Vista OEM and XP pro

[Curt]

here;s a weird scenario. I have a machine that is
running Vista OEM Home premium. I checked
the dell site, and they have a version of XP
for the exact same system.

SO, basically, if I could do it through dell,
I'd order the OEM version to install on
this system as a dual boot.

I searched high and low and never came
across anything that actually dictated
the circumstances where 2 oem versions
of software were running in a dual boot scenario.

I know I'll more than likely have to get the
retail version, since validating 2 oem versions
on the same hardware could present a problem.

Like Uncle Bill and the black helicopters
showing up at my door. Or maybe just the FBI.

But it would be nice to be able to purchase a
version of the software designed to be installed
on my computer without all the extraneous issues
and the extra costs involved with buying retail.

I wonder if MS has ever considered allowing customers
to do this. Since you can only run one OS at a time, as
long as both were legal copies, and married to the
hardware, I wonder why it isn't allowed.

Has anyone else ever addressed this issue? Or am I
simply being a weasel?

The only thing stopping me from ordering it today is
that the drive that I have currently installed, I would like
a duplicate of, but alas, it is backordered. I was thinking
maybe later that I could do RAID.

Anyway, I figure asking the experts on this, and maybe
having seen it before; they could possibly shed some light
on this.

 

[non flammable on Vista]

you can dual boot 2 OEM versions without a problem..

the only thing is that you need to fix the vistabootloader after you install
XP on a second drive or partition

you can do that with either the vista dvd OR there is a free program called
vistaboot pro that youc an load onto XP
and restore the vistabootloader

 

[non flammable on Vista]

if you just want xp you can ask them if you can get the downgrade rights
from VIsta to XP
or what you have to do to obtain them.. they will give you a cd for free if
you are able to get that

 

[AlexB]

If you want a dual boot it is not a problem. You can partition your C: drive
and install a second OS. There are fairly reliable prescriptions to do this.
I am 10 min away from my bed and do not want to do any research but you can
find all info on this or other forums. There is a problem here, however.

As the character that already answered to you correctly pointed out if you
install XP as the second (time wise) OS it will reshape the Windows Boot
Management menu and since XP is ignorant of Vista you will never see it
again.

He offered you a "cheep" solution. Without going into details I would be
wary of the offer. Once I installed XP over Vista and had to reinstall Vista
as the first OS and lost a lot of software.

At this website which is a forum, there is a post by a fellow, I think his
alias is spooky, who describes a method of installing XP over Vista but the
method involves using yet another partition. In other words you will have
three partitions ready to do it.
http://www.msfn.org/board/index.php?s=fef5fb9706fbe73a38e7c7388ceffec5&act=idx

He claims it is a child's play.

You do not have to have a second drive to have one or two more partitions.
You can create them all on C: if it has significant volume.

RAID of course will increase your speed but kill the recovery option in case
the drive is lost.

 

[Curt]

Problem is, there are specific downgrade paths, and
home versions aren't included in the deal.

Plus, I don't want to downgrade, but run both.

Vista is for me, and for learning. XP Pro would
be specific for work. I may need to telecommute.

--
Curt

if you just want xp you can ask them if you can get the downgrade rights
from VIsta to XP
or what you have to do to obtain them.. they will give you a cd for free
if you are able to get that

 

[Curt]

I was thinking I'd simply install XP Pro
on a second drive. I would like them to
be similar so that once I could simply run
vista (someday) that I'd try RAID for the
additional speed.

XP was great, but if I could, I'd just
upgrade to Ultimate instead. RDP is
the issue. Vista RDP will work with
XP, but the XP system needs to be updated,
and then, there's the problem of applications
that need to run locally.

There's many ways to do dual boot. In all
the time I've been doing things like that, separate
disks for each OS have always been the best option.

Worst case scenario is I can order a different disk
that works with the hardware and is XP compliant.
And order the XP pro retail. But all of that is
contingent upon employment, and I am not going to
do it simply for the sake of doing it. Vista
Home Premium runs great all by it's lonesome.

I do have another machine with XP on it, and
could use that. P4 2K with 768 megs. But I
have a dual core with 2 gigs. I'd rather use
this box, the nice 22 inch flat screen, and
since it is compatible with XP, it seems like
a more logical choice.

The only issue there is that the old box is oem, and
I would need a retail version of XP, since this
box has oem on it too. So, in order to comply
with the EULA, I would have to buy retail.

Since after installing it on this box I will probably
never use it again, it seems like a waste of money.

That's why I wish it was ok to install 2 oem OS's
with the understanding that the OS isn't portable.
But no luck.

Anaya, I'll bet XP will fly on this box.

--
Curt

If you want a dual boot it is not a problem. You can partition your C:
drive and install a second OS. There are fairly reliable prescriptions to
do this. I am 10 min away from my bed and do not want to do any research
but you can find all info on this or other forums. There is a problem
here, however.

As the character that already answered to you correctly pointed out if you
install XP as the second (time wise) OS it will reshape the Windows Boot
Management menu and since XP is ignorant of Vista you will never see it
again.

He offered you a "cheep" solution. Without going into details I would be
wary of the offer. Once I installed XP over Vista and had to reinstall
Vista as the first OS and lost a lot of software.

At this website which is a forum, there is a post by a fellow, I think his
alias is spooky, who describes a method of installing XP over Vista but
the method involves using yet another partition. In other words you will
have three partitions ready to do it.
http://www.msfn.org/board/index.php?s=fef5fb9706fbe73a38e7c7388ceffec5&act=idx

He claims it is a child's play.

You do not have to have a second drive to have one or two more partitions.
You can create them all on C: if it has significant volume.

RAID of course will increase your speed but kill the recovery option in
case the drive is lost.

 

[Bruce Chambers]

here;s a weird scenario. I have a machine that is
running Vista OEM Home premium. I checked
the dell site, and they have a version of XP
for the exact same system.

SO, basically, if I could do it through dell,
I'd order the OEM version to install on this system as a dual boot.

I searched high and low and never came across anything that actually
dictated the circumstances where 2 oem versions
of software were running in a dual boot scenario.

I know I'll more than likely have to get the
retail version, since validating 2 oem versions
on the same hardware could present a problem.

Like Uncle Bill and the black helicopters
showing up at my door. Or maybe just the FBI.

But it would be nice to be able to purchase a version of the software
designed to be installed
on my computer without all the extraneous issues
and the extra costs involved with buying retail.

I wonder if MS has ever considered allowing customers
to do this. Since you can only run one OS at a time, as
long as both were legal copies, and married to the hardware, I wonder
why it isn't allowed.
Has anyone else ever addressed this issue? Or am I simply being a weasel?
The only thing stopping me from ordering it today is
that the drive that I have currently installed, I would like
a duplicate of, but alas, it is backordered. I was thinking
maybe later that I could do RAID.
Anyway, I figure asking the experts on this, and maybe
having seen it before; they could possibly shed some light
on this.

This has nothing whatsoever to do with Microsoft; it's the computer
manufacturer who controls the OEM licenses that he sells with his
product. If Dell is willing to provide you with two OEM licenses for
one computer, you're all set.


--

Bruce Chambers

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[Zonky]

Problem is, there are specific downgrade paths, and
home versions aren't included in the deal.

Plus, I don't want to downgrade, but run both.

Vista is for me, and for learning. XP Pro would
be specific for work. I may need to telecommute.

Have you considered running XP in a VM, rather than dual-boot?

Z.

 

[Curt]

Yeah, I gave it some thought. But it has
to network. I don't know how stable a VM
would be making a VM connection.

 

[Zonky]

Yeah, I gave it some thought. But it has
to network. I don't know how stable a VM
would be making a VM connection.

Depends on how your network is configured. If you're behind a nat router at
home already, it is very easy.

Personally, i like Vmware Server more than MS's products.

Z.

 

[~Alex~.:MVP Windows Shell/User:.]

Dell will only offer a downgrade option. They will not offer to give you XP
Pro and allow for a dual boot. So if you wish to dual boot you will have to
buy a copy of XP. To dual boot it is easy. Use EasyBCD.

Install XP. Use the Vista DVD to restore the Vista Bootloader (BCD) and
then install EasyBCD. Add XP Entry. For more info check out

http://neosmart.net/

Best site for all your booting needs.