Vista/XP Ethernet Network

[Guest]

I've been trying for a couple days to be able to share my internet and
printer through my new Vista desktop and I can't get it to work. I have my
Vista desktop attached to my cable modem and then through another ethernet
card, it goes to a router where it connects to the other XP machines. I can
use the internet on the Vista machine, but none of the XP machines. And of
course, when I had an XP desktop in place of the Vista one, it all worked
fine.

Here's some of what I've done:
Made sure workgroup names are the same
Tried to ping the XP machines and gotten no response
Turned off both the Windows and Norton firewall
Checked that the ethernet card that goes from the Vista to the router and
it's working
Made both network connections private networks
Turned on printer sharing
Tried making both the internet gateway and the router gateway networks the ICS
Turned off password protected sharing

I just can't figure this out! And HP (who I bought the vista machine from)
won't help! Any ideas?

 

[Guest]

I also tried following Bruce's instructions on WIndows XP/Vista Networking to
enable NetBIOS over TCP/IP for TCP/IP V4

 

[Steve Winograd [MVP]]

I've been trying for a couple days to be able to share my internet and
printer through my new Vista desktop and I can't get it to work. I have my
Vista desktop attached to my cable modem and then through another ethernet
card, it goes to a router where it connects to the other XP machines. I can
use the internet on the Vista machine, but none of the XP machines. And of
course, when I had an XP desktop in place of the Vista one, it all worked
fine.

Here's some of what I've done:
Made sure workgroup names are the same
Tried to ping the XP machines and gotten no response
Turned off both the Windows and Norton firewall
Checked that the ethernet card that goes from the Vista to the router and
it's working
Made both network connections private networks
Turned on printer sharing
Tried making both the internet gateway and the router gateway networks the ICS
Turned off password protected sharing

I just can't figure this out! And HP (who I bought the vista machine from)
won't help! Any ideas?

Since you have a router, I don't understand why you're trying to set
up the Vista computer with Internet Connection Sharing.

A typical setup with a cable modem, router, and multiple computers is:

1. Connect the cable modem to the router's WAN (Internet) port.

2. Connect all of the computers to the router's LAN ports.

Is there a reason that you can't do that in your setup?
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[Guest]

It was an issue early on when I originally set up the network with Windows or
Comcast...I don't remember why. I'm not sure I can easily change that. And
I know it should work with this configuration as it did for XP and all the
help articles I've found said that this is doable.

I will say that apparently doing the netbios thing did enable us to finally
share the printer...but still no internet sharing.

Any other ideas? I tried having ICS on both the cable modem connection and
the router connection...which one should it be on? And do I have to reboot
everything every time I change that?

Thanks for any help you can give!

 

[Steve Winograd [MVP]]

It was an issue early on when I originally set up the network with Windows or
Comcast...I don't remember why. I'm not sure I can easily change that. And
I know it should work with this configuration as it did for XP and all the
help articles I've found said that this is doable.

I will say that apparently doing the netbios thing did enable us to finally
share the printer...but still no internet sharing.

Any other ideas? I tried having ICS on both the cable modem connection and
the router connection...which one should it be on? And do I have to reboot
everything every time I change that?

Thanks for any help you can give!

Sharing a Comcast cable modem connection using a router is very
common, and I can't imagine why it wouldn't work in your network.

Even so, it should be possible to use ICS on Vista just like on XP.
Share the cable modem connection, not the router connection. This
article should help:

http://windowshelp.microsoft.com/Windows/en-US/Help/bfd3bd31-82f0-4b9c-9cde-fb92bc2b14771033.mspx

If you use ICS, use the router only as a network switch, not as a
router:

1. Disable the router's built-in DHCP server.
2. Set the router's LAN IP address to 192.168.0.x, where "x" is
between 2 and 254.
2. Connect all of the computers to LAN ports on the router.
3. Don't connect anything to the router's WAN (Internet) port.
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Steve Winograd, MS-MVP (Windows Networking)

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[Guest]

OK...here's where I am now:
I can see all the computers on the network and they can access the printer
attached to my computer, so I know the home network is working.
It ends up, I think it is a switch, not a router (It's an SCM EZSwitch
10/100 1016DT), so I think that's OK, and besides, it is letting me share the
printer, so it's working.
I also noticed in the ICS sharing settings, that none of the services was
selected, so I went in and selected them all.

But here's where I think the problem might be (Just call me knowlegeable
enough to be dangerous!):
When I go to share the internet connection, In she sharing tab there is a
box called Home networking connection. It is a text box and mine says
Wireless Network Connection. But that's not the connection I'm using! It
lets me select the name, but it won't let me type over it.

Is that the problem?

Thanks again for your help! My family is breathing down on neck wanting me
to switch back to my XP machine!

 

[Steve Winograd [MVP]]

OK...here's where I am now:
I can see all the computers on the network and they can access the printer
attached to my computer, so I know the home network is working.
It ends up, I think it is a switch, not a router (It's an SCM EZSwitch
10/100 1016DT), so I think that's OK, and besides, it is letting me share the
printer, so it's working.
I also noticed in the ICS sharing settings, that none of the services was
selected, so I went in and selected them all.

But here's where I think the problem might be (Just call me knowlegeable
enough to be dangerous!):
When I go to share the internet connection, In she sharing tab there is a
box called Home networking connection. It is a text box and mine says
Wireless Network Connection. But that's not the connection I'm using! It
lets me select the name, but it won't let me type over it.

Is that the problem?

Thanks again for your help! My family is breathing down on neck wanting me
to switch back to my XP machine!

Yes, that's a switch, not a router.

To use ICS, your computer needs two network adapters: one for the
cable modem, and one for the home network connection through the
switch.

Share the cable modem connection.

Click the down arrow in the box under "Home networking connection" and
choose the wired LAN connection from the menu.

The best long-term solution would be to replace the switch with a
router, eliminating the need for Internet Connection Sharing.
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Steve Winograd, MS-MVP (Windows Networking)

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[Guest]

I've done all but change the Home networking connection. There is no arrow
there that causes a drop down and it doesn't allow me to change the text in
the text box. It won't let me change it from Wireless Network Connection to
the connection that it should be.

 

[Steve Winograd [MVP]]

I've done all but change the Home networking connection. There is no arrow
there that causes a drop down and it doesn't allow me to change the text in
the text box. It won't let me change it from Wireless Network Connection to
the connection that it should be.

Your computer needs two wired Ethernet network adapters: one connected
to the cable modem, and one connected to the switch. Does it have
them? If so, make sure that the network connections for both of them
are enabled.

If not, what do you see for network adapters in Device Manager, and
what do you see for network connections in Network Connections?
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Steve Winograd, MS-MVP (Windows Networking)

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[Guest]

Boy, this is a challenge...I had a tech out for 3 hours and even he couldn't
figure it out.

I do have 2 ethernet cards, and one shows as local and internet and the
other shows as just local. The one that shows as local and internet is the
one I tried to do ICS. I was finally able to point it to the local
connection, but it still didn't work.

We're headed out of town tomorrow, so for now I swapped back in my XP
machine where all the connections work! But if you can give me some new
ideas that I can try when I get back, I'd love to hear them. I'm even
willing to pay a tech at this point (didn't have to pay the guy today...they
have a guarantee they fix the problem or no charge!)!

 

[Guest]

OMG Connie this is same Dejavu...I have been curse with the same problem. I
have done everything they have suggested to do. I have a Vista laptop, and a
XP desktop with a Linksys wireless router, and a cable modem.

I will be Damned if i can get my laptop to network with my XP desktop to
share the printer.

All I can say is I will pray for you...becuse I have come to the conclusion
that there is no soulution.

 

[Guest]

If you're willing to spend money to resolve the issue, you might look into a
broadband router from manufacturers like Dlink or Linksys and replace the EZ
Switch.

Here's how I think the broadband router will help. In the "old" days, ICS
was there because most people have only one cable modem and therefore only
one computer could connect to the Internet. With ICS, the computer connected
to the cable modem became the "broadband router" with a use of a hub or
switch for the other computers in the house. By using a broadband router,
you connect the cable modem to the WAN port and all the house computers
(including yours) to the LAN ports of the BR. The BR now gets the Comcast IP
(WAN) and acts as the DHCP server to give the house computers their IPs for
the local network. (Remember to make sure the TCP/IP properties in the house
computers to "Obtain IP automatically"). This at least will get the family
off your back.

If you are as dangerous as you say you are, you should have the household
back on the Internet in no time flat.

 

[justhowitis]

Well, since no one else wants to give the answer, here it is........

The issue resides in Norton Internet Security. You need to go in and make adjustments or remove it completely. Once we removed the program, everything showed up and works.

Now there is your answer.

EggHeadCafe.com - .NET Developer Portal of Choice
http://www.eggheadcafe.com

 

[justhowitis]

Well, since no one else wants to give the answer, here it is........

The issue resides in Norton Internet Security. You need to go in and make adjustments for networking or remove it completely. Once we removed the program, everything showed up and works.

Now there is your answer.

EggHeadCafe.com - .NET Developer Portal of Choice
http://www.eggheadcafe.com

 

[Guest]

Well, I finally got it up and working. What I ended up doing was buying a
Linksys router (WRT300N) and hooking my cable modem to that and then plugging
that into the switch. Basically, everyone has their own IP address, and no
more internet connection sharing. But I can see all the XP machines on the
network and they can see the Vista machine and print on the printer attached
to the Vista machine.

So I guess what I learned was...don't use ICS!

BTW...I'd say the most painful thing about this process was trying to get
answers. I appreciate the help here, but I could get no help from HP (which
should be providing support on Vista, but said it was a network issue, not
Vista), Comcast or the switch vendor! They all said it wasn't their fault and
the only choice was paid support.

 

[Steve Winograd [MVP]]

Well, I finally got it up and working. What I ended up doing was buying a
Linksys router (WRT300N) and hooking my cable modem to that and then plugging
that into the switch. Basically, everyone has their own IP address, and no
more internet connection sharing. But I can see all the XP machines on the
network and they can see the Vista machine and print on the printer attached
to the Vista machine.

So I guess what I learned was...don't use ICS!

BTW...I'd say the most painful thing about this process was trying to get
answers. I appreciate the help here, but I could get no help from HP (which
should be providing support on Vista, but said it was a network issue, not
Vista), Comcast or the switch vendor! They all said it wasn't their fault and
the only choice was paid support.

Connie, I agree that a router is a better solution than ICS. And
that this news group is a better place to get help than HP and
Comcast.

Thanks for letting us know how you solved the problem.
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Best Wishes,
Steve Winograd, MS-MVP (Windows Networking)

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