Videocard upgrade help - From total crap to something usable

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Darthy

My comp.conf. _now_:
Celeron 1.7
256 RAM
GeForce 4 MX 440 <- _This_ is total crap. And I want something usable,
but as cheap as possible.
Like some Radeon 9600 SE? It's cheaper than GF4Ti, deas that mean I'm
out of my mind if I bought that one? What about GF FX 5600 XT 128Mb 64
bit or 128 bit (Pixelview, if it means anything...) If you tell me
it's better than GF4Ti, I'll buy that one.

OOPS! On my previous post, it was QUALITY performance, not RAW horse
power... here ya go... Ti4200 vs MX440 vs 9600se vs 5600XT...

http://www6.tomshardware.com/graphic/20031229/vga-charts-03.html#unreal_tournament_2003

UT2003 uses the same Unreal2 engine.

Notice how the 440mx/9600se are both about 28fps... The 5600XT 128bit
should be about 32fps... 64bit, about 20fps... TI4200 is in the 50s.
And all these on a very fast system...

YOu'd be spending about $100USD and get nothing out of it...
 
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Tom Scales

What are you smoking? The Celeron isn't fantastic, but it's a heck of a lot
faster than a P3-750.

P4-3.2 is FIVE times faster.

No way.

MAYBE twice as fast, but more likely about 75% faster or under twice as
fast.

The C-1.7 will benefit from a lot more video card than you give it credit
for.

Tom


"> The Celeron 1700 = Pentium3=750(or OLD Celeron 1.0) or so.... get mad
 
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Kevin Miller

WIMPS!!

Commdore Vic20 - 3.5K RAM... 8 colors. 22col b 20 rol character
graphics... and I loved it... "If only I could afford that 8K ram
expander!!"

I need to make a correction:

My very first computer was a Timex/Sinclair 2048 color computer.

Kevin Miller

"The avalanche has already started;
it is too late for the pebbles to vote."
 
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Tamas

Oh boy, is it really _that_ serious? Peepo around me told me I should
buy some 9600 non-SE as I've heard it hear as well, so I asked about
them via a new message thread. But my proc. being that slow - would it
be a waste-a-money?
*Sigh* buying a P4 nonC as well would double the expenses. Well, I can
buy that P4 some time later anyway, can't I?
Anyway, thanks everybody for the help! You've prevented me making a
mistake by buying one of those crappy cards (I mean the 9600SE and the
GF FX 5600 XT), and opened my eyes a little. (Gee, knowing things
about hardware seems a little tough for me - and not knowing about
them is _really_ hazardous.)
 
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Darthy

Oh boy, is it really _that_ serious? Peepo around me told me I should
buy some 9600 non-SE as I've heard it hear as well, so I asked about
them via a new message thread. But my proc. being that slow - would it
be a waste-a-money?
*Sigh* buying a P4 nonC as well would double the expenses. Well, I can
buy that P4 some time later anyway, can't I?
Anyway, thanks everybody for the help! You've prevented me making a
mistake by buying one of those crappy cards (I mean the 9600SE and the
GF FX 5600 XT), and opened my eyes a little. (Gee, knowing things
about hardware seems a little tough for me - and not knowing about
them is _really_ hazardous.)

Glad to have helped... read, experince and learn... WE ALL DO...
NOBODY just knows this shit.... well some say they do, but they got
mental problems.
 
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Darthy

What are you smoking? The Celeron isn't fantastic, but it's a heck of a lot
faster than a P3-750.

P4-3.2 is FIVE times faster.

No way.

MAYBE twice as fast, but more likely about 75% faster or under twice as
fast.

The C-1.7 will benefit from a lot more video card than you give it credit
for.

And you based your information on what? You're like a 7yr old boy
who says "UH UH" when someone tells him a fact.

1 - Celeron (P4) is a cheaper, severly reduced function version of the
P4 (most likely, many of them are FAILED P4s - SOP) Considering that
the 2ghz Celeron = 1ghz P3, I chopped off another 300Mhz for the
slower 1.7 Celeron. Because of the somewhat flawed design of the
P4, the reduction of its CACHE causes the CPU to take a severe
performance hit - in a way that an AMD/P3/Centrino CPUs are not.
(Note: Todays HIGH speed P4s are very fast, yes)

2 - The P4 1.6Ghz performs about the same as a 900Mhz P3 setup...
While consumers were buying P4s, business were buying P3s for low cost
servers for years instead. With this in consideration, The celeron
P4 core is even slower.

3 - I take the user's lack of memory (256mb PC/ 333mhz - could be
worse - like the poor slobs who bought the PC-133 P4 systems) to a P4
3.2Ghz using 1gigabyte of Dual Channel 533Mhz memory! The memory,
the CPU, the motherboard together increases the performance. There
is more to CPU that just MHz.

4 - Take a hint, a lot of people are calling the Celerons shit for a
reason.

5 - Give it credit? I and others provided statistical information
regarding performance of video cards and CPU and their combonations.
If these were not ISSUES, people wouldn't be buying 3000Mhz computers
with $400 video cards.

Here, make it easy for you - read this article:
http://www.anandtech.com/cpu/showdoc.html?i=1927&p=1

The test involved used the ATi9800 Pro and 512mb of RAM.
All 18 pages, and let me know what you think.
 
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Dark Avenger

Come ON people! Is _everybody_ that maximalist here? I need help, not
disregards about my hardware. :-(

Look Tamas, your CURRENT card is alrady waiting the processor to give
it's information!

Very probably your GF4 MX 440 ( wich is relatively slow yes ) can
perform twice as fast with a real processor and a bit more memory!

Don't say the card is crap if your CPU is here the problem!
 
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