WGA updated again

[Marten]

That's like saying I lost the keys to my car. I don't have another
set. The keymaker is being an ass about replacing them.
I guess I'll just have to by another car?
Make sure it's not a Microsoft engine running it either!

I'm starting to get as outraged as Septic.

Marten

 

[Ghostrider]

That is so ridiculous and unreasonable. Wow.

Yup. I seriously doubt that Dell, HP, Compaq, E-Machines,
etc., will stand for this interpretation. The only escape
from Carey's interpretation is for the OEM's to revert to
the practice of providing an installation cdrom in order
to warrant its sale of the OS with the unit.

 

[Saga]

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Saga

Once again we have proof that WPA and WGA only inconvenience the paying customer and do nothing to
thwart piracy. The ironic thing is if you had
Agreed

used a cracked copy of XP, you wouldn't have had this problem.

How? Wouldn't WGA catch that? then back to square one?

 

[Saga]

Ditto

Saga

That's like saying I lost the keys to my car. I don't have another
set. The keymaker is being an ass about replacing them.
I guess I'll just have to by another car?
Make sure it's not a Microsoft engine running it either!

I'm starting to get as outraged as Septic.

Marten

 

[RobertVA]

Your reading comprehension is ZERO, pal. I already stated that in
most cases these people don't have CDs, they have recovery partitions
which are GONE. Being lazy is not even part of it -- having to deal
with numerous systems per day it's a question of time. This garbage
is slowing me down.

And lastly, nothing is pirated, jackass, as I've clearly stated that
these are all legit machines.

Hmm, if one of the wheel covers falls off my car the dealer or auto
parts store don't mind charging me for a replacement. If I have a tire
store install the new new wheel cover he doesn't mind buying the cover
and adding the cost to my bill either. Maybe you should supply the
customer with a new drive with a new COA and Windows OEM installation
media, charging them for the appropriate costs.

The key from COAs only works with certain versions of installation
media. If the customer can't provide installation media to match the COA
they shouldn't object to buying a new license. I suspect many of those
name brand manufacturers would be willing to ship BIOS locked
replacement CDs to the customer for a modest charge.

 

[antioch]

And what happens if you click on "hide this update"?

Alias

And where is that choice now - nowhere that I saw. Either download or
cancel!
Antioch

 

[Alias]

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How? Wouldn't WGA catch that? then back to square one?

AU.

Alias

 

[Leythos]

Often it is due to failed hard drives which, guess what?, the recovery
partition is now destroyed. So, yes, I have to use my own OEM XP
disc. Plus customers rarely bring in their recovery CDs (and have
usually thrown them out).

Bottom line, huge hassle and something I am quite frankly getting
tired of dealing with.

Bottom line is you're violating the Systems Builders agreement and
licensing agreements by not using the media version sold with their PC.

You'll be lucky if the guys in the black SUV's don't come visit you some
day.

 

[Leythos]

"Hello, customer. Yes, I am sorry your hard drive has failed. We
will need to replace it. Also, you will need to purchase a copy of
Windows since the recovery partition is now lost."

Lets look at it the way it should be:

1) Customer brings in a computer with a non-working drive, lets say it's
a Dell computer.

2) The COA is on the left side of the case, if not, then it's not a
legit install, since Dell ALWAYS INSTALLS THE COA on the case (one of
two places, mostly on the left side).

3) The media is included or a recovery partition is included, the users
are given info on how to make a restore CD, they are often provided
media, they can get a warranty replacement with recovery partition
already setup via support.

4) Customer is asked for media to install on new drive.

5) Customer tells tech that they don't know where the media is, have not
see it in ages...

6) Tech tells customer that without the Dell CD's for recovery/OS, they
will have to purchase a new copy of XP (even OEM) or get Dell to ship
them the media (which isn't going to happen if it's already been sent).

7) Customer, after making this mistake once, has to make a decision, pay
for a new CD/License or take the computer home and hope a neighbor can
boot leg them a copy.

8) Tech is not breaking any laws since they didn't install a pirated
copy of OS on the customers machine.

 

[Leythos]

Your reading comprehension is ZERO, pal. I already stated that in
most cases these people don't have CDs, they have recovery partitions
which are GONE. Being lazy is not even part of it -- having to deal
with numerous systems per day it's a question of time. This garbage
is slowing me down.

And lastly, nothing is pirated, jackass, as I've clearly stated that
these are all legit machines.

If it's not the same media then it's pirated. Your OEM cd is not likely
to be the same OEM vendors installation that was provided to the
customer.

If you're unethical enough to go down this path, screwing the customer
with WGA also, then you deserve what they do when they find that you've
screwed them.

 

[Sharon Franks]

You're a weird one. You don't comprehend what you read correctly. You must a
lonely only child. It seems like everything you comment on gets turned into
an argument.

 

[Leythos]

You're a weird one. You don't comprehend what you read correctly. You must a
lonely only child. It seems like everything you comment on gets turned into
an argument.

What part of he's installing from his OEM copy did you miss in his post,
he's not installing the same media.

Try and keep up in the details.

 

[Sharon Franks]

Are you a MS sock puppet too? or a netcop? Why is it that you think your
point is always correct and everybody else is always wrong? I've read more
of your posts and they are all the same. Are you trolling?

 

[Leythos]

Are you a MS sock puppet too? or a netcop? Why is it that you think your
point is always correct and everybody else is always wrong? I've read more
of your posts and they are all the same. Are you trolling?

Since the OP posted that he was using other than the customers own
media, we can assume that it's not the same media set as the vendors
provided media. Since the op posted that his customers also don't have a
COA in some cases, etc...

Why would you not follow his actions as pirating a copy of the OS,
installing it on a machine it's not licensed for, and then possibly
screwing the customer when they do a WGA or when their machine gets
checked (if ever).

Show me where there was anything in the OP's post that would indicate
he's not a pirate.

 

[kurttrail]

That is so ridiculous and unreasonable. Wow.

Yeah. Carey & Leythos are unreasonable and ridiculous. The longer you
post to the group and read their nonsense, you'll learn that they are
full of sh*t, and nothing you can say will ever get them to see reason.

Many computer repair people do just what you do for your customers, use
generic OEM media and use the customers Product Key for installation. I
even know that there are MVPs that do it.

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And rattle your walls
For the times they are a-changin'."

 

[Mistoffolees]

SepticTank wrote:




Yeah. Carey & Leythos are unreasonable and ridiculous. The longer you
post to the group and read their nonsense, you'll learn that they are
full of sh*t, and nothing you can say will ever get them to see reason.

Many computer repair people do just what you do for your customers, use
generic OEM media and use the customers Product Key for installation. I
even know that there are MVPs that do it.

Don't forget that there is now the Key Update Tool. It
validates real situations like this in the realm of WPA
and WGA fiction.

 

[Leythos]

Yeah. Carey & Leythos are unreasonable and ridiculous. The longer you
post to the group and read their nonsense, you'll learn that they are
full of sh*t, and nothing you can say will ever get them to see reason.

Many computer repair people do just what you do for your customers, use
generic OEM media and use the customers Product Key for installation. I
even know that there are MVPs that do it.

I see you didn't address the fact that the OP said he reinstalls even
when the customer has no COA and NO MEDIA - I could see if there was a
COA (which would seem to indicate the customer at least has a license).

Why can't you see that people are responsible for their OWN ACTIONS or
lack of actions? If you don't protect your COA or Media you deserve what
you get because of it. If you purchase a computer with a pirated copy of
anything, you deserve what you get and the vendor of that pirated
software doesn't OWE you anything.

 

[Leythos]

Don't forget that there is now the Key Update Tool. It
validates real situations like this in the realm of WPA
and WGA fiction.

Strange, I had to move a customer from Windows XP installed from the
action pack to Windows XP OEM and none of the key hacks would work, and
I could not re-trigger WPA to allow me to enter the new key. A
repair/reinstall worked fine.

Don't forget, unless you're a democrat, people should be responsible for
their own actions or lack of actions.

 

[kurttrail]

Strange, I had to move a customer from Windows XP installed from the
action pack to Windows XP OEM and none of the key hacks would work,
and I could not re-trigger WPA to allow me to enter the new key. A
repair/reinstall worked fine.

He wasn't talking about a hack. He was talking about MS's new tool.

Ask Carey about it.

Don't forget, unless you're a democrat, people should be responsible
for their own actions or lack of actions.

LOL! That's funny! Like any Rightard takes responsibility for their
own actions!

I still haven't even heard an apology for going to war on sheer
bullsh*t.

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Peace!
Kurt Kirsch
Self-anointed Moderator
http://microscum.com
"It'll soon shake your Windows
And rattle your walls
For the times they are a-changin'."

 

[Leythos]

sheer bullsh*t.

But we see a lot of the above in your posts