Vista Hardware Requirements

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Walter R.

I would like to upgrade my computer to comply with Vista Requirements. Is
there a website that will show the requirements for the different versions
of Vista?

My old video card has only 32 mb (TNT2) but it does have AGP. Somewhere I
read that Vista does not support AGP for Video Cards(?) Does this mean I
should just get a new video card with 256 MB memory, without AGP?

Thanks
 
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Dustin Harper

Vista does support AGP, no problem with that. You won't be able to run Aero
Glass with the card, though. Home Basic or Premium would work great. Premium
has the Aero Glass feature for if/when you do upgrade.
 
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Guest

Your computer needs an agp card, most likely. Older computers do not have pci
express slots. My advice is to save the $100 you would spend for an upgrade
to Basic and put it towards a new computer. Vista really needs bigger,
faster, better hardware. Basic is not worth the money and premium would be
wasted on your older computer. It reverts back to basic on inadequate
hardware.
 
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BSchnur

You might describe the rest of your hardware configuration.

I'm guessing since you have an old generation AGP card (TNT2) that your
AGP slot is AGP 2x and not AGP 4x/8x. That would suggest the rest of
the hardware configuration might be marginal for Vista.
 
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Walter R.

Yeah, the computer is more than 5 years old. Pentium 4; 1,500 MHz
overclocked to 2,300MHz, 512 MB SDRAM, Video Card: TNT 2 Model 64 Pro (32
mb), 32XCD Rom, floppy drive, MSI Motherboard (MSI 6529) for 423 P4 with
Intel 845 chipset, Soundblaster Audio Card (new), Hard drives: 40 GB plus 80
GB for data storage

The video card garbles the POST and the Windows Splash screen on my new 19"
LCD monitor. Probably the video card.

Is it worth upgrading?

Just received my $ 136 refund from the Microsoft class action suit. First
time I ever gained a nickel from these lawyers and MS. Maybe I should use it
as a down payment for a new computer.
 
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Walter R.

Yeah, the computer is more than 5 years old. Pentium 4 - 1,500 MHz
overclocked to 2,300MHz, 512 MB SDRAM, Video Card: TNT 2 Model 64 Pro (32
mb), 32XCD Rom, floppy drive, MSI Motherboard (MSI 6529) for 423 P4 with
Intel 845 chipset, Soundblaster Audio Card (new), Hard drives: 40 GB plus 80
GB for data storage

The video card garbles the POST and the Windows Splash screen on my new 19"
LCD monitor. Probably the video card.

Is it worth upgrading?

Just received my $ 136 refund from the Microsoft class action suit. First
time I ever gained a nickel from these lawyers and MS. Maybe I should use it
as a down payment for a new computer.
 
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BSchnur

Well, if you are a 'build your own type' -- pick up a new system and
build it (say, on a budget, with an AMD AM/2 motherboard, 1G or 2G of
dual channel DDR2 RAM, a decent video card (say an ATI 850 or 1300 PCI-
X16 bus), a DVD-R optical device, and a 160G IDE or Serial hard drive.

Really, your existing configuration is pretty much end of life stuff.
 
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Eric

BSchnur said:
Well, if you are a 'build your own type' -- pick up a new system and
build it (say, on a budget, with an AMD AM/2 motherboard, 1G or 2G of
dual channel DDR2 RAM, a decent video card (say an ATI 850 or 1300 PCI-
X16 bus), a DVD-R optical device, and a 160G IDE or Serial hard drive.

Really, your existing configuration is pretty much end of life stuff.

I checked prices for building a system based on the AM2, and it seems the PC
would either be significantly lacking at least one component, or cost at
least $1000. It seems hard to fit a decent AM2 system even under $1000 and
include a monitor..

I wonder if it's worth saving up for a really nice system in the $1000-$1500
range, or if it's worth getting a new bottom of the line system around $500
that is still 4x faster or more than my 5 year old PC.
 
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BSchnur

I checked prices for building a system based on the AM2, and it seems the PC
would either be significantly lacking at least one component, or cost at
least $1000. It seems hard to fit a decent AM2 system even under $1000 and
include a monitor..

Well, lets say $200 for the monitor. If you must allocate $200 for the
OS, than things may be tight. But for $800 hardware only -- no
problem.

Motherboard and 65 watt 4200X2 (retail version) -- about $200 depending
on Fry's sales <smile>.

250G SATA (or IDE) hard drive $70. (NewEgg prices)
X1300 video card $60
DVD-R $40
Decent Case $45
Decent 500W Power Supply $50
2G DDR2 memory $180

That is under $650. Heck you could add Home Premium Vista, keyboard
and mouse and along with the $200 for display be under $1K.
 
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BSchnur

OK -- and for those who don't have ready access to Fry's -- here's a
Newegg only configuration

Motherboard: ECS Nforce4M $ 56
Processor: AMD 64X2 4200 65W Retail $155
Video Card: Asus Radeon X1300LE 256M $ 66
Hard Drive: WD 250G IDE $ 65
DVD Drive: Liteon 18X DVDR $ 29
Memory: Transcend 2x1G DDR2 667 $150
Case: CoolerMaster CAC-T05 $ 50
Power Supply: Thermaltake TR2 430W $ 40
Monitor: Hyundai 19" LCD $185

Subtotal: $796

Shipping will bring that cost up somewhat of course

But for the OS NewEgg has Vista 32 Home Premium for $120.

So staying under $1K with the OS is not difficult. Then again, I
didn't include speakers, keyboard and mouse -- but that should still
fit under $1K, and if the budget was absolute, one could reduce cost by
dropping the CPU speed to a 3800, reducing the drive size to 160G, save
money by getting DDR2 533 memory, get a cheaper case (but I really like
the CoolerMaster, get a cheaper power supply (but why buy twice), or go
with a 17 inch LCD instead of 19 inch.

Application software isn't in the mix though.
 
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Eric

BSchnur said:
OK -- and for those who don't have ready access to Fry's -- here's a
Newegg only configuration

Motherboard: ECS Nforce4M $ 56
Processor: AMD 64X2 4200 65W Retail $155
Video Card: Asus Radeon X1300LE 256M $ 66
Hard Drive: WD 250G IDE $ 65
DVD Drive: Liteon 18X DVDR $ 29
Memory: Transcend 2x1G DDR2 667 $150
Case: CoolerMaster CAC-T05 $ 50
Power Supply: Thermaltake TR2 430W $ 40
Monitor: Hyundai 19" LCD $185

Subtotal: $796

Shipping will bring that cost up somewhat of course

But for the OS NewEgg has Vista 32 Home Premium for $120.

So staying under $1K with the OS is not difficult. Then again, I
didn't include speakers, keyboard and mouse -- but that should still
fit under $1K, and if the budget was absolute, one could reduce cost by
dropping the CPU speed to a 3800, reducing the drive size to 160G, save
money by getting DDR2 533 memory, get a cheaper case (but I really like
the CoolerMaster, get a cheaper power supply (but why buy twice), or go
with a 17 inch LCD instead of 19 inch.

Application software isn't in the mix though.

Interesting suggestions. I'll have to check out those parts sometime, see
how close they come to top of the line, if I like the case design, etc.
Then I just have to figure how to fit a UPS into the budget. I'm
reinstalling my OS on my current PC because it has issues because we blew
the circuit breaker a couple times this past week.
I do have a few old PCs around for parts so I could do without a new
keyboard/mouse, and could wait on a new monitor.. don't need a printer, do
need the OS, possibly other software like if my current copy of Office
doesn't work with the new OS (64 bit Office?)..
 
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BSchnur

Interesting suggestions. I'll have to check out those parts sometime, see
how close they come to top of the line, if I like the case design, etc.

Top of the line does not compute with budget <smile>.

For top of the line, the motherboard supports all current AMD X2 CPU's,
so you certainly could bump up to an X2 5200 for an additional $175.
And of course one can go crazy with video cards and spend an extra $500
or more.

The case has very good cooling (included rear 120mm and front 80mm.

The motherboard supports high density DDR2 modules, you could load it
up with 8G or 16G of memory, but THAT is going to cost a lot.

And, if you are 'up powering' both the CPU and video adapter, you will
need a heavier duty power supply (say one with SLI support and dual 12V
rails with total power of 550 to 600 watts).

And I agree with you regarding UPS -- I have them running in front of
all of my primary office systems and servers.


The thing is, to move toward the top end, you move from $1K for a GOOD
system to $2K for something of a testosterone special...
 
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Eric

BSchnur said:
Top of the line does not compute with budget <smile>.
Ha! I don't figure to get the best of everything under that price, but
close to top of the line could be the slowest CPU of those with the best
architechture.

Like is 256MB video RAM really enough for a Vista system, or enough to get
by for a start with a plan to upgrade it later, or is it better to get a
512MB card and try to cut some expense on another part?

I've never been a fan of Radeon. I just got the Lego Star Wars game, and it
strongly recommends an nVidia card, but I haven't figured out the best
affordable card. Is it better to get a 7xx card with more RAM or a 8xx card
with less RAM? Is it worth the money to upgrade my existing system (1 GHz
with 512MB RAM with 3xx video with 64MB) to put in a 5xx video card with
256MB RAM that I could find for about $55 at best (including shipping)?
For top of the line, the motherboard supports all current AMD X2 CPU's,
so you certainly could bump up to an X2 5200 for an additional $175.
And of course one can go crazy with video cards and spend an extra $500
or more.
I agree.
The case has very good cooling (included rear 120mm and front 80mm.
But is it tasteful? I don't really want a crazy style alien thing..
The issue I have looked for in past cases is the reset button. When there
is a problem I sometimes have to use it a lot and find it annoying when they
make it so you need a pin to push it. Some cases don't even have one..
The motherboard supports high density DDR2 modules, you could load it
up with 8G or 16G of memory, but THAT is going to cost a lot.

And, if you are 'up powering' both the CPU and video adapter, you will
need a heavier duty power supply (say one with SLI support and dual 12V
rails with total power of 550 to 600 watts).
That is another issue I've been wondering about, exactly how much power each
level of PS consumes, and exactly how much power each component needs. No
doubt high end video cards eat a lot. I don't know about the MB/CPU and
other components..
And I agree with you regarding UPS -- I have them running in front of
all of my primary office systems and servers.
Now I just need to figure out how much to spend on one and what exactly they
do. It seems there are different kinds. I need one that can at least
provide power to the PC for about 5 minutes after the power goes out so I
can safely shut it down..
The thing is, to move toward the top end, you move from $1K for a GOOD
system to $2K for something of a testosterone special...
No doubt. I spent about $1K on my last PC though about 5 years ago, so it
is well below minimums now but still plenty sufficient for most things.
 
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BSchnur

Ha! I don't figure to get the best of everything under that price, but
close to top of the line could be the slowest CPU of those with the best
architechture.

Understood -- my preference for CPU's is the point where the price
starts jumping too fast for the performance boost. Example with the
AM2 series (all of these are priced as the retail version - heat sink
and fan with longer warranty).

Sempron 64 3000 -- Single core, 256K L2 Cache -- $65
Sempron 64 3200 -- Single core, 256K L2 Cache -- $75
Sempron 64 3400 -- Single core, 256K L2 Cache -- $76
Athlon 64 3500 -- Single core, 512K L2 Cache -- $85
Athlon 64 3800 -- Single core, 512K L2 Cache -- $95
Athlon 64 X2 3800 - Dual core, 512Kx2 L2 Cache -- $109
Athlon 64 X2 4000 - Dual core, 512Kx2 L2 Cache -- $140
Athlon 64 X2 4200 - Dual core, 512Kx2 L2 Cache -- $155
Athlon 64 X2 4400 - Dual core, 512Kx2 L2 Cache -- $165
Athlon 64 X2 4600 - Dual core, 512Kx2 L2 Cache -- $189
Athlon 64 X2 5000 - Dual core, 512Kx2 L2 Cache -- $215
Athlon 64 X2 5200 - Dual core, 1Mx2 L2 Cache -- $229
Athlon 64 X2 5400 - Dual core, 512Kx2 L2 Cache -- $269
Athlon 64 X2 5600 - Dual core, 1Mx2 L2 Cache -- $325

So for me, the 'sweet spot' starts with the X2 3800 and extends to the
X2 4600 -- depending on budget. Then again, sometimes the local Fry's
runs a super deal on some of my preferred processors with a decent
motherboard which amounts to getting the motherboard for free.

Like is 256MB video RAM really enough for a Vista system, or enough to get
by for a start with a plan to upgrade it later, or is it better to get a
512MB card and try to cut some expense on another part?

I think 256M would be fine -- that's an onboard 256M, what you don't
want is a card that supports 256M but only has 64M or 128M on the card.

The thing with nVidia is Vista driver support, ATI appears to currently
be ahead of nVidia for this -- which is particularly apparent to
gamers. That being said, I've faith that nVidia will take care of this
reasonably soon.

I'd guess your nVidia start point would be a GeForce 7100GS with 256M
on board. Figure under $60. If you insist on 512M on board, you jump
up to the 7300GT and price doubles -- more memory, faster GPU. For a
bit more you could jump to the 7600GS.

As you walk up the GPU price, power, memory ladder, take care to handle
power supply and cooling issues as these faster GPU's demand it. One
thing that bugs me about most of the mid-range (and up) video cards, is
they really need active cooling (heat sink and fan) -- that's ok, but
way too often they have cheap fans -- either too noisy or they fail and
just like a CPU fan, a GPU fan is NOT something you want to have fail
on you.
But is it tasteful? I don't really want a crazy style alien thing..
The issue I have looked for in past cases is the reset button. When there
is a problem I sometimes have to use it a lot and find it annoying when they
make it so you need a pin to push it. Some cases don't even have one..

That's another thing I like about that case, it doesn't have crazy
lights, logo's or the like, just a 'we mean business' case design.
That is another issue I've been wondering about, exactly how much power each
level of PS consumes, and exactly how much power each component needs. No
doubt high end video cards eat a lot. I don't know about the MB/CPU and
other components..

Well one trick here -- don't get 'no name' power supplies -- they often
rate 'peak power' not sustained power. I will gladly take a
Thermaltake or Antec 430W power supply over a 550W 'ebay special'. But
if you are powering up on the video card, (and that's the real power
draw), and/or are thinking of a 4 drive RAID array, then make sure to
'go big' with the power supply. I generally build up business systems,
so rarely have I gone past 500 Watts for a power supply.
Now I just need to figure out how much to spend on one and what exactly they
do. It seems there are different kinds. I need one that can at least
provide power to the PC for about 5 minutes after the power goes out so I
can safely shut it down..
Yeah, that's the trick -- I'm sort of 'old school' on that -- mostly
APC SmartUPS -- 1000 or 1400 -- plenty of power and good storage. The
newer slim style USB only UPS's provide less run time (there is just so
much energy you can store per cubic inch). Still should be OK for a
home unit though. I use a couple of Ebay suppliers to get refurb'd APC
1000 and 1400's (new batteries).
 
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cquirke (MVP Windows shell/user)

On Wed, 14 Feb 2007 14:30:37 -0800, Mary
Basic is not worth the money and premium would be wasted

I'd say it's the other way round - Basic's the way to go for me, and
it is Premium that isn't worth the money for:
- tablet PC stuff I don't need
- media center stuff I don't need
- Aero fluff I don't need, and may not work on old PCs

I would not attempt to install Vista on a working 5-year-old PC.


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Saws are too hard to use.
Be easier to use!
 
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\LG\

"cquirke (MVP Windows shell/user)"
I would not attempt to install Vista on a working 5-year-old PC.

Actually I'm doing just that. A 5 year old T-bird 1100, 640m SDram and a
Gforce 5200 128m.

Ultimate has been running flawlessly for 2 weeks now including Aero.
 

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