Vista Beta 2 - Grim Assessment

[Robert Robinson]

Our primary interest in Vista is being able to use Vista Speech.
Unfortunately, many of the serious problems with Vista Speech are still
uncorrected in Beta 2. These are detailed in a lengthy report that is
being sent to the Speech Group. The most serious limitation of Vista
Speech is, unfortunately, poor recognition accuracy compared with the
current industry leader, NaturallySpeaking.
Vista itself has been much improved compared with the 5308 build, but I
still think that it has many very poorly designed user interfaces, it is
a huge and unwieldy operating system, and the security functions appear
to have little value other than that of thoroughly annoying and wasting
the time of the users.
I can't see that Vista in its current incarnation has any advantage over
XP and it has many major limitations. I hope that it will not prove to
be another disaster like that of Windows Me.
Robbie

 

[Andre Da Costa [Extended64]]

Well, I don't even use it because there is so much noise around me.
Personally, I say its an improvement over XP's which was like a stubborn
child, everytime I spoke to it its like my dictations fell on deaf ears. For
Speech recognition to work good in Vista though, it requires constant
training, so the issues you are experiencing right might be temporary, I
don't see how you could expect it to catch on so quick. How long have you
been using it now?

If its not working for you, stick with Dragon Naturally Speaking.
--
--
Andre
Windows Connected | http://www.windowsconnected.com
Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com
Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre
http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta

 

[Zack Whittaker]

It is set to improve - if you keep on with the bugs, being as specific as
you can, they'll try and get them fixed. It's all good and well telling us
here, but if you send in those reports - they can get them fixed and
improved! )

Make it your mission - if you really want the speech to work, be as critical
as you can and let them know every detail possible. Remember, they read
*every single bug* that they recieve )

--
Zack Whittaker
» ZackNET Enterprises: www.zacknet.co.uk
» MSBlog on ResDev: www.msblog.org
» Vista Knowledge Base: www.vistabase.co.uk
» This mailing is provided "as is" with no warranties, and confers no
rights. All opinions expressed are those of myself unless stated so, and not
of my employer, best friend, Ghandi, my mother or my cat. Glad we cleared
that up!

--: Original message follows :--

 

[John Jay Smith]

Me was a small disaster... since it was a stepping stone between 98 and XP

but Vista is another story..... this can make them or break them.

 

[Zack Whittaker]

Me was absolutely awful I'll admit - seriously shot themselves in the foot
with that one P

--
Zack Whittaker
» ZackNET Enterprises: www.zacknet.co.uk
» MSBlog on ResDev: www.msblog.org
» Vista Knowledge Base: www.vistabase.co.uk
» This mailing is provided "as is" with no warranties, and confers no
rights. All opinions expressed are those of myself unless stated so, and not
of my employer, best friend, Ghandi, my mother or my cat. Glad we cleared
that up!

--: Original message follows :--

 

[Jane Colman]

ME = Mistaken Edition

 

[Andre Da Costa [Extended64]]

ME might have been a disaster for consumers, but not for Microsoft since it
was prebundled on most machines in the fall of 2000. I know people who still
have it running on their machine and they are just as happy with it as 98 SE
users. I personally never had an issue with it, ran it on my IBM Aptiva up
until August 2000 when a virus took it, decided there was not much
difference betweek it an 98 SE so I just reinstall 98.
--
--
Andre
Windows Connected | http://www.windowsconnected.com
Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com
Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre
http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta

 

[Ed Dixon]

I would be an interesting statistic to see what percentage of PC users still
use the Windows version that can preinstalled on purchase. My guess is that
this is a high percentage.


Ed

 

[John Jay Smith]

With "WinMe" Linux users were having a riot about windows instability....
and they were right...
it wasnt until XP that they bit their lip... (sorta since linux is always
better for them)

 

[Andre Da Costa [Extended64]]

Correction, I meant until August 2001, (ME came out in September 2000).
--
--
Andre
Windows Connected | http://www.windowsconnected.com
Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com
Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre
http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta

 

[Andre Da Costa [Extended64]]

I don't know why they would have a riot, since Windows 2000 existed at the
time.
--
--
Andre
Windows Connected | http://www.windowsconnected.com
Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com
Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre
http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta

 

[Pierre Szwarc]

Because Win2k wasn't for the general public. The "Pro" was stressed by MS's
marketing, and that steered away many end-users. You may not have noticed,
but there never was a "home" flavour for Win2k.
--
Pierre Szwarc
Paris, France
PGP key ID 0x75B5779B
------------------------------------------------
Multitasking: Reading in the bathroom !
------------------------------------------------

"Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" <[email protected]> a écrit dans le message
de news: (e-mail address removed)...
|I don't know why they would have a riot, since Windows 2000 existed at the
| time.

 

[John Jay Smith]

yes exactly... I WISH it was marketed for the general public... since it
would have saved me 2 years of really bad computing! I was working on huge
graphics then and win98 just couldnt handle what I was trying to do,
and that meant crashes all the times and restarts.......

 

[Andre Da Costa [Extended64]]

Uh, and you are saying Linux is for general public? I ran 2000 on my home
machine from March of 2001 up to June 2003 without any issues.
--
--
Andre
Windows Connected | http://www.windowsconnected.com
Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com
Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre
http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta

 

[Andre Da Costa [Extended64]]

Thats what happened to me too, I had a few windows open IE and OE an up to
128 MBs of RAM and 98 would just get so slow in the day I had to mandatory
restart the PC. Memory management was just lousy, so I moved to 2000 and it
was dream ever since.
--
--
Andre
Windows Connected | http://www.windowsconnected.com
Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com
Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre
http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta

yes exactly... I WISH it was marketed for the general public... since it
would have saved me 2 years of really bad computing! I was working on huge
graphics then and win98 just couldnt handle what I was trying to do,
and that meant crashes all the times and restarts.......

Because Win2k wasn't for the general public. The "Pro" was stressed by
MS's
marketing, and that steered away many end-users. You may not have
noticed,
but there never was a "home" flavour for Win2k.
--
Pierre Szwarc
Paris, France
PGP key ID 0x75B5779B
------------------------------------------------
Multitasking: Reading in the bathroom !
------------------------------------------------

"Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" <[email protected]> a écrit dans le
message
de news: (e-mail address removed)...
|I don't know why they would have a riot, since Windows 2000 existed at
the
| time.

 

[Pierre Szwarc]

I'm not saying that, please don't twist my words. All I'm saying is, many
people chose Win98 and WinME over Win2k because they were so steered by
Microsoft's marketing. Being a computer professional, I ran my home machine
under NT4, then Win2k, then XP Pro, while the general run-of-the-mill
end-user labored under Win98, then WinME, before moving on to XP Home –
which, although crippled, is light-years ahead of Win9x/ME in terms of
usability and reliability.
--
Pierre Szwarc
Paris, France
PGP key ID 0x75B5779B
------------------------------------------------
Multitasking: Reading in the bathroom !
------------------------------------------------

"Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" <[email protected]> a écrit dans le message
de news: (e-mail address removed)...
| Uh, and you are saying Linux is for general public? I ran 2000 on my home
| machine from March of 2001 up to June 2003 without any issues.

 

[Andre Da Costa [Extended64]]

Of course marketing had a role to play in the 2000 for Business, ME for
Consumers fiasco. I personally saw the ME release as Microsoft's effort to
make a squeeze just before XP was released in 2000, in some ways it
backfired, but they were still successful, since most name brand OEMs
bundled it with their machines. I ran NT 4 for a while also, but the Service
Packs were such a chore and caused too many BSODs so I moved to 98 which I
considered to be more stable.
--
--
Andre
Windows Connected | http://www.windowsconnected.com
Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com
Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre
http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta