Vista privlidges and VB6

[Kevin Provance]

Gents (and ladies if there are any here), prepare for a challenge. First, I
am cross-posting this to what I think is the appropriate Vista group because
I think we as VB 6 programmers could learn some techniques (or vice versa)
if there is indeed an answer to this delimma. As a side note, I am dyslexic
and I try to catch my spelling errors but always seem to miss some, so
please forgive those in advance. My typing is slower than my minds ability
to get the words out.

Okay, here we go: I am using VB6 SP6 on a Gateway laptop with Vista Home
Premium. I have a program that performs cross task subclassing use Spyworks
by Dan Appleman. But before you tell me that it's Applemans fault it's not
working, then just wait. I talked to Dan about it and he said it wasn't
Spywork. It had more do to with execution level. Basically, my program
need to be the same or higher and the only way to accomplish thatis to have
either VB6 or m y compiled EXE start the program in question first. I got a
copy of Process Explorer from systemInternals,

So as it sits, my program has to start the other program so that it is a
parent of the program I am trying to hook into. Somehow I managedto change
the elevation level of the program I wsnted to start. (well, call it AOL)
If AOL starts before my program, then none of my programs hook are valid.
If I have my program start AOL then everythink works. I was viewing the
results of theProcess Explorer and say thatVB6.exe was the parent process
and that AOL was a child of it, VB6 is also running asAdministrator.

So my question is after watching Process Explorer can I launch my app
whenever I want to and then find by way of API to become the child of the
waol.exe process so that it will stop ignoring all my API messages. Can a
process became part of another so that we have the same pvileges. This is
important, or my carreer goes oout the door.

To me, my problem of not being able to cross subclass because of permissions
and priviledges is a career killer. If I can't find a way to fix this, I'm
in a bad place.

Please consider helping me, so I can feed my kids and whats not. I will
entertain any suggestion. If you need more data, please let me know...I
must get this fixed one way or another

Thanks,

Kevin Provance
phone available

 

[Ken Halter]

So as it sits, my program has to start the other program so that it is a
parent of the program I am trying to hook into. Somehow I managedto
change
the elevation level of the program I wsnted to start. (well, call it AOL)
If AOL starts before my program, then none of my programs hook are valid.
If I have my program start AOL then everythink works. I was viewing the
results of theProcess Explorer and say thatVB6.exe was the parent process
and that AOL was a child of it, VB6 is also running asAdministrator.

Since I've never used SpyWorks or even touched a PC running Vista, about the
only thing I can come up with would be.... modify the shortcut to that "aol"
program, so it launches your app instead... your app can then launch "aol".
Ask the users permission first, of course.

If you need to do this with other apps, the shortcut's command line can be
the original contents of the "Target" field for that shortcut.

 

[Karl E. Peterson]

So as it sits, my program has to start the other program so that it is a
parent of the program I am trying to hook into.

Presumably, throwing a messagebox stating that, should you find the "other program"
already running when you startup, isn't an option? (Like Ken, I use neither Vista
nor SpyWorks.)

 

[BeastFish]

Wow, Microsoft's hearts must all be a-flutter with how the masses are just
rushing out to get Vista, reminiscent of the Cabbage Patch doll riots of
20-some years ago <g>

 

[Karl E. Peterson]

Wow, Microsoft's hearts must all be a-flutter with how the masses are just
rushing out to get Vista, reminiscent of the Cabbage Patch doll riots of
20-some years ago <g>

My official position, for the foreseeable future: Unsupported Platform!

 

[Kevin Provance]

Trust me dude...none of this is by personal choice. I'd be content to stay
with XP and programming for it. Unfortunately, because most of my end users
are um...easily led and because laptops are dirt cheap now, it seems that
everyday I get letters from a few more of them that have moved to Vista and
want to know why my programs are not working. So now I have no choice but
to dive into the abyss blindfolded if I ever expect to keep feeding my
family, ya know?

I have no formal college education in computer science (I was a music major
for all the good it did me) and after experimenting with help wanted adds in
the field where I am most proficient, I am turned away for not having the
proper education. Of course running my own biz for 10 years dealing with
everything from coding, to administration to webmaster makes no difference.


I'm pretty hosed if I cannot get this Vista crap working.
Seriously...without that piece of paper, my days as a programmer are coming
to a close...and no, I ain't happy about it.

- Kev

| Wow, Microsoft's hearts must all be a-flutter with how the masses are just
| rushing out to get Vista, reminiscent of the Cabbage Patch doll riots of
| 20-some years ago <g>
|
|

 

[Kevin Provance]

I guess this means my dreams of hosting a "Mastering VB6 and Vista"
subsection of your website are out the window, eh? <eg>

Lord knows by the time I'm done with this *@!&ing project, I'll have earned
the title of master (or at the very least "somewhat knowledgable").

- Kev

| > Wow, Microsoft's hearts must all be a-flutter with how the masses are
just
| > rushing out to get Vista, reminiscent of the Cabbage Patch doll riots of
| > 20-some years ago <g>
|
| My official position, for the foreseeable future: Unsupported Platform!
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[Bob O`Bob]

I guess this means my dreams of hosting a "Mastering VB6 and Vista"
subsection of your website are out the window, eh? <eg>

Lord knows by the time I'm done with this *@!&ing project, I'll have earned
the title of master (or at the very least "somewhat knowledgable").

....or a nice canvas jacket with really long sleeves and a new place to live.
--

 

[BeastFish]

Kev,

I assume you're setting the execution level of your VB exe via manifest? If
so, did you embed it in the exe? Don't know for sure, but for some reason I
recall seeing somewhere that Vista/UAC might expect it to be embedded in the
exe.

Did you try going the other way... try making the existing instance of the
AOL app a child of your app? Maybe you can find something that helps
here... http://www.shrinkwrapvb.com/kidnap.htm

Just some wild "guesses". When you find a solution, please let us know.

 

[DArnold]

Trust me dude...none of this is by personal choice. I'd be content to stay
with XP and programming for it. Unfortunately, because most of my end users
are um...easily led and because laptops are dirt cheap now, it seems that
everyday I get letters from a few more of them that have moved to Vista and
want to know why my programs are not working. So now I have no choice but
to dive into the abyss blindfolded if I ever expect to keep feeding my
family, ya know?

I have no formal college education in computer science (I was a music major
for all the good it did me) and after experimenting with help wanted adds in
the field where I am most proficient, I am turned away for not having the
proper education. Of course running my own biz for 10 years dealing with
everything from coding, to administration to webmaster makes no difference.


I'm pretty hosed if I cannot get this Vista crap working.
Seriously...without that piece of paper, my days as a programmer are coming
to a close...and no, I ain't happy about it.

You simply get VS 2005 and convert you applications to VB.NET. You can
buy the full version of VS 2005 or download VS 2005 Express which is free.

They have 3rd party tools that will convert your VB 6 code to VB.NET.

If you want to come up to speed as quickly as possible, then may I
suggest this.

http://msdn.microsoft.com/vstudio/express/beginner/learningpath/

You can find other articles concerning the manifest.

http://blogs.msdn.com/nikhiln/archi...-to-make-an-application-elevate-in-vista.aspx

Most likely, you can get your VB 6 applications to run on Vista, but you
need to post to a MS.Public *Programmers* NG concerning VB 6 or VB.NET,
as you are most likely not the only programmer that has gone down this
path using Vista.

 

[Bob Butler]

You simply get VS 2005 and convert you applications to VB.NET. You can buy
the full version of VS 2005 or download VS 2005 Express which is free.

There's nothing simple at all about that.

They have 3rd party tools that will convert your VB 6 code to VB.NET.

ROTFLMAO

The only VB6 to VB.Net converter is a rewrite.

 

[Mr. Arnold]

There's nothing simple at all about that.


ROTFLMAO

The only VB6 to VB.Net converter is a rewrite.

I disagree but that's your problem not mine, because I see people using the
solutions to make the transition easier.

It's obvious you have no business being a programmer. It's why you're stuck
in the position you're at and don't have the common sense to do what's
needed.

Your clients should firer you and get someone else, because you can't
deliver. <g>

 

[Robert Morley]

They have 3rd party tools that will convert your VB 6 code to VB.NET.

Since you're obviously referring to non-Microsoft products (since the
Microsoft "Upgrade" Wizard is truly a piece of crap), what exactly do you
suggest? I certainly haven't heard of anything worth mentioning, but I
admit, I'm not up-to-speed on the latest converters available. Perhaps
there's something that's actually worthwhile now...?



Rob

 

[Bob Butler]

I disagree but that's your problem not mine, because I see people using
the solutions to make the transition easier.

It's obvious you have no business being a programmer. It's why you're
stuck in the position you're at and don't have the common sense to do
what's needed.

Your clients should firer you and get someone else, because you can't
deliver. <g>

Amusing bit of nonsense coming from somebody who know nothing about what
position I am "stuck" in, what I deliver to my clients, or even what I do
for a living. Anybody who uses a conversion tool from VB to VB.Net and then
doesn't review every line of the result is a fool. Those who do would have
better spent their time rewriting unless they have nothing but the simplest
apps in the first place.

 

[Mr. Arnold]

Opps, excuse me, you're just another lame brain *clown*. I am sorry I even
put you in the same ballpark the OP, fool.

 

[Bob Butler]

Opps, excuse me, you're just another lame brain *clown*. I am sorry I even
put you in the same ballpark the OP, fool.

Perhaps you should examine why you are so insecure about your choice of
VB.Net as a platform. Given the immaturity of your responses I'd guess
you're just too young and inexperienced to know any better. If so, there
may be hope for you yet.

 

[Mr. Arnold]

I am not going to bother with you, because you're a *boy*. Only a *boy*
would have made the post that you made in the manner in which you made the
post. I don't want to see your lip service.

The only thing you can do for me *boy* is strap on your Pamper, saddle up
your cockroach and ride out.

<Plank> that's a soft logical plonk.

 

[Mr. Arnold]

You saw my other post. It applies to you here as well, rise out.

 

[Bob Butler]

I am not going to bother with you, because you're a *boy*. Only a *boy*
would have made the post that you made in the manner in which you made the
post. I don't want to see your lip service.

The only thing you can do for me *boy* is strap on your Pamper, saddle up
your cockroach and ride out.

<Plank> that's a soft logical plonk.

I see. Such well-considered, logical arguments. Obviusly you are a force
to be reckoned with. Perhaps I can try to respond at the same level....

I know you are, but what am I?

 

[Mr. Arnold]

I am not bothering to read it.

<disappear>