What is "Reserved System"

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Guest

I use "Diskeeper to defragment all my drives. When I look at several of the
drives there are areas called "Reserved System". They are very large on
some drives and very small on others. This is not the "Pageing file", as
that is a totally different area. It is not space reserved for "Restore" as
that is dissabled for all drives except "C".

Hope someone has some information on this. I'm trying to clean off space on
each drive such that I can back them up in compressed mode and save them onto
a 4.7 GB DVD data disk.
 
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R. McCarty

Likely the Reserved System (space) is referring to the MFT Zone/MFT &
Metadata storage areas. Using NTFS, a partition has a fixed % of drive
space allocated for these and are not modifiable except for making them
larger which I assume you wouldn't want.
 
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Guest

Sorry for this post. Dump me!!! I finally looked into the "help files of
Diskeeper and there it was. The reserved System is space that is "Reserved
by the System when it formats the drive and is used for expansion of the MFT
master file table.

However, I really don't understand why it would need to resreve 14% of a 20
GB file for expansion of the MFT. That is 2.8 GB of space?????..

I would really like to know that. On another 20 GB partition there is no
"Reserved System" area, and on the 2nd & 3rd partition there is 7% and 10%
space reserved. On my "C" drive there is no reserved space and it is also a
20 GB Drive. All 4 partitions are on one 80 GB drive. The "C" drive is a
stand alone 20 GB drive.

Anyone have any suggestions.
 
W

Wesley Vogel

[[To prevent the MFT from becoming fragmented, NTFS reserves 12.5 percent of
volume by default for exclusive use of the MFT. This space, known as the MFT
zone, is not used to store data unless the remainder of the volume becomes
full.

Depending on the average file size and other variables, as the disk fills to
capacity, either the MFT zone or the unreserved space on the disk becomes
full first.]]
MFT Zone
http://www.microsoft.com/resources/documentation/Windows/XP/all/reskit/en-us/prkc_fil_xhpo.asp

[[Because utilities that defragment NTFS volumes cannot move MFT entries,
and because excessive fragmentation of the MFT can impact performance, NTFS
reserves space for the MFT in an effort to keep the MFT as contiguous as
possible as it grows. ]]
How NTFS Reserves Space for its Master File Table (MFT)
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;174619

Master File Table and Metadata Files
http://www.microsoft.com/resources/...Windows/XP/all/reskit/en-us/prkc_fil_rpjv.asp

NTFS Master File Table (MFT)
http://www.ntfs.com/ntfs-mft.htm


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Hope this helps. Let us know.

Wes
MS-MVP Windows Shell/User

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Plato

=?Utf-8?B?YnN0YW5zYnVyeQ==?= said:
However, I really don't understand why it would need to resreve 14% of a 20
GB file for expansion of the MFT. That is 2.8 GB of space?????..

Did you ever think of asking the Author of the program?
 
G

Guest

Westley,... Thanks very much for the detailed information.

I've read the links and understand more about the MFT but, I does not seem
to be consistant on my system. Here is my question or problem. My "C"
drive is 20 GBs and running Xp-sp2,.. no problems. However, when I look at
all the analysis with "Diskeeper", there is "NO" reserved system space.
There is 66% free space. I try to manage it to this so I can do a good image
backup and have it fit onto 1 -4.7 GB Data disk. If the MFT is made large
for performance, why is there none on the "C" drive. This is the only place
I really need performace. There is no performance issue on my other drives
because there is no place where I access lots of data on a continual basis.

My Drive-2, is an 80 GB disk with 4 partitions of 20 GB each,.. same as "C".
The first is "D" which is for all my programs that are installed. I don't
let anything install on "C" except windows and those I can't prevent. I've
moved the Page file to another very fast and large disk.

"D" is 52% free space but it has 2.4 GB of "Reserved System". When I try to
make an image backup of this partition, it will only compress down from 9.4
GB to 6.8 GB. This won't fit onto one DVD+RW disk. I am assuming that
the "Reserved Ssystem" space looks like any other file and is compressed with
the rest of the image. But what about the "Empty space" in the MFT. I
don't think the Image backup software can tell the difference?

The "E" drive is 20 GB and only has a 1GB reserve which is 5%. The "F"
drive is 20 GB and has NO reserved space. The "G" drive is 20 GB and has
2.5 GB reserve which is the 12% expected.

All of these last 4 partitions do not have any data that requires
performance. D is Programs, E is personal data, documents, Downloaded
files. F is family pictures, CD music, etc. and G is scratch space and
folders of backup files. I also have two more drives of 120 GB each where I
do video capture, editing, etc.

Over the last 2 years there has been a lot of activity of moving files in
and out on all of these drives. I do keep them defragged with Diskeeper but
I guess the "Reserve System" of the MFT can get fragmented. I understand
that Diskeeper can defrag this but I don't know how to do this "Off LIne".

I hope you have some ideas for me. Thanks again.
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"Technology,...It''''s what keeps us all going"


Wesley Vogel said:
[[To prevent the MFT from becoming fragmented, NTFS reserves 12.5 percent of
volume by default for exclusive use of the MFT. This space, known as the MFT
zone, is not used to store data unless the remainder of the volume becomes
full.

Depending on the average file size and other variables, as the disk fills to
capacity, either the MFT zone or the unreserved space on the disk becomes
full first.]]
MFT Zone
http://www.microsoft.com/resources/documentation/Windows/XP/all/reskit/en-us/prkc_fil_xhpo.asp

[[Because utilities that defragment NTFS volumes cannot move MFT entries,
and because excessive fragmentation of the MFT can impact performance, NTFS
reserves space for the MFT in an effort to keep the MFT as contiguous as
possible as it grows. ]]
How NTFS Reserves Space for its Master File Table (MFT)
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;174619

Master File Table and Metadata Files
http://www.microsoft.com/resources/...Windows/XP/all/reskit/en-us/prkc_fil_rpjv.asp

NTFS Master File Table (MFT)
http://www.ntfs.com/ntfs-mft.htm


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Hope this helps. Let us know.

Wes
MS-MVP Windows Shell/User

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G

Guest

Plato,,.. Wesley's post above has several links to Microsoft sites where
they go into great detail why they force the default of 12% in NTFS.
Their answer is in the files,... they thing it will protect the performance
of NTFS.

There is also a statement there where they indicate,.. "Only 3rd party
defrag software has the abilty to clear up all the defragmented files created
over time in the MFT. If they were really concerned about "OUR PERformance"
, it would be built into the basic windows defrag software.
 
G

Guest

This post should close out this thread. I want to thank all those that
contributed to helping me get the answer.

Since I have Diskeeper, I used the help file there and searched for
imformation on MFT. The information pointed out that Diskeeper can defrag
both MFT files and Page files. This can only be done outside of Windows in
a "Boot DEfrag" . I ran the boot defrag and once Windows started up and I
opend Diskeeper, all of the "Reserved System" was gone. However, this did
not affect the total size of the that drive. Apparently the MFT reserve
area is not counted in the "Used Capacity.

This forced me to do much more indepth investigation into what was on my "D"
disk. A recent backup of that disk was available so I loaded it into my DVD
drive and mounted a virtual disk via TrueImage to open the folders and files
in the Image backup. I compared each folder from the Image backup to the
current floders and found that software I loaded over a month ago contained
content of over 2.4 GB. This was "Content" of photos, images, designs, etc.


Once I deal with this content I will be back to a disk size I can manage
with my Image backup software. I've learned a lot more about Windows, MFT
files, Diskeeper, and my system. Thanks again for your help.
 

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