voltages present on the motherboard

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annalissa

Hi all,

this is what i have read in the book, "Essential electronics for PC
technicians" by John W farber

moderns P.C's have voltages present on the motherboard even when the
P.C is turned off

1 to allow faster booting
2 to provide WOL[wake on LAN] and WOM [wake on modem]

Is there any other reason ? which is not mentioned in the book ?
 
G

Gerard Bok

this is what i have read in the book, "Essential electronics for PC
technicians" by John W farber

moderns P.C's have voltages present on the motherboard even when the
P.C is turned off

1 to allow faster booting
2 to provide WOL[wake on LAN] and WOM [wake on modem]

Is there any other reason ? which is not mentioned in the book ?

Read (almost) the full story at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acpi

Note, that some PCs still have a real on/off switch (in some
locations: required by law) that actually switches them off :)
 
B

Bryce

Gerard said:
this is what i have read in the book, "Essential electronics for PC
technicians" by John W farber

moderns P.C's have voltages present on the motherboard even when the
P.C is turned off

1 to allow faster booting
2 to provide WOL[wake on LAN] and WOM [wake on modem]

Is there any other reason ? which is not mentioned in the book ?

Read (almost) the full story at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acpi

Note, that some PCs still have a real on/off switch (in some
locations: required by law) that actually switches them off :)
The always-on 5VDC also supplies the CMOS memory that supports BIOS
and the realtime clock. Both are maintained by the coin-cell battery
on the motherboard when all power is removed.
 
P

Paul

annalissa said:
Hi all,

this is what i have read in the book, "Essential electronics for PC
technicians" by John W farber

moderns P.C's have voltages present on the motherboard even when the
P.C is turned off

1 to allow faster booting
2 to provide WOL[wake on LAN] and WOM [wake on modem]

Is there any other reason ? which is not mentioned in the book ?

One of the purposes of +5VSB, is to power the system DRAM
when the computer is in S3 suspend to RAM. For example,
if I select Standby while in Windows, my session is saved
in RAM. When I wake the system from S3, all of my
session is still present in RAM.

And this is why you shouldn't pull RAM from a system, while
the +5VSB is still present. On an Asus motherboard, each
board has a green LED to monitor +5VSB. If the LED is lit,
do not pull RAM or PCI cards from the system. Instead,
make sure the power is off, and the green LED is not
glowing. Then it would be safe to work on the
hardware.

Using a clip-on wrist strap, clipped to shiny metal on the
computer chassis, plus the use of antistatic bags for components,
will go a long way to protecting the stuff you add or remove
from the system. Once the +5VSB is turned off, of course.

Paul
 
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Paul

Ian said:
Yes, S3 shuts down more motherboard resources than S1,
but even for S3 the Northbridge remains active to supply
the memory refreshing, without which, the contents would
be lost. The PSU is still fully operational, although the
current draw is not as great. The 3.3V supply is still needed
to provide the 1.8V or 1.5V memory power for DDR2 or DDR3.

The +5VSB has nothing to do with preserving the RAM
contents. The sleep mode on current motherboards is S3,
which is what I was talking about. With S1, basically only
the CPU is halted, although it's the fastest to wake up,
because all you have to do cancel the Halt state and you're
going again.

Get your multimeter out and test that theory!

In S3, only the +5VSB is running.

When the main outputs on a power supply are running,
the fan runs. When the power supply main outputs are
off, there is a separate circuit that generates only
+5VSB. That is what is used to power the RAM in S3
suspend to RAM.

Here is a schematic for an ATX power supply. The
bottom left corner of the schematic, is the separate
circuit for +5VSB. It takes the rectified AC from the
wall, that has been filtered by the primary side
capacitor, and converts it to +5VSB. This supply
is actually using a linear, to create the final
output.

http://www.pavouk.org/hw/en_atxps.html

There is a schematic for a motherboard here. Flip
to PDF page 80. This is a switching regulator supplying
2.5V to DDR DIMMs. When the computer is running, the
MOSFETs Q6H1 and Q6H2 produce switching regulator
output, powerful enough to provide the few amps
needed by the DDR memory. Q6G1 is a backfeed cut,
to prevent current from flowing backwards.

http://www.intel.com/design/chipsets/schematics/252812.htm

The regulator is a Semtech SC2614. Flip to PDF page 6
for a block diagram of the regulator. 5VSTBY on the
left, goes to an internal "Stby LDO", which stands
for "Standby Low DropOut Linear Regulator". When the
computer goes to sleep, VDDQSTBY is the source
of 2.5V current, for the memory which is in self-refresh.
It looks like the PWRGD, presumably derived from
Power_Good on the motherboard, is used to control whether
the LDO is operational or not. Using a linear regulator
is only possible, if the current draw is pretty low, and it
should be for self-refresh. When VDDQSTBY is operating,
the gate drive should be removed from the switching
MOSFETs. Thus, the SC2614 switches from converting
regular rail voltage into 2.5V for the DIMMs, to using
+5VSB via the LDO path to make 2.5V.

http://www.semtech.com/pc/downloadDocument.do?id=468

HTH,
Paul
 
S

Steve

kony said:
See page 74 (among other pages) of the following DDR2 data
sheet (among other pages) where it refers to "self refresh
mode". You do not have to keep the memory controller
powered to refresh memory.

http://download.micron.com/pdf/datasheets/dram/ddr2/256MbDDR2.pdf



No it is not... PSU is soft-off supplying only 5VSB unless a
proprietary design (I have seen some like Compaqs that do
supply 3.3VSB in addition to 3.3V main power rail, but this
is rare for PCs).



If you have a board where it's doing what you described,
it's not in S3 mode for whatever reason.



Indeed.
I've just built an ASUS P5QL-E E7300 system and after a few wrinkles, got S3
mode working properly. I measured the mains power used with a handy digital
thingy from Maplins and it's just 3 watts.

My old Athlon XP in it's non-S3 standby mode used to draw more power at 75w
than this new one does (67w) at idle with the XP desktop running. Progress!
 

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