Upgrading to Vista

[Desmond]

I fave a Hard disc with the following
C: 19.5G
D: 19.5G
E: 25.3G
F: 10.0G

My question is. Can I upgrade to vista on C: as other partitons have
documents on it. Will Vista alow me to create Vista new from scratch
instead of upgrading files only. This is going to be the upgrade
version.

Desmond.

 

[Ed Cregger]

I fave a Hard disc with the following
C: 19.5G
D: 19.5G
E: 25.3G
F: 10.0G

My question is. Can I upgrade to vista on C: as other partitons have
documents on it. Will Vista alow me to create Vista new from scratch
instead of upgrading files only. This is going to be the upgrade
version.

Desmond.

Vista is not an upgrade. Save your money and effort. Once you get it on
there, it is a bear to remove. You have been warned.

Ed Cregger

 

[Desmond]

Vista is not an upgrade. Save your money and effort. Once you get it on
there, it is a bear to remove. You have been warned.

Ed Cregger

There is software available for a company that sell to charity at a
discount. This item is
Windows Vista Business 64 bit Upgrade (includes software Assurance
what ever that is)

It might be a bear to remove, but because windows slows down as and
windows folders become bloated with extras,
I use norton Ghost. If I want to remove it and go back to XP it is a 5
minute operation.

But tell me why it is hard to remove. XP was from upgrading but that
was down to the NTFS format wasn't it?

Also what is software Assurance

 

[Desmond]

Vista is not an upgrade. Save your money and effort. Once you get it on
there, it is a bear to remove. You have been warned.

Ed Cregger

Sorry. Additional Info

http://www.ctxchange.org/ctx/browse_products/microsoft/ls40918/default.asp

Desmond.

 

[Ed Cregger]

There is software available for a company that sell to charity at a
discount. This item is
Windows Vista Business 64 bit Upgrade (includes software Assurance
what ever that is)

It might be a bear to remove, but because windows slows down as and
windows folders become bloated with extras,
I use norton Ghost. If I want to remove it and go back to XP it is a 5
minute operation.

But tell me why it is hard to remove. XP was from upgrading but that
was down to the NTFS format wasn't it?

Also what is software Assurance

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I'm not an expert, Desmond. Most folks on this newsgroup know far more
than I. As to why it is hard to remove, I have no idea. But one
shouldn't have to resort to third party software in order to remove an
operating system if one so chooses. It appears that once again,
Microsoft feels that they know better than we do what we need/want and
they intentionally made it so that removing Vista is a PITA. It makes
one wonder what their agenda really is.

I have had Vista on two computers so far. One, a brand new Dell XPS with
the fastest chip available was an out and out pig right out of the box.
My several year old Dell 2.8 GHz 32 bit machine running XP was capable
of running circles around this alleged 64 bit CPU, Vista Business
running machine. At a price of $2k, I would think that it would at least
be a tad faster than the computer that it was replacing.

When I went to remove Visa and install XP Pro, it blocked me at every move.

When the customer service rep at Dell called and asked what she could do
to make me happy, I said to give me a refund. She did.

Then I bought a cheap Acer laptop for the wife. It came with Vista. This
machine crawls so slow that it is unusable. Once again, I attempted to
remove Vista. No go. Won't budge. She's not a "send it back" kind of
person like me. It sits in her sewing room unused. To say that I loathe
Vista would be to put it mildly.

Yeah, the pros out there can probably make it work or remove it (Vista),
but I've been at this PC thing for over two decades now and have built
my own machines and repaired plenty of others. No, I'm not a hotshot at
PC computers, but I know about a thousand times more than the average
end user and I can't get the things to work satisfactorily with Vista.
If I can't, how is the average person going to fare? They aren't.

I have a lot of good software than runs just fine on XP, but either
doesn't run on Vista or doesn't have Vista drivers available. Who needs
that? All disadvantages and no advantages. I would call that a bad buy.

Ed Cregger

 

[Ed Cregger]

There is software available for a company that sell to charity at a
discount. This item is
Windows Vista Business 64 bit Upgrade (includes software Assurance
what ever that is)

It might be a bear to remove, but because windows slows down as and
windows folders become bloated with extras,
I use norton Ghost. If I want to remove it and go back to XP it is a 5
minute operation.

But tell me why it is hard to remove. XP was from upgrading but that
was down to the NTFS format wasn't it?

Also what is software Assurance

-----------


I'm not an expert, Desmond. Most folks on this newsgroup know far more
than I. As to why it is hard to remove, I have no idea. But one
shouldn't have to resort to third party software in order to remove an
operating system if one so chooses. It appears that once again,
Microsoft feels that they know better than we do what we need/want and
they intentionally made it so that removing Vista is a PITA. It makes
one wonder what their agenda really is.

I have had Vista on two computers so far. One, a brand new Dell XPS with
the fastest chip available was an out and out pig right out of the box.
My several year old Dell 2.8 GHz 32 bit machine running XP was capable
of running circles around this alleged 64 bit CPU, Vista Business
running machine. At a price of $2k, I would think that it would at least
be a tad faster than the computer that it was replacing.

When I went to remove Visa and install XP Pro, it blocked me at every move.

When the customer service rep at Dell called and asked what she could do
to make me happy, I said to give me a refund. She did.

Then I bought a cheap Acer laptop for the wife. It came with Vista. This
machine crawls so slow that it is unusable. Once again, I attempted to
remove Vista. No go. Won't budge. She's not a "send it back" kind of
person like me. It sits in her sewing room unused. To say that I loathe
Vista would be to put it mildly.

Yeah, the pros out there can probably make it work or remove it (Vista),
but I've been at this PC thing for over two decades now and have built
my own machines and repaired plenty of others. No, I'm not a hotshot at
PC computers, but I know about a thousand times more than the average
end user and I can't get the things to work satisfactorily with Vista.
If I can't, how is the average person going to fare? They aren't.

I have a lot of good software than runs just fine on XP, but either
doesn't run on Vista or doesn't have Vista drivers available. Who needs
that? All disadvantages and no advantages. I would call that a bad buy.

Ed Cregger

 

[Nil]

Vista is not an upgrade. Save your money and effort. Once you get
it on there, it is a bear to remove. You have been warned.

I can't imagine that you tried very hard. All you have to do is
reformat the disk.

Operating systems aren't intended to install and uninstall like an
application.

How easy would it be to swap the foundation of your house for another?

 

[Desmond]

I can't imagine that you tried very hard. All you have to do is
reformat the disk.

Operating systems aren't intended to install and uninstall like an
application.

How easy would it be to swap the foundation of your house for another?

No when I mentioned Norton Ghost. I use that for mysel as well as
helping others out. If there children screw up the computer for
example, It only costs me 5 minutes. If I was going to upgrade to
Vista i would dam well make an image first.
The original Q was can I upgrade to Vista on C: 19.5G 2. what is this
(includes software Assurance ) And if this Vista is an upgrade as it
states can it be made to do a complete inst overwriting all like XP
did

Desmond.

 

[ToolPackinMama]

But tell me why it is hard to remove. XP was from upgrading but that
was down to the NTFS format wasn't it?

Is it true that if you install the upgrade version of Vista overXP that
it will invalidate your XP key - you won't be able to simply go back?

 

[ToolPackinMama]

Then I bought a cheap Acer laptop for the wife. It came with Vista. This
machine crawls so slow that it is unusable. Once again, I attempted to
remove Vista. No go. Won't budge. She's not a "send it back" kind of
person like me. It sits in her sewing room unused.

Just reformat the HD? That will get rid of Vista.

I have a lot of good software than runs just fine on XP, but either
doesn't run on Vista or doesn't have Vista drivers available. Who needs
that? All disadvantages and no advantages. I would call that a bad buy.

I agree.

I have both XP Pro and Vista 64 (as well as Ubuntu 64) and the OS I use
on a daily basis is XP. Vista sucks. For 64 the drivers are not
available things as basic as MICE.

 

[Desmond]

Just reformat the HD? That will get rid of Vista.


I agree.

I have both XP Pro and Vista 64 (as well as Ubuntu 64) and the OS I use
on a daily basis is XP. Vista sucks. For 64 the drivers are not
available things as basic as MICE.

=============
Is it true that if you install the upgrade version of Vista overXP
that
it will invalidate your XP key - you won't be able to simply go back?
=========
No I did not say that.

OR
But tell me why it is hard to remove. XP was from upgrading but that
was down to the NTFS format wasn't it?

What I said was If I upgrade to Vista from XP will it be an add onn.
Can nobody remember ever installing windows upgrade and being asked if
you want to upgrade or have a fresh instalation. I do and i was asking
if this would happen on a Vista Upgrade CD. nothing about invalid XP
codes.

People used to have windows 98 before they upgraded to XP but that was
more to do with Windows98 fat16 and XP NTFS. simply removing was not
an option.

Once you get it on there, it is a bear to remove. You have been
warned.
This is not a problem for me and never has been.

I supose I will never get the answers to my questions of can I put
Vista on my CD drive 19.5G
OR what is WHAT (includes software Assurance) is
OR can I get the option of Vista creating a fresh version of VISTA
overwriting all data including
my documents and No this is not an issue either as all my valuble data
is on d:

But what the heck, I only asked a few simple questions

 

[Michael Cecil]

Just reformat the HD? That will get rid of Vista.


I agree.

I have both XP Pro and Vista 64 (as well as Ubuntu 64) and the OS I use
on a daily basis is XP. Vista sucks. For 64 the drivers are not
available things as basic as MICE.

That's similar to my setup and I too just use XP for everything. I didn't
have a problem with drivers though. Vista is pretty but it does suck.
Except for the Mahjongg game.

 

[DaveW]

The Vista UPGRADE version will REQUIRE that you already have XP installed on
C: and then upgrade it. It will NOT let you do a fresh install. You can
thank Microsoft for this new policy.

 

[class_a]

The Vista UPGRADE version will REQUIRE that you already have XP installed on
C: and then upgrade it. It will NOT let you do a fresh install. You can
thank Microsoft for this new policy.

You missed "money-grabbing" between 'new' and 'policy'

 

[Ron]

I fave a Hard disc with the following
C: 19.5G
D: 19.5G
E: 25.3G
F: 10.0G

My question is. Can I upgrade to vista on C: as other partitons have
documents on it. Will Vista alow me to create Vista new from scratch
instead of upgrading files only. This is going to be the upgrade
version.

Desmond.

If those are your hard drives sizes, extrapolating what your PC must
spec out to be, I would not even consider upgrading to Vista.

An 'upgrade' from XP will take about 15GB of your drive. The Vista
upgrade pretty much takes all of your old installation (apps and data)
and puts it in a directory so you can access your old data. None of
your program shortcuts will be there. I had to install Vista ready
versions of any apps I wanted to use. All of my data on the drive was
saved and once I set everything up, I deleted the old folder. You end
up with a 'scratch' install with an upgrade. HTH.

 

[Frank McCoy]

You missed "money-grabbing" between 'new' and 'policy'

It ain't a "new" policy at all.
All previous "upgrade" editions from Micro$hit have required that you
already have an installed OS. That's from Win-95 on at the very least;
and I *think* from before that.

They'll install and reformat *over* an old OS, but won't install without
one already there.

That's what they *mean* by "upgrade edition".
So, in that way, they ain't lying.
If you want a full installation disk you have to *buy* the full
installation disk.

 

[Frank McCoy]

If those are your hard drives sizes, extrapolating what your PC must
spec out to be, I would not even consider upgrading to Vista.

An 'upgrade' from XP will take about 15GB of your drive. The Vista
upgrade pretty much takes all of your old installation (apps and data)
and puts it in a directory so you can access your old data. None of
your program shortcuts will be there. I had to install Vista ready
versions of any apps I wanted to use. All of my data on the drive was
saved and once I set everything up, I deleted the old folder. You end
up with a 'scratch' install with an upgrade. HTH.

If you're like me, it's *nice* to save your data; and sometimes you
*forget* to save something important. On a new install, even from clear
back on Win-95, I always do the *save everything in a directory* thing
and only delete that once I've found it's been several months since I
last even looked in that directory.

 

[Bob Knowlden]

If you install the 64 bit version of Vista, it can't be as an upgrade over a
32 bit version of Windows. It will be a new operating system installation,
requiring all applications to be re-installed.

Upgrade versions of Vista are quite a bit different from XP upgrade
versions. Just having an install CD for a qualifying OS isn't adequate. For
example: you usually have to boot the install DVD from a working version of
a qualifying OS. (I believe that the 64 bit upgrade version can be booted
from the DVD if a 32 bit qualifying OS is present, as the DVD won't boot
under a 32 bit OS.)

There is a work-around: install Vista without a product key, which gives you
a 30 day demo version of the OS. The upgrade DVD can be booted from that.
So, you can install onto a blank hard drive using an upgrade DVD without
installing an older OS; you simply have to install Vista twice.

I wish that I'd sprung for the full version. The upgrade install DVD has
other limitations, like it seems to be unwilling to reformat a boot
partition that contains Vista. I had to go back to my XP install CD to
reformat the partition. Getting free of all the restrictions could be worth
the extra cash.

Along with another poster, I question whether putting Vista on your system
is practical. You have an 80 GB drive, which suggests that your system may
be a bit small for Vista. (I hope that you have at least 1 GB of RAM.)

If you simply must go with Vista for whatever reason, be sure to check
whether drivers exist for all your peripherals. I have Vista Home Premium
64. So far, the major unplanned expense was upgrading Photoshop: CS2 had
problems with my installation. (Photoshop CS2 runs under Vista for many
people, but Adobe doesn't support it for that OS.) Going to CS3 fixed it.


Return address scrambled. Replace nkbob with bobkn.

 

[Michael Cecil]

The Vista UPGRADE version will REQUIRE that you already have XP installed on
C: and then upgrade it. It will NOT let you do a fresh install. You can
thank Microsoft for this new policy.

Actually you don't need XP at all to do an upgrade.

Just install Vista without inputting a product key. Then do an upgrade
the expected way. The initial unactivated Vista meets the upgrade
requirements.

 

[Michael Cecil]

If you're like me, it's *nice* to save your data; and sometimes you
*forget* to save something important. On a new install, even from clear
back on Win-95, I always do the *save everything in a directory* thing
and only delete that once I've found it's been several months since I
last even looked in that directory.

I do a similar thing, except I just make an image of the drive or
partition. That way not only can I retrieve any forgotten files, I can
also just go back if I want.