unbelievable, blue screen on vista

[michail iakovou yos]

I tried to boot back into vista today...
and I got a blue screen, something about 0x0000 007B
I think?

I think this is related to my effort to add a bootloader (osloader 2000 that
claims vista compatibility)
so XP wont delete the vista restore points....

I removed the bootloader...
I also tried to restore the vista bootloader with vistabootpro 3.1, it did
restore it (it never said it was not working anyway)
with no luck... since after the bootloader the BSOD is there

Vista is starting to get on my nerves.. it should have
been compatible so that XP wouldnt delete the restore points in the first
place...

What vista imbecile left this compatibility issue unresolved?

If someone gives me an option I will try one last time to fix the BSOD. How
do I do a repair on vista?

If not I will format the vista parition one last time and do a repair on the
xp bootloader.. and thats it.

No more vista...good riddens!

 

[Beck]

I tried to boot back into vista today...
and I got a blue screen, something about 0x0000 007B
I think?

I think this is related to my effort to add a bootloader (osloader 2000
that claims vista compatibility)
so XP wont delete the vista restore points....

I removed the bootloader...
I also tried to restore the vista bootloader with vistabootpro 3.1, it did
restore it (it never said it was not working anyway)
with no luck... since after the bootloader the BSOD is there

Vista is starting to get on my nerves.. it should have
been compatible so that XP wouldnt delete the restore points in the first
place...

What vista imbecile left this compatibility issue unresolved?

If someone gives me an option I will try one last time to fix the BSOD.
How do I do a repair on vista?

If not I will format the vista parition one last time and do a repair on
the xp bootloader.. and thats it.

No more vista...good riddens!

You assume Vista was at fault. Maybe it was the bootloader that corrupted
your install.
To repair your Vista, boot with the Vista DVD until you get to the install
screen. Follow the prompts until you get to repair install option and you
can repair the boot in there.

 

[John Barnett MVP]

Vista not keeping restore points on a dual boot system with XP is due to the
shadow copy feature in Vista. I agree it is a pain in the neck. It can be
got around (assuming you have Vista Enterpirse or Ultimate) by using
bitlocker encryption. At least this works. An alternative was to hide the
vista partition from XP, but while some have had success, I, unfortunately,
haven't.

The general fix for this problem is a large amount of recoding of the XP
shadow copy feature something, i am told, Microsoft will not do. So those of
us that dual boot must simply live with the problem or, as i am leaning to,
install XP on a Virtual Machine such as VMware workstation or VPC 2007.

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[michail iakovou yos]

I did not say that it was vistas fault for the BSOD,
but that it doesn't have XP compatibility in the first place
so you wouldn't need a bootloader!

You should be able to dual boot all MS OS without problems..
what is this? XP deleting Vistas restore points? Unacceptable!

This is a blundering mistake from Microsoft...

 

[michail iakovou yos]

I tried the bitlocker thing... because I have RC2 so I have ultimate..
snobby vista said my bios was not good enough for it and it lacked this>>

http://img301.imageshack.us/img301/2965/captureda4.jpg

the other option was to use a usb stick which this pc has trouble with when
booting
with that pluged in...

How can I do a repair installation of all of vista.. similar to that of XP?
(not only the bootloader)

I do not forgive microsoft for such mistakes.. they had 5 years to make
everything work..

 

[Michael Jennings]

You are not prepared to restore a Vista image you have backed up?
That's what I did when Vista objected to my rearranging its boot.
Since you prefer OE to WinMail (as do I), you should either stick
with XP, or get an imaging program - BootItNG is a good value.
news://terabyteunlimited.com/public.apps.bootitng

 

[michail iakovou yos]

I had not installed many programs yet to vista so it would warrant a backup
image
and writing to DVD...

I don't understand what you are saying about winmail or OE. I am using OE
because
I am on XP because I cant boot into firkin vista

 

[Colin Barnhorst]

I agree that it is unacceptible. That's why I don't dual boot with XP
except on one test box. The next window of opportunity for getting the
volsnap.sys incompatibility addressed would be XP SP3 beta (later this year)
so be sure to sign up for the beta if you have the chance. I plan on making
some noise there if I get in.

 

[Dennis Pack]

Michail:
In an earlier post you requested information on setting up BitLocker
without TPM. The instructions in the step-by-step guide available at
http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/windowsvista/aa905089.aspx work. You will
need a USB stick drive. In scenario 1; step 10 set the size to 1700 instead
of 1500, 1.5GB is needed for proper function. In scenario 1; step 13 adding
size=(desired partition size) will create a partition size that you want
instead of the rest of the hard drive. After installing the operating system
in scenario 1; step 21 follow the directions in scenario 3 to enable
BitLocker without TPM. There is a tool supposed to be coming to setup
BitLocker but the guide will work if followed completely until the tool is
available.

 

[MICHAEL]

You don't have to have TPM to use BitLocker.

gpedit.msc>Computer Configuration>Windows Components>
BitLocker Drive Encryption> Control Panel Setup:Enable advanced startup options

Set it to Enabled.

Go back to Bitlocker and you'll see something like,
enable or use Bitlocker without TPM.

If you want to use BitLocker just to protect your Vista
partition and don't want to worry with a key on USB drives or
an extraordinarily long code to authenticate- after BitLocker
encrypts Vista, you can back into BitLocker and "turn it off".
It will ask you if you want to decrypt or turn it off. Turn it
off turns off authentication at startup, but it doesn't decrypt
the partition.

-Michael

 

[Beck]

I did not say that it was vistas fault for the BSOD,
but that it doesn't have XP compatibility in the first place
so you wouldn't need a bootloader!

You should be able to dual boot all MS OS without problems..
what is this? XP deleting Vistas restore points? Unacceptable!

This is a blundering mistake from Microsoft...

I agree with restore point issue is a serious issue and should have been
fixed way before it was released.

 

[michail iakovou yos]

My computer cannot boot with a USB drive.
If you encrypt your hard drive I can imagine that it would be very
hard to restore your data if something does wrong...

NO THANK YOU!

I repaired the XP bootloader
and formated the Vista partition.

no other help is needed.

 

[Colin Barnhorst]

The problem isn't a Vista issue so there was no way to fix it in Vista
before release. The problem is with XP. It requires backporting VSS Vista
style to XP.

 

[Rick Rogers]

Multibooting is the exception, not the norm. The vast majority of users
don't even know the capability exists, let alone know how to implement it.
It is isolated to a small number of geeks like ourselves, and this "problem"
is not a problem in a standard install. Vista, like any OS (including the
'nix variations), is designed so that it is the only OS on the computer.
None is designed specifically for multiboot environments, or with
interoperability with another OS in mind. Rather each is designed to replace
another OS, not compliment it.

--
Best of Luck,

Rick Rogers, aka "Nutcase" - Microsoft MVP

Windows help - www.rickrogers.org

 

[michail iakovou yos]

like any OS (including the

'nix variations), is designed so that it is the only OS on the computer.
None is designed specifically for multiboot environments, or with
interoperability with another OS in mind. Rather each is designed to
replace another OS, not compliment it.

I disagree... this is totally incorrect.

you cant accept the notion that vista screwed up?

 

[Beck]

The problem isn't a Vista issue so there was no way to fix it in Vista
before release. The problem is with XP. It requires backporting VSS
Vista style to XP.

Come on MS have been in this game for years. They could have done something
about how the system restore works between the two systems.

 

[MICHAEL]

Come on MS have been in this game for years. They could have done something
about how the system restore works between the two systems.

I hope they fix it. However, it comes down to numbers,
and the number of those who dual boot may not be large
enough for Microsoft to care.


-Michael

 

[Rick Rogers]

The fact that you don't like it or disagree doesn't make it "screwed up"
anymore than does my complaining about loss of compatibility for 16-bit
software in x64. It simply is not, and never was, designed for the usage you
are employing. It is designed to be the only operating system on your
computer. It's not a flaw no matter how much you want it to be. *If* it was
designed for multiboot environments, then the complaint would be valid,
otherwise not. Can you accept this notion? I'm not trying to be difficult or
give you a hard time, but you are trying to blame the OS for not doing
something it wasn't designed for.

--
Best of Luck,

Rick Rogers, aka "Nutcase" - Microsoft MVP

Windows help - www.rickrogers.org

 

[Dale]

My computer can boot with a USB drive but I still suggest against BitLocker
except for laptop PCs on the go. When back at the home port (either home or
office) make sure to backup all data to unencrypted storage.

Dale

 

[Chad Harris]

That's a good idea Colin. We could start making noise now as well and it
might help.

We never really got the story from Jill Zoeller [MSFT] or anyone else as to
why they couldn't correct this. At least I don't think I remember seeing it
on the threads, but correct me if I'm wrong. I also learned from you that
there were other related problems as well with a full system backup being
lost if you boot to XP on one of your posts last week, but I hope that could
be fixed.

It must have been difficult to correct, because I can't help thinking they
would have corrected it unless for a good reason but then again...

If you know the reasons why this could not be fixed, I'd appreciate seeing
it again if I forgot them.

I think a dual boot has its place for a lot of people, particularly at a
time like this as a new OS comes on the market, and I've found it awfully
useful. I like the idea you can always take XP with you on a box or a form
factor that has Vista on it.

CH