Unable to create home network

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wjvonde

I have to XP pc's - a desktop and a laptop.

They are connected with a simple 4-port router. The router is
cable-connected to the Internet.

Both the desktop and laptop connect OK to the Internet. The desktop is
accessible from the laptop in My Network Places. I can edit and save
desktop files from the laptop.

No matter what I try, the laptop is NOT accessible from the desktop.
The workgroup name and computer names look OK.

What am I doing wrong on the desktop in setting up the network?

Thanx.

wjvonde
 
M

Malke

wjvonde said:
I have to XP pc's - a desktop and a laptop.

They are connected with a simple 4-port router. The router is
cable-connected to the Internet.

Both the desktop and laptop connect OK to the Internet. The desktop is
accessible from the laptop in My Network Places. I can edit and save
desktop files from the laptop.

No matter what I try, the laptop is NOT accessible from the desktop.
The workgroup name and computer names look OK.

What am I doing wrong on the desktop in setting up the network?

Since I don't know what you've done or what operating systems the two
computers are running, all I can give you are general network
troubleshooting steps. Not everything may be applicable to your
situation, so just take the bits that are. It may look daunting, but if
you follow the steps at the links and suggestions below systematically
and calmly, you will have no difficulty in setting up your sharing.

Excellent, thorough, yet easy to understand article about File/Printer
Sharing in Vista. Includes details about sharing printers as well as
files and folders:
http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/bb727037.aspxThis link will
take you through Vista networking very well:

For XP, start by running the Network Setup Wizard on all machines (see
caveat in Item A below).

Problems sharing files between computers on a network are generally
caused by 1) a misconfigured firewall; or 2) inadvertently running two
firewalls such as the built-in Windows Firewall and a third-party
firewall; and/or 3) not having identical user accounts and passwords on
all Workgroup machines; 4) trying to create shares where the operating
system does not permit it. Read through the general networking tips
below and if you still are having difficulties, MVP Hans-Georg Michna
has an excellent small network troubleshooter here:

http://winhlp.com/wxnet.htm

Taking the time to go through his troubleshooter will usually pinpoint
the source of the problem(s).

Here are some general networking tips for home/small networks:

A. Configure firewalls on all machines to allow the Local Area Network
(LAN) traffic as trusted. With Windows Firewall, this means allowing
File/Printer Sharing on the Exceptions tab. Normally running the Network
Setup Wizard on XP will take care of this for those machines.The only
"gotcha" is that this will turn on the XPSP2 Windows Firewall. If you
aren't running a third-party firewall or have an antivirus with
"Internet Worm Protection" (like Norton 2006/07) which acts as a
firewall, then you're fine. With third-party firewalls, I usually
configure the LAN allowance with an IP range. Ex. would be
192.168.1.0-192.168.1.254. Obviously you would substitute your correct
subnet. Do not run more than one firewall.

B. With earlier Microsoft operating systems, the name of the Workgroup
didn't matter. Apparently it does with Vista, so put all computers in
the same Workgroup. This is done from the System applet in Control
Panel, Computer Name tab.

C. Create identical user accounts and passwords on all machines. If you
wish a machine to boot directly to the Desktop (into one particular
user's account) for convenience, you can do this. The instructions at
this link work for both XP and Vista:

Configure Windows to Automatically Login (MVP Ramesh) -
http://windowsxp.mvps.org/Autologon.htm

D. If one or more of the computers is XP Pro or Media Center:

1. If you need Pro's ability to set fine-grained permissions, turn off
Simple File Sharing (Folder Options>View tab) and create identical user
accounts/passwords on all computers.

2. If you don't care about using Pro's advanced features, leave the
Simple File Sharing enabled.

Simple File Sharing means that Guest (network) is enabled. This means
that anyone without a user account on the target system can use its
resources. This is a security hole but only you can decide if it matters
in your situation.

I think it is a good idea to create the identical user
accounts/passwords in any case when Vista machines are involved and it
isn't an onerous task with home/small networks.

E. Create shares as desired. XP Home does not permit sharing of users'
home directories (My Documents) or Program Files, but you can share
folders inside those directories. A better choice is to simply use the
Shared Documents folder. See the first link above for details about
Vista sharing.


Malke
 
S

Steven L Umbach

Malke gave some great advice and I concur that most likely a host or
software firewall is the issue on the laptop. Make sure that the built in
Windows Firewall has the exception for file and print sharing enabled and
any internet protection/antivirus program also trusts the local network.
Since you are behind a router try to disable any host or software firewall
even if just temporarily with the understanding that if you do that you
still may not see the laptop from the desktop right away but you should be
able to access it by it's IP address as shown when run ipconfig in the
command window on the laptop [enter cmd in run box if unsure of how to acess
command prompt]. Once you find that, on the desktop first verify you can
ping the laptop by entering the command ping xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx [where
xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx is the IP of the laptop] and get a reply. Once that is
confirmed in the run box of the desktop enter \\xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx [where
xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx is the IP of the laptop] and you should then see any shares
on the laptop and be able to access them assuming you have proper
permissions to them. See below for examples of the commands I mentioned

Steve

D:\WINDOWS\system32>ipconfig

Windows IP Configuration

Ethernet adapter Local Area Connection:

Connection-specific DNS Suffix . : umbach3.com
IP Address. . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.1.201
Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.0
Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.1.1



D:\WINDOWS\system32>ping 192.168.1.1

Pinging 192.168.1.1 with 32 bytes of data:

Reply from 192.168.1.1: bytes=32 time=5ms TTL=64
Reply from 192.168.1.1: bytes=32 time=4ms TTL=64
Reply from 192.168.1.1: bytes=32 time=8ms TTL=64
Reply from 192.168.1.1: bytes=32 time=5ms TTL=64

Ping statistics for 192.168.1.1:
Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
Minimum = 4ms, Maximum = 8ms, Average = 5ms
 
C

Chuck [MVP]

I have to XP pc's - a desktop and a laptop.

They are connected with a simple 4-port router. The router is
cable-connected to the Internet.

Both the desktop and laptop connect OK to the Internet. The desktop is
accessible from the laptop in My Network Places. I can edit and save
desktop files from the laptop.

No matter what I try, the laptop is NOT accessible from the desktop.
The workgroup name and computer names look OK.

What am I doing wrong on the desktop in setting up the network?

Thanx.

wjvonde

Both Malke and Steven discuss IP connectivity, which is part of the problem.
When you talk about lack of accessibility, are you talking about seeing a
computer, but getting an error message when trying to connect? Or not seeing
the computer at all?

If you don't see the one computer from the other, you will want to look for a
problem with the browser. I'm not mentioning Internet Explorer, the browser is
what allows you to see one computer from the other. I would diagnose the
problem, using logs from "browstat status" and "ipconfig /all". Read this
article, and linked articles, and follow instructions precisely (download
browstat!):
<http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/troubleshooting-network-neighborhood.html#AskingForHelp>
http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/troubleshooting-network-neighborhood.html#AskingForHelp

If you're getting an error message, what is the error?
<http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2006/01/look-at-complete-detail-in-error.html>
http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2006/01/look-at-complete-detail-in-error.html

--
Cheers,
Chuck, MS-MVP 2005-2007 [Windows - Networking]
http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/
Paranoia is not a problem, when it's a normal response from experience.
My email is AT DOT
actual address pchuck mvps org.
 
O

orlan madero

Did you run the Network setup wizard under Control Panel? Also what version of XP are you running? Home or Pro?
 
M

Malke

orlan said:
Did you run the Network setup wizard under Control Panel? Also what
version of XP are you running? Home or Pro?

No, but I don't know why you'd care. ;-) Seriously, you've replied (without
quoting any of the message to which you are referring) to a post that no
one but you and others using the same web interface can see. To the rest of
us, your post is completely unrelated to anything.

You're posting from a web interface that looks like a forum but really
isn't; it just slurps Usenet newsgroup postings. You'd be better off to set
up a real newsreader instead, which is easily done. The following links
will Explain All:

*****
Since you are using the web interface, you may not realize that this is
really a newsgroup. You will get far more out of this resource if you learn
to use a newsreader. There are many good newsreaders for Windows, but you
can use Outlook Express (XP) or Windows Mail (Vista) since you already have
it. Here are some links to information about newsgroups:

About Usenet:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usenet
http://www.faqs.org/faqs/ - Usenet FAQs from the Internet FAQ Archives
http://www.usenetmonster.com/infocenter/
http://www.elephantboycomputers.com/page2.html#Usenet - a brief explanation
of newsgroups

Outlook Express/Windows Mail as Newsreader:
http://michaelstevenstech.com/outlookexpressnewreader.htm
http://rickrogers.org/setupoe.htm
http://vistasupport.mvps.org/accessing_newsgrousp_with-windows_mail.htm

How to Post:
http://www.elephantboycomputers.com/page2.html#Usenet
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx/kb/555375 - How to Ask a Question
http://users.tpg.com.au/bzyhjr/liszt.htm - How Not to Get Technical Help on
Usenet


http://aumha.org/nntp.htm - list of MS newsgroups
microsoft.public.test.here - MS group to test if your newsreader is working
properly
http://www3.telus.net/dandemar/munad.htm - how to munge email address
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crossposting - crossposting
http://www.blakjak.demon.co.uk/mul_crss.htm - multiposting

Other Newsreaders for Windows:
http://www.forteinc.com/main/homepage.php - Forte
http://www.mozilla.org - Thunderbird
http://gravity.tbates.org/
http://www.40tude.com/dialog/
http://xnews.newsguy.com/
*****

Malke
 

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