Vista is not at all suited for games.

[Guest]

With the Aero theme taking up over 500MB of RAM (on my computer), Vista is
not suited for games at all. Even if Microsoft does some "performance fixes,"
Vista will never run games as fast as Windows XP does, even if you disable
Aero. It was the same with the XP Luna interface, messed up game performance.
Aero is doing the same thing, except tenfold, and along with the new gimmicks
and things, makes Vista an unsuitable OS for games.

I have no idea why Microsoft is forcing everyone to upgrade to Vista because
they're not publishing any more games for XP after Vista is released (*cough*
Halo 2 *cough*).

Who's with me?

 

[Zack Whittaker]

I know - it's not up to Microsoft to make sure all games work - it's their
job to make a platform which is easy to develop games for. Contact the games
manufacturer to see their support for Vista in the future.

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[Guest]

Nah, this is a comment, not a problem. I'm simply stating that Vista is not
optimized for playing games.

 

[Zack Whittaker]

Well, they do still need to optimise for performance )

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[Jupiter Jones [MVP]]

No one including Microsoft is forcing anyone to upgrade to Vista or any
other operating system
Those who upgrade to Vista do so by their own choice.

Please post the source for "they're not publishing any more games for XP
after Vista is released"
Do not confuse game and other programs optimized for Vista to working only
on Vista
Even if true for Microsoft, there are many more games than just Microsoft.

 

[Guest]

Well, Halo 2 is not going to be done on XP...
Will DirectX 10 only work on Vista? If it works on XP, I see no reason why
they can't allow games to be made on XP.

 

[Guest]

Unless you want to play Halo2 without buying an xbox.

 

[Jupiter Jones [MVP]]

By that logic, a great many things force people to upgrade certain things.
You not only specify one particular game, but you further restrict the
options by demanding a specific version.

But that is not Microsoft forcing anything.
That is the user choosing to run a specific program and wanting to meet the
requirements to feed that choice.
The key here is choice.

Halo of any kind is not a game I ever play.
Are you sure Halo 2 will play on Vista and nothing more?
Source?

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[Dustin Harper]

So, I should be able to play any current game on Windows 95, or even 3.11
using this logic. Upgrades are necessary. Sure, it's forcing the user to
upgrade.

Consoles are the same way. If I want to play a Xbox 360 game, I need a 360.
It won't play on the XBox. I'd have to upgrade.

Cars are even the same way. If I want a fuel injected engine with 45 MPG and
an MP3 player, I'd need to upgrade.

I don't see it as being forced. You're not "forced" into buying the game.
It's the game requirements. That's the way it is. It moves the computer
industry. Some people don't understand that. You buy a PC, you play what's
out at the time. You want to play a newer game, you need a newer computer.
Yes, it's fast paced. But the outcome is great!

My 486 can still play Doom 2.

Dustin Harper

 

[Jupiter Jones [MVP]]

"So, I should be able to play any current game..."
I never suggested any such thing.
But the game manufacturers should be able to tell you.

Nothing forces the user to upgrade anything.
The user makes a choice.

"If I want to play..."
The key word in your sentence is "want"?
If you want something, then you choose...
No one is forcing your want to run a particular version of a game.
Your choice.

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[Dustin Harper]

Some of that was agreeing with you....

If I choose to buy Halo 3 on the XBox 360, I'll have to buy the 360. Not
really forcing, but it is a necessary upgrade to play it. If you want to
play a newer game, you're not forced to upgrade... But it won't play on the
older hardware. Thus to play the newer game, you HAVE to have the newer
hardware.

No one is forcing you to do it. Yet, it has to be done to play the newest
games.

And, for FSX... I will be forced to upgrade my system. Since I can't live
without it, my arm is being twisted by the FSX developers to upgrade my
system. (The FSX team is a great bunch of people. I enjoy their posts on
AVSIM!). That is a major reason for upgrading my system and OS! Thanks,
guys! They show the great screenshots, and then I see the DX9/DX10
comparison... I'm losing my paychecks already!

Dustin Harper


Dustin Harper

 

[Jupiter Jones [MVP]]

Perhaps another way to put it.
We keep hoping, wanting and asking for more.
And the hardware and software makers are happy to give it to us...at a
price.

 

[Guest]

Nothing forces the user to use "Aero" either. And FWIW if Vista + Aero is
only using 500mb of your RAM thats not all that bad considering they
recommend at least 1gb ram for good OS performance (games obviously want more)

 

[Guest]

Yep, Who needs upgraded FPS games like Halo2 when we have Doom1...

 

[Guest]

hmmm if it is a serious problem (could be for me...) then there is a simpel
solution

Dual boot

have XP (game optimized) installed (tages around 6 Gb) and play the most
games there

Have Vista installed and make the rest of the work there... yes i know it is
irritating to change.. but it could help make the game experienc bether...

 

[Ian M. Walker]

Why is an MVP arguing semantics here?

The point is, the OS DOES need to be optimized to not be sucking up so much
of the resources.

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http://www.IanMWalker.com

~ Look to your own life before worrying how others are living theirs ~

 

[Guest]

my system has 512 Mb of ram, and 64 are for the shared Xpress 200 video card,
till now, no problems so far, some games even work faster than XP, Dungeon
Siege for example, and Halo, and it's just a beta, the final should be
faster, i agree that it consumes resurces, but the system uses a better
optimization scheme, to free more memory when needed, i say just wait, it's
only a beta.

 

[Guest]

yep Halo does run faster, in fact it looks better aswell in some parts.

 

[Guest]

Yes Halo 2 will only work on Windows Vista.
Source? Here! http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/4698072.stm

"Microsoft has announced that the PC version of Halo 2 will only work on the
new version of Windows called Vista. "

 

[Robert R. Johnson Jr]

It is a standard marketing tool. Microsoft would like to provide a reason
for customers to upgrade but I believe that is not good reasoning. You
really shouldn't leave your XP fans out of the loop in this way.

regards
Robert