Using SMTP

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Guest

I have a Marketing Director/Graphic Artist who needs to have more liberal
eMail permissions than is available through most 3rd party eMail hosting
services.

I would like to set up SMTP service on his local windows XP pro machine.

He is in a peer to peer network environment.

I have installed the smtp service.

I am trying to configure his pop eMail account to use this local service to
send his eMail.

I have tried to use smtp.domain name as shown under domains in IIS

When I test the setting it tells me that it is unable to connect.

What am I missing?

Thanks,
Albert
 
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Pegasus \(MVP\)

Albert Bricker said:
I have a Marketing Director/Graphic Artist who needs to have more liberal
eMail permissions than is available through most 3rd party eMail hosting
services.

I would like to set up SMTP service on his local windows XP pro machine.

He is in a peer to peer network environment.

I have installed the smtp service.

I am trying to configure his pop eMail account to use this local service to
send his eMail.

I have tried to use smtp.domain name as shown under domains in IIS

When I test the setting it tells me that it is unable to connect.

What am I missing?

Thanks,
Albert

What do you mean with "more liberal eMail permissions than
is available through most 3rd party eMail hosting services."?
 
G

Guest

This is a membership non-profit agency and he needs to be able to send out
bulk eMails to his members. His current ISP only allows about 20 receipents
per eMail. He also needs to be able to send large files to the printer.
Currently he is limited to 10MB.

ie: he needs more liberal permission to send eMail than is currently allowed
by his ISP.

Albert
 
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Pegasus \(MVP\)

Instead of spending a lot of time and effort re-inventing the
wheel, you might want to consider using an external mail
server. It could be anywhere in any country. I use one of
them and it costs me around US$10.00 per month plus US$10.00
per year for a domain name. For this I get around 200 MBytes
of disk space and any number of self-managed mail boxes.
 
G

Guest

This is an excellent idea. However, I cannot find one that will allow the
sending of a newsletter to over 1000 receipents at a time. In addition I
cannot find one that will allow attachments of up to 50MB or more at a time.

I have researched this solution and I have tried to get them to install a
Small Business Network to no avail.

Now this is the solution I am working on and I simply need an answer to my
question.

Thanks,
 
P

Patrick Keenan

Pegasus (MVP) said:
Instead of spending a lot of time and effort re-inventing the
wheel, you might want to consider using an external mail
server. It could be anywhere in any country. I use one of
them and it costs me around US$10.00 per month plus US$10.00
per year for a domain name. For this I get around 200 MBytes
of disk space and any number of self-managed mail boxes.

With some ISPs and SMTP servers, this can require extra considerations to
work. The ISP I use at home does not permit connection to 3rd party SMTP
servers (at least on port 25). I distribute a document to a list, and the
company SMTP server (on port 25) can't be reached from my home. Yet that
same server *can* be reached, with no problem, from many other locations
that have business-level ISP accounts.

You can try gmail to test smtp access and for larger file sizes.

However, there are better ways to transfer large files than by email.
Post them to an FTP space, and email the printer a link to download them.
This will have the added benefit of not trying up the recipient's mail.


HTH
-pk
 
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NoStop

Instead of spending a lot of time and effort re-inventing the
wheel, you might want to consider using an external mail
server. It could be anywhere in any country. I use one of
them and it costs me around US$10.00 per month plus US$10.00
per year for a domain name. For this I get around 200 MBytes
of disk space and any number of self-managed mail boxes.
Why don't you admit up-front that you have no idea about how the OP can do
what he wants, rather than querying him on why he wants to do it and then
suggest he not do it, but spend money to get the service some place else?
Do you just like to hear yourself talk so that you can maintain your MVP
status? Geez.


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Patrick Keenan

Albert Bricker said:
This is an excellent idea. However, I cannot find one that will allow the
sending of a newsletter to over 1000 receipents at a time.

What about breaking that up to smaller groups, say 10 canned emails of 100
recipients each? Once the templates are set up, the sends should take only
a few minutes. Or, create a script to automate individual sends addressed
sequentially to members of a list.
In addition I
cannot find one that will allow attachments of up to 50MB or more at a
time.

There's a pretty good reason for that. Email isn't really appropriate for
files that large.
I have researched this solution and I have tried to get them to install a
Small Business Network to no avail.

No need to. Set up an FTP server or rent online space. It's much easier
and inexpensive.
Now this is the solution I am working on and I simply need an answer to my
question.

I'm sorry, but from me, the simple answer is that I don't think this is a
particularly practical solution to this requirement.

One of the simple reasons is that there could be significant problems with
your solution, as it also requires that the recipient's email system be much
more than capable of handling 50 meg attachments and that neither party mind
losing access to their mail during the transfers. This may be outside your
control.

You may also discover that the recipient's IT group gets complaints of poor
mail server performance and decide to limit the attachment size without
telling you.

Have you checked that the recipient's mail system supports this plan, and
that they are willing to tie up their mail server for such large chunks of
data? A 50-meg file can take 10 - 30 minutes or more to transfer.

During that time, no other mail will arrive or be sent to the relevant
mailboxes, and you may find that both the recipient and the sender object to
this. In fact, you may find that everyone else using either mail system
at that time objects when the server performance degrades for half an hour
or more. Unless of course their server just crashes... neither of which
will be popular.

I regularly have to shift chunks of data (audio files) larger than this
(one is 80 meg today), and have found that the best method is to obtain
online storage space and simply send a notification and login information.
Today we are using www.swapdrive.com for this, and it's working well. You
will probably find that the transfer times are considerably less, both in
reality and perception. And, it does not negatively impact anyone else's
ability to work.

Another significant problem with using email is the possibility of file
corruption. The file integrity will probably need to be verified by way of
checksum. If the file comes by email and the checksums don't match, it
will not be convenient to re-download it. The file will have to be resent,
tying up the mail servers again, with no guarantee that the same problems
won't occur.

But, if you use, say, an FTP server or something like Swapdrive, the
designer can get the checksum, upload the file, download it and verify the
checksum, and notify the printer of the location and checksum. Often the
checksum is stored in the same folder as a text file. This is a very
simple and very common way of safely performing this kind of transfer.

If that's not done, there is *no* way for the designer to be sure that what
the printer downloads is exactly what was uploaded.

And when errors occur, as they will, and the files don't match and costs are
incurred, who will hold responsibility? You want that to not be *you*.

HTH
-pk
 
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Pegasus \(MVP\)

Why don't you admit up-front that you have no idea about how the OP can do
what he wants, rather than querying him on why he wants to do it and then
suggest he not do it, but spend money to get the service some place else?
Do you just like to hear yourself talk so that you can maintain your MVP
status? Geez.

I admit it: I don't have the faintest idea what the
OP is talking about. Do you? What would you
suggest?
 
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NoStop

I admit it: I don't have the faintest idea what the
OP is talking about. Do you? What would you
suggest?

There is little point in me suggesting something because I'd tell him to go
with a Linux mail server. But he'd have to be running a real operating
system to do so, so that point is moot I guess. :)


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http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2370205018226686613

Is this a modern day equivalent of a Nazi youth rally?:

http://www.ntk.net/media/developers.mpg

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Pegasus \(MVP\)

NoStop said:
There is little point in me suggesting something because I'd tell him to go
with a Linux mail server. But he'd have to be running a real operating
system to do so, so that point is moot I guess. :)

I now wonder why you participate in the discussion,
since by your own admission you cannot help the OP.
 
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NoStop

I now wonder why you participate in the discussion,
since by your own admission you cannot help the OP.

And why did you since by your own admission you couldn't help either? I was
simply pointing out that you couldn't help. Had I been able to help the OP,
I would have done so. But I'm not a MickeyMouse MVP and hence don't feel
guilty about not knowing all-things-Windoze. On the other, you should. :)


--
WGA is the best thing that has happened for Linux in a while.

The ULTIMATE Windoze Fanboy:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2370205018226686613

Is this a modern day equivalent of a Nazi youth rally?:

http://www.ntk.net/media/developers.mpg

A 3D Linux Desktop (video) ...


View Some Common Linux Desktops ...
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Pegasus \(MVP\)

NoStop said:
And why did you since by your own admission you couldn't help either?

Perhaps you might refresh the meaning of the word
"ironic" when reading my previous reply. Furthermore
I never respond to a question unless I can make a
helpful suggestion, even if it's only a work-around. Putting
in a plug for Linux in a Windows newsgroup is not my
style - if the OP wanted a Linux solution then he would
have posted in a Linux newsgroup.
 
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HeyBub

Albert said:
This is an excellent idea. However, I cannot find one that will
allow the sending of a newsletter to over 1000 receipents at a time.
In addition I cannot find one that will allow attachments of up to
50MB or more at a time.

I have researched this solution and I have tried to get them to
install a Small Business Network to no avail.

Now this is the solution I am working on and I simply need an answer
to my question.

You're not a spammer trying to send naughty pictures, are you?
 
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NoStop

You're not a spammer trying to send naughty pictures, are you?

You're not an idiot posing as a Wintard are you? Certainly looks like you
are when you come up with such silly statements.


--
WGA is the best thing that has happened for Linux in a while.

The ULTIMATE Windoze Fanboy:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2370205018226686613

Is this a modern day equivalent of a Nazi youth rally?:

http://www.ntk.net/media/developers.mpg

A 3D Linux Desktop (video) ...


View Some Common Linux Desktops ...
http://shots.osdir.com/
 

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