WGA Hacked?! Get a Fair and Balance Perspective!

[Alias]

In other words, you took an existing method that worked just fine from an
end-users' point of view (simple, unencumbered downloads), made it more
complicated (with this "validation" crap), then tell all your users that
by jumping through 'this' hoop (plug-in) to complete validation instead of
'that' hoop (type in string of gobbledegook) you make the experience
'faster'.

What wonderfully deceptive, yet typically Microsoft, marketing. Both
hoops are slower than the original method -- that's undeniable. So simply
remove the original method from the picture and hope your users
are as dumb as a bag of hammers so they forget it ever worked any other
way.

Thanks for reminding me, once again, why I switched to Linux on my
home PC last year.

Very well said. My next computer will be a Mini Mac. This is the last
Windows for me. I would have stayed but this assuming you're a thief until
you prove otherwise really gets under my skin.

Alias

 

[NoStop]

LOL! Are you saying that ya'll are gonna drop the validation rechecks?
How are you gonna know if someone is validated if ya'll don't recheck
the validation on every download request?

Why don't you just quit snivelling? You sound like a 5 year old complaining
because his mommy is forcing some rules in his life. You choose to use a
closed proprietary OS, you should be prepared to live with the results and
further consequences that MickeyMouse is probably now planning for your
future.

BTW, there are no such words in the English language like "ya'll" or
"gonna". Trying to sound like George Bush?

 

[Tom Pepper Willett]

Some people who live in the south don't identify with Bush.
Ya'll was around long before he came around, and is acceptable.

Now, would you like to talk about ebonics?

http://www.yourdictionary.com/library/drlang006.html


| kurttrail wrote:
|
| > LOL! Are you saying that ya'll are gonna drop the validation rechecks?
| > How are you gonna know if someone is validated if ya'll don't recheck
| > the validation on every download request?
| >
| Why don't you just quit snivelling? You sound like a 5 year old
complaining
| because his mommy is forcing some rules in his life. You choose to use a
| closed proprietary OS, you should be prepared to live with the results and
| further consequences that MickeyMouse is probably now planning for your
| future.
|
| BTW, there are no such words in the English language like "ya'll" or
| "gonna". Trying to sound like George Bush?
|
|
| --
| Re: Micro$oft OneCare:
| "When a company is run like the mafia why would you not expect them to
| progress to charging protection money." NF
|

 

[Alias]

Why don't you just quit snivelling? You sound like a 5 year old
complaining
because his mommy is forcing some rules in his life. You choose to use a
closed proprietary OS, you should be prepared to live with the results and
further consequences that MickeyMouse is probably now planning for your
future.

BTW, there are no such words in the English language like "ya'll" or
"gonna". Trying to sound like George Bush?

No one who grew up in New Jersey could sound like George Bush.

Heh.

Alias

 

[NoStop]

I couldn't have said it better myself, and I didn't. Thanks!

You hypocrite! Of course, had you said that, you'd have to run around this
newsgroup forever calling yourself a Linux troll. MS might be dishonest,
but not anymore than you are Kurt. Only real difference I see is that MS's
actions impact millions of users. Your impact is negligible, especially
after people see through your b.s. game playing and realize it is best to
just ignore your ramblings.

 

[kurttrail]

Why don't you just quit snivelling?

Laughing and asking a couple of questions is "snivelling" (sic)?

You sound like a 5 year old
complaining because his mommy is forcing some rules in his life.
Cool!

You
choose to use a closed proprietary OS, you should be prepared to live
with the results and further consequences that MickeyMouse is
probably now planning for your future.

So is MS a predatory monopoly or not? Do you believe that a corporation
has rights in an individuals home just because that individual bought a
product from them?

BTW, there are no such words in the English language like "ya'll" or
"gonna". Trying to sound like George Bush?

http://microscum.com/misc/BS/msnpenguins.gif

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[kurttrail]

On Thu, 26 May 2005 23:12:04 +0100, Mike Brannigan [MSFT] wrote:

Kurt - did you read what I said, If you take 2 machines one with
the plug-in and IE and one without, and they both want to download
WGA protected content. The one with the plug-in using IE will get
to commence the download without going through the longer process
to validate the genuine nature fo the OS that the other one will.
That is how you get access to downloads faster.

In other words, you took an existing method that worked just fine
from an end-users' point of view (simple, unencumbered downloads),
made it more complicated (with this "validation" crap), then tell
all your users that by jumping through 'this' hoop (plug-in) to
complete validation instead of 'that' hoop (type in string of
gobbledegook) you make the experience 'faster'.

What wonderfully deceptive, yet typically Microsoft, marketing.
Both hoops are slower than the original method -- that's
undeniable. So simply remove the original method from the picture
and hope your users are as dumb as a bag of hammers so they forget
it ever worked any other way.

Thanks for reminding me, once again, why I switched to Linux on my
home PC last year.

I couldn't have said it better myself, and I didn't. Thanks!

You hypocrite! Of course, had you said that, you'd have to run around
this newsgroup forever calling yourself a Linux troll.

I was talking about Ian's explanation about how MS's claim of faster
access to downloads with WGA is a totally contrived and fallacious
claim.

MS might be
dishonest, but not anymore than you are Kurt.

LOL! Really?

Only real difference I
see is that MS's actions impact millions of users. Your impact is
negligible, especially after people see through your b.s. game
playing and realize it is best to just ignore your ramblings.

ROFL! So why aren't you ignoring my "ramblings?" Obviously, your own
actions make a lie of your words. If I were so easily dismissed, then
you would pay me no mind.

You come to this group, offer no help to the people here, and all you do
is attack MS, except to attack me, one of the most vocal adversaries of
MS in this group.

"The enemy of my enemy is my enemy." - NoBrains 2005

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[kurttrail]

There's one. They have their main office at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue
NW, Washington, DC 20500 USA.

LOL! Isn't that the address for the Oil Lobby?

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[Mike Brannigan [MSFT]]

Do your own beta testing and quit springing it on paying customers.

You do not have to use the WGA if you do not wish to at this time. But will
millions and millions of systems out there, once we have done the necessary
beta testing internally, we have to move to a wider pilot test to try and
iron out those last few issues. Hence the reason it is out there now to be
used if you wish. If you do use it and have an issue then again you can
either provide us some feedback and help the system improve or you can
choose to do nothing. As regards springing this on paying customers - we
make all these downloads available to you for free - we do not have to. But
we are trying to provide you the paying customer with added value at no cost
to you and at the same time ensure that only you paying customers can access
this added value.

It doesn't. Period. Poeple have been complaining about this for years!


YOU report it. What is your purpose here anyway, to merely divert issues
by spouting off MS's party line or to try and actually IMPROVE things and
actually help SOLVE problems like (most of) the rest of us do?

My role here is entirely voluntary - this is a peer to peer support
newsgroup. If you want to provide feedback then do so via the proper
channels where it will reach the appropriate people, where as I could spend
my spare time trying to find the right person for this or that piece of
feedback provided here, instead of letting it be routed automatically by the
site.
My track record of helping others and problem solving is beyond question and
all of these thousands of posts per year being done in my own time and not
as part of my job.

I'm not your beta tester and I have no responsibility to report anything
to MS. Why should *I* or anyone else have to bother? Again, what, exactly
is your role here? This is a peer support group. I challenge you to be a
peer.

Feel free then to not contribute at all to WGA - but then do not complain if
you are hit by an issue that your could have helped fix by providing a few
minutes of feedback. By all means continue to not use WGA but it is coming
and if as a technically competent user you could add something to the
development then maybe you may wish to reconsider your role in this
community.

I mean no disrespect to you Mike, but as an MS employee maybe *you* should
take some responsibility in these issues and instead of saying "go to this
url and do blahX3", say "I am forwarding your concerns to the appropriate
people" and follow up. I.E. actually *DO* something about it!

As I have explained - the external systems will get your feedback to the
right group much faster then I could.

You still didn't answer my question, in fact you evaded it, which again
was:
"What, if anything, is MS doing to correct these flaws?"

The answer is "working on then internally and with those who have
experienced an issue and engaged with us to help resolve it."

Making *us* test it for you is not an acceptable answer or situation.

I have already addressed this above.

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[Mike Brannigan [MSFT]]

Third, I have to validate and worry that I will be refused validation when
I want to use my computer, not explain to some MS operator that I really
did pay for it and I really am not a thief.

You do not "have" to validate - since you do not "have" to download any of
the free content we provide you as a value add to the opertaing system.
Your choice to not download any of this content does not impact your ability
to use your computer.

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[Alias]

You do not "have" to validate - since you do not "have" to download any of
the free content we provide you as a value add to the opertaing system.
Your choice to not download any of this content does not impact your
ability to use your computer.

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Regards,

Mike

Oh, WGA won't be required for security and program updates? Will WGA be
required for MSN Messenger? IE 7? What *will* WGA be required for, do you
know? "Value add" doesn't tell me much.

Alias

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Mike Brannigan [MSFT] wrote:


Mike, of course MS has the right to ensure that installations of their
software are legitimate before providing support (product updates are
support), and that justifies the use of PA and WGA, however there are
many documented cases where these mechanisms have failed to identify
legitimately licensed installations, leaving legitimately licensed
users in a lurch.

What, if anything, is MS doing to correct these flaws? So far all I've
seen MS do is make it more difficult, particularly with regard to OEM
installations and "unauthorized" product keys. It no longer only
applies to major OEMs, either. Every OEM pre-install I have seen lately
that is not pre-activated encounters this.


And that is why we are trialling this now and if you have an issue we
would encourage you to call in and provide us with the feedback and
allow us to work though the issue with you too ensure these cases are
minimised when we "go live".
from http://www.microsoft.com/genuine/downloads/FAQ.aspx?displaylang=en

Q.
What should I do if I have a problem with the validation process?


A.
If you cannot resolve your problem using this FAQ, then please use
the Contact Us link at the bottom of Microsoft Download Center pages to
request additional assistance.


Do your own beta testing and quit springing it on paying customers.




And while we're at it, please print the keys on the COA in a font large
enough to read without a magnifying glass and quit using character
strings like "8B3B8".


The font used should allow you to differentiate those particular
characters.

It doesn't. Period. Poeple have been complaining about this for years!

However please provide this feedback via
http://support.microsoft.com/common/survey.aspx?scid=sw;en;1208&showpage=1&ws=search


YOU report it. What is your purpose here anyway, to merely divert issues
by spouting off MS's party line or to try and actually IMPROVE things
and actually help SOLVE problems like (most of) the rest of us do?

I'm not your beta tester and I have no responsibility to report anything
to MS. Why should *I* or anyone else have to bother? Again, what,
exactly is your role here? This is a peer support group. I challenge you
to be a peer.

I mean no disrespect to you Mike, but as an MS employee maybe *you*
should take some responsibility in these issues and instead of saying
"go to this url and do blahX3", say "I am forwarding your concerns to
the appropriate people" and follow up. I.E. actually *DO* something
about it!

You still didn't answer my question, in fact you evaded it, which again
was:
"What, if anything, is MS doing to correct these flaws?"

Making *us* test it for you is not an acceptable answer or situation.

Steve

Monopolies, like the Kings and Queens of olde, think that their subjects
should not only jump hoops but pay to do it with a smile. If another OS
that could compete with MS were to ever appear on the scene, MS would be
begging us to download their royal permissions to licence and use their
software. Methinks King Billy has let his power, riches and monopoly go
to his head and, at the end of the day, this kind of bad PR will be the
fall of his Empire.

WHY SHOULD A PAYING CUSTOMER HAVE TO PROVE HE HAS PAID FOR SOMETHING
THREE TIMES TO THE PERSON HE OR SHE BOUGHT IT FROM ???

First I prove it buy pulling out my hard earned cash and am told after I
buy it that I have bought permission to use it, not own the software even
though every store and every web site calls the OS "software". When I am
informed of this in the install process, it is too late to get a refund.
Catch 22, anyone?

Second, I have to activate and worry that I will be refused activation
when I want to use my computer, not explain to some MS operator that I
really did pay for it and I really am not a thief.

Third, I have to validate and worry that I will be refused validation
when I want to use my computer, not explain to some MS operator that I
really did pay for it and I really am not a thief.

That's degrading, insulting and entirely uncalled for. If MS can't catch
pirates because pirates are smarter than they are, that isn't the paying
customer's problem!

Alias

 

[David Candy]

You are one of the most pointless posters I've met. Your role seems to be to
engage in pointless arguments of which you know you can't win cos the ones
you argue with have made up their minds. Why do you do it?

I also note you are only interested in addressing pretty much non
substantive issues. You remind me of a kid in a playground at an infants
school. While this isn't with you, I canvassed with Jupiter the economic,
political, and legal issues relating to patents/software from a economic
rationalist perspective. Basically patents/copyright is a theft but it's
considered worth the trade off to foster innovation. This makes name calling
and moral judgements about piracy hypocritical. Anything that goes beyond
piracy vs no piracy is too hard for zealots like you to address.

Now you know I don't condone piracy and neither do I object to WPA. But you
just lie and that really annoys me. As regards to WGA I just note MS's
complete technical incompentance (I'll install my spell checker soon after
you deleted all my files last week) and I know it won't work well. I
couldn't activate all last week. I couldn't send mail or news posts (yet
again you get me to type out crap for no reason like how many posts I junk
because when I look up it's all gibberish due to the keyboard you defrauded
me on) or view the SMH site.

So activation did not work last week. Why? Because I installed my modem
driver to go online. Because I installed it (and hardware detection won't
detect it till I install the drivers) I cancelled the HW detect on the next
boot. My 33.3 modem was $500 new - I ain't junking it and use it in place of
my 56K modem which I have never used.

I tried to download Fiddler (an HTTP debugger) to find out why HTTP wasn't
working for 1/2 the sites in the world (the other 1/2 worked fine) but had
to install DotNet 1.1 (I only have ver 2 install files). But I had to try to
open the .Net download page, go View Source, cut and copy it to a new local
file, Open the local file of the web page to see the link. I managed to get
1 meg of the 22 meg download.

Now to address your last specific lie. I just tried to get PS3. WGA just
didn't work for me. Note this is nothing to do with validation but your web
server. The active X control arrived but the web page became invisible after
a couple of seconds of visible. It took 9 minutes to fail. I wanted to read
PS3 EULA.

Now note for me all MS software is free. I only have Dos 3.3 OEM and Win 3.1
Retail that I paid you money for (I just realised thart windows 1 and 2 and
Dos 3.3 got deleted last week - they weren't backed up). This assumes that I
paid for your software rather than you gifting it to me.

The lie I'm refering to is "free software". It's not. It is paid for as part
of the OS. In fact it's called

SUPPLEMENTAL END USER LICENSE AGREEMENT

 

[kurttrail]

Oh, WGA won't be required for security and program updates? Will WGA
be required for MSN Messenger? IE 7? What *will* WGA be required for,
do you know? "Value add" doesn't tell me much.

He's just trying to spin WGA into looking good, and it's obvious that he
is quite willing to dissemble to do it.

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[Alias]

He's just trying to spin WGA into looking good, and it's obvious that he
is quite willing to dissemble to do it.

I just took a gander at what's available to download from MS. MSN Messenger
doesn't require WGA (gotta compete with AIM and Yahoo Messenger, yaknow) and
most that do aren't worth downloading. Windows Media 9 and 10 do, though,
which is strange considering all the money MS has spent fighting the EU over
including it in the OS.

Alias

 

[kurttrail]

You do not "have" to validate - since you do not "have" to download
any of the free content we provide you as a value add to the
opertaing system. Your choice to not download any of this content
does not impact your ability to use your computer.

"In the second half of 2005, visitors to the Microsoft Download Center
(http://www.microsoft.com/downloads) and Windows Update
(http://v5.windowsupdate.microsoft.com/v5consumer) will be required to
participate in Windows Genuine Advantage to access all content. To help
customers who may require more time to move to genuine Windows software,
Microsoft is offering security updates through Automatic Updates in
Windows, with or without Windows Genuine Advantage validation." -
http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/press/2005/jan05/01-26GenuineAdvantagePR.asp

So when WGA goes mandatory, Validation will be required to access all
content at the Microsoft Download Center and Windows Update, while
Automatic Updates will still provide security updates for a limited but
as of yet undisclosed time period. Eventually all downloads, including
security updates will require Validation, meaning that Windows users
will "HAVE" to validate, if they want to keep the all the MicroHoles in
XP patched!

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[kurttrail]

You do not have to use the WGA if you do not wish to at this time.
But will millions and millions of systems out there, once we have
done the necessary beta testing internally, we have to move to a
wider pilot test to try and iron out those last few issues.

Huh? I don't see the beta tag on WGA! These wrinkles should have been
ironed out last year BEFORE MS impliment the voluntary WGA program! But
now I'll make sure to let anyone with a WGA question or problem that
they were the unwitting guinea pigs of MS!

The virtual Miss Evers' Boys!

Hence
the reason it is out there now to be used if you wish.

And to be test subjects without notification of that fact!

If you do use
it and have an issue then again you can either provide us some
feedback and help the system improve or you can choose to do nothing.

LOL! Like I already showed you a guy that was directed to pay-for
support to resolve his WGA problem! Sounds like WGA problems are gonna
be another cash cow for MS!

"After going through several screens, without having to download any of
the ActiveX controls as I had already done it, I was presented with a
screen which informed me that I had an "Invalid License Key". I was
basically being informed that my copy of XP Pro was a pirated copy, or
at least the key was."

"I tried to contact Microsoft via their on-line e-mail help, only to be
told that it was not a Windows XP Pro issue, and that I should call a
premium rate number to get assistance." -
http://groups-beta.google.com/group...6f07d2b6638/3fe0d89d258426d0#3fe0d89d258426d0

As regards springing this on paying customers - we make all these
downloads available to you for free - we do not have to.

After selling us an OS full of security holes, you think you are being
magnamimous for providing patches to your security-disabled OS!

What utter arrogance!

But we are
trying to provide you the paying customer with added value at no cost
to you and at the same time ensure that only you paying customers can
access this added value.

THEY COULD ACCESS IT FINE BEFORE WGA, AND ALL WGA IS GONNA DO IS ADD
JUST ANOTHER THING THAT CAN AND WILL GO WRONG ACCESSING SECURITY
PATCHES!

People have enough problems getting updates through Windows Update and
Auto Update LONG before WGA reared its ugly head, and now ya'll are
gonna add yet another thing that can go wrong in updating the OS!

My role here is entirely voluntary - this is a peer to peer support
newsgroup.

Go away, we don't need your obvious disinformation here!

If you want to provide feedback then do so via the proper
channels where it will reach the appropriate people, where as I
could spend my spare time trying to find the right person for this or
that piece of feedback provided here, instead of letting it be routed
automatically by the site.
My track record of helping others and problem solving is beyond
question and all of these thousands of posts per year being done in
my own time and not as part of my job.

A majority of which that I've seen are spouting MicroPropaganda, not in
helping people with Windows XP problems, so I'd say that there is some
question about your presence here!

Feel free then to not contribute at all to WGA - but then do not
complain if you are hit by an issue that your could have helped fix
by providing a few minutes of feedback.

LOL! Most people are totally ignorant of the fact that they are
participating in an undisclosed beta testing program!

By all means continue to not
use WGA but it is coming and if as a technically competent user you
could add something to the development then maybe you may wish to
reconsider your role in this community.

LOL! Didn't you recently tell me that most of those that test MS
software are employees?

"The majority of our Beta testers are corporate employees"

Obviously you weren't counting the millions of users that were
unwittingly duped into testing WGA for ya'll!

And it is you that should consider getting out of our peer to peer
community, if all you are gonna do is be an apologist and propagandist
for your employer!

As I have explained - the external systems will get your feedback to
the right group much faster then I could.

As long as you pay for help!

The answer is "working on then internally and with those who have
experienced an issue and engaged with us to help resolve it."

You mean those you duped into testing this crap?

I have already addressed this above.

Get lost, Mike. We aren't drinking the KoolAid you are trying to dupe
us into drinking!

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[David Candy]

What was that dll post about. It's been deleted.

Mike Brannigan [MSFT] wrote:


Mike, of course MS has the right to ensure that installations of
their software are legitimate before providing support (product
updates are support), and that justifies the use of PA and WGA,
however there are many documented cases where these mechanisms
have failed to identify legitimately licensed installations,
leaving legitimately licensed users in a lurch.

What, if anything, is MS doing to correct these flaws? So far all
I've seen MS do is make it more difficult, particularly with
regard to OEM installations and "unauthorized" product keys. It no
longer only applies to major OEMs, either. Every OEM pre-install I
have seen lately that is not pre-activated encounters this.


And that is why we are trialling this now and if you have an issue
we would encourage you to call in and provide us with the feedback
and allow us to work though the issue with you too ensure these
cases are minimised when we "go live".
from
http://www.microsoft.com/genuine/downloads/FAQ.aspx?displaylang=en
Q.
What should I do if I have a problem with the validation
process? A.
If you cannot resolve your problem using this FAQ, then please
use the Contact Us link at the bottom of Microsoft Download Center
pages to request additional assistance.


Do your own beta testing and quit springing it on paying customers.

You do not have to use the WGA if you do not wish to at this time.
But will millions and millions of systems out there, once we have
done the necessary beta testing internally, we have to move to a
wider pilot test to try and iron out those last few issues.

Huh? I don't see the beta tag on WGA! These wrinkles should have been
ironed out last year BEFORE MS impliment the voluntary WGA program! But
now I'll make sure to let anyone with a WGA question or problem that
they were the unwitting guinea pigs of MS!

The virtual Miss Evers' Boys!

Hence
the reason it is out there now to be used if you wish.

And to be test subjects without notification of that fact!

If you do use
it and have an issue then again you can either provide us some
feedback and help the system improve or you can choose to do nothing.

LOL! Like I already showed you a guy that was directed to pay-for
support to resolve his WGA problem! Sounds like WGA problems are gonna
be another cash cow for MS!

"After going through several screens, without having to download any of
the ActiveX controls as I had already done it, I was presented with a
screen which informed me that I had an "Invalid License Key". I was
basically being informed that my copy of XP Pro was a pirated copy, or
at least the key was."

"I tried to contact Microsoft via their on-line e-mail help, only to be
told that it was not a Windows XP Pro issue, and that I should call a
premium rate number to get assistance." -
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/microsoft.public.windowsxp.general/brows
e_frm/thread/e71fc6f07d2b6638/3fe0d89d258426d0#3fe0d89d258426d0

As regards springing this on paying customers - we make all these
downloads available to you for free - we do not have to.

After selling us an OS full of security holes, you think you are being
magnamimous for providing patches to your security-disabled OS!

What utter arrogance!

But we are
trying to provide you the paying customer with added value at no cost
to you and at the same time ensure that only you paying customers can
access this added value.

THEY COULD ACCESS IT FINE BEFORE WGA, AND ALL WGA IS GONNA DO IS ADD
JUST ANOTHER THING THAT CAN AND WILL GO WRONG ACCESSING SECURITY
PATCHES!

People have enough problems getting updates through Windows Update and
Auto Update LONG before WGA reared its ugly head, and now ya'll are
gonna add yet another thing that can go wrong in updating the OS!

http://support.microsoft.com/common/survey.aspx?scid=sw;en;1208&showpage=1&w
s=search

My role here is entirely voluntary - this is a peer to peer support
newsgroup.

Go away, we don't need your obvious disinformation here!

If you want to provide feedback then do so via the proper
channels where it will reach the appropriate people, where as I
could spend my spare time trying to find the right person for this or
that piece of feedback provided here, instead of letting it be routed
automatically by the site.
My track record of helping others and problem solving is beyond
question and all of these thousands of posts per year being done in
my own time and not as part of my job.

A majority of which that I've seen are spouting MicroPropaganda, not in
helping people with Windows XP problems, so I'd say that there is some
question about your presence here!

Feel free then to not contribute at all to WGA - but then do not
complain if you are hit by an issue that your could have helped fix
by providing a few minutes of feedback.

LOL! Most people are totally ignorant of the fact that they are
participating in an undisclosed beta testing program!

By all means continue to not
use WGA but it is coming and if as a technically competent user you
could add something to the development then maybe you may wish to
reconsider your role in this community.

LOL! Didn't you recently tell me that most of those that test MS
software are employees?

"The majority of our Beta testers are corporate employees"

Obviously you weren't counting the millions of users that were
unwittingly duped into testing WGA for ya'll!

And it is you that should consider getting out of our peer to peer
community, if all you are gonna do is be an apologist and propagandist
for your employer!

As I have explained - the external systems will get your feedback to
the right group much faster then I could.

As long as you pay for help!

The answer is "working on then internally and with those who have
experienced an issue and engaged with us to help resolve it."

You mean those you duped into testing this crap?

I have already addressed this above.

Get lost, Mike. We aren't drinking the KoolAid you are trying to dupe
us into drinking!

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[kurttrail]

What was that dll post about. It's been deleted.

Yeah, so was my reply!

See an incomplete list of my censored posts:

http://www.microscum.com/censored/

Direct link to the KuRTtRAIL.DLL post:

http://microscum.com/censored/200505270703/

Link to my new Blog:

http://www.kurttrail.com/kblog/

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[David Candy]

AFAIK I'm the only person who has posted to your blog.

Why bother removing it.

 

[kurttrail]

AFAIK I'm the only person who has posted to your blog.

You're the second. On the day I started it, T. Waters left a comment.

Why bother removing it.

I wish they didn't. I always enjoy threads that make fun of me. And
that is probably why they removed it.

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