because you didn't specify an OS.

Nope, you know what by far the most common OS is.

Build a system today, put Windows 98 on it

Hardly anyone would do that.

(as I recall, W98 is still the most commonly run OS on PCs),

Not with newly built or bought systems it aint.

and it'll still have problems with fragmentation.

Perhaps XP is more clever.

No perhaps about it. And even say SE and
ME are quite a bit better than 98 on that.

And we are seeing modern system with more
free space just because of the buyable drive
sizes now, and that sees less fragmentation too.

And the main reason that defragging is a waste of time is
because modern drives seek very quickly and modern OSs
have the heads moving around over the drive quite a bit
when large files are read from end to end as well.

Unix always was.

Its never got used in enough systems to matter
when I used the word MOST for a reason.

 

[Rod Speed]

Rod thinks he knows more about Windows than Microsoft does.

You couldnt bullshit your way out of a wet paper bag
even if your pathetic excuse for a 'life' depended on it.

That aint the OS crashing, thats the boot loader crashing.

 

[Rod Speed]

BS.

You're full of that.

 

[CJT]

Nope, you know what by far the most common OS is.




Hardly anyone would do that.

For sure they do.

Not with newly built or bought systems it aint.




No perhaps about it. And even say SE and
ME are quite a bit better than 98 on that.

And we are seeing modern system with more
free space just because of the buyable drive
sizes now, and that sees less fragmentation too.

And the main reason that defragging is a waste of time is
because modern drives seek very quickly and modern OSs
have the heads moving around over the drive quite a bit
when large files are read from end to end as well.

It's all relative. If you push them, you'll see the difference.
If they're coasting (i.e. if you've wasted money on more hardware
than you need), it won't matter.

Its never got used in enough systems to matter
when I used the word MOST for a reason.

I think Windows' days are numbered. I know many disagree.

 

[CJT]

You couldnt bullshit your way out of a wet paper bag
even if your pathetic excuse for a 'life' depended on it.

That aint the OS crashing, thats the boot loader crashing.

I've seen Windows machines crash when their drives became too
fragmented.

 

[Rod Speed]

For sure they do.

Hardly anyone does.

It's all relative. If you push them, you'll see the difference.

Nope. If you 'push' them the heads are by definition
moving around more than if you dont so the moving
around that fragments cause will be less noticeable.

If they're coasting (i.e. if you've wasted money on more hardware than you
need), it won't matter.

You've got that backwards, as usual.

I think Windows' days are numbered.

Irrelevant to what MOST run on modern systems NOW.

I know many disagree.

Yep, its days arent numbered, you watch.

 

[Rod Speed]

I've seen Windows machines crash when their drives became too
fragmented.

Dont believe it. You've actually seen it crash for other reasons.

Have fun explaining why none of mine have ever crashed
due to fragmentation when I never defrag at all.

 

[CJT]

Dont believe it. You've actually seen it crash for other reasons.

Have fun explaining why none of mine have ever crashed
due to fragmentation when I never defrag at all.

If you never turn them on, they'll never crash.

 

[Rod Speed]

If you never turn them on, they'll never crash.

Even you should be able to bullshit your way out
of your predicament better than that pathetic effort.

 

[Chuck U. Farley]

Guess which silly little prat has just got egg all over its silly little
face

yet again ?

Rod Speed, meet Folkert Rienstra. In addition to sharing an obvious
ignorance of informed debate, you both share one other thing... my kill
file.

See Ya!

 

[Sam Jones]

Rod Speed, meet Folkert Rienstra. In addition to
sharing an obvious ignorance of informed debate,
you both share one other thing... my kill file.

See Ya!

No one actually gives a flying read **** what
some stupid prat like you chooses to read, fool.

And even someone as stupid as you should be able to
grasp that killfiles dont actually need to be announced to work.

Wota terminal moron.