Unable to connect to Win XP share from Win ME workstation

[Adrian]

ICS works fine, can ping from the WinME computer to the Win XP one. And the
XP one can see the shares on the ME one. But can I make the ME computer
connect to the shares on the XP SP2 computer. No. Get prompted for
password all the time, and even though I am logged on to Windows on the ME
machine with the same username as password as the XP machine on which the
shares are located, I can not connect.

It's as if the authentication is not being passed from ME machine to XP one.

Firewall is on, but not on the LAN, only on external connections.

Anyhelp much appreciated.

Thanks

Adrian

 

[Richard G. Harper]

If you're using the XP firewall try disabling it, for any other firewall try
uninstalling and see if your connection works then.

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[Adrian Beney]

Have disabled Windows Firewall (including stopping the service completely)
and symptoms are identical. No problem pinging the XP machine, but attempts
to map drives (or use printers on the XP machine) are all met the a
requirement to enter a network password.... :-((

Adrian

If you're using the XP firewall try disabling it, for any other firewall
try uninstalling and see if your connection works then.

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ICS works fine, can ping from the WinME computer to the Win XP one. And
the
XP one can see the shares on the ME one. But can I make the ME computer
connect to the shares on the XP SP2 computer. No. Get prompted for
password all the time, and even though I am logged on to Windows on the
ME
machine with the same username as password as the XP machine on which the
shares are located, I can not connect.

It's as if the authentication is not being passed from ME machine to XP
one.

Firewall is on, but not on the LAN, only on external connections.

Anyhelp much appreciated.

Thanks

Adrian

 

[Chuck]

ICS works fine, can ping from the WinME computer to the Win XP one. And the
XP one can see the shares on the ME one. But can I make the ME computer
connect to the shares on the XP SP2 computer. No. Get prompted for
password all the time, and even though I am logged on to Windows on the ME
machine with the same username as password as the XP machine on which the
shares are located, I can not connect.

It's as if the authentication is not being passed from ME machine to XP one.

Firewall is on, but not on the LAN, only on external connections.

Anyhelp much appreciated.

Thanks

Adrian

Adrian,

Is the XP computer running XP Home or Pro? Big differewnce.

On any XP Pro computer, check to see if Simple File Sharing (Control Panel -
Folder Options - View - Advanced settings) is enabled or disabled. With XP Pro,
you need to have SFS properly set on each computer.

With XP Pro, if SFS is disabled, check the Local Security Policy (Control Panel
- Administrative Tools). Under Local Policies - Security Options, look at
"Network access: Sharing and security model", and ensure it's set to "Classic -
local users authenticate as themselves".

With XP Pro, if you set the above Local Security Policy to "Guest only", enable
the Guest account, using Start - Run - "cmd" - type "net user guest /active:yes"
in the command window. If "Classic", setup and use a common non-Guest account
on all computers. Whichever account is used, give it an identical, non-blank
password on all computers.

For XP Home, OR for XP Pro with Simple File Sharing enabled, make sure that the
Guest account is enabled, on each computer. Enable Guest with Start - Run -
"cmd" - type "net user guest /active:yes" in the command window.

Cheers,
Chuck
Paranoia comes from experience - and is not necessarily a bad thing.

 

[Adrian Beney]

Is the XP computer running XP Home or Pro? Big differewnce.

It's Win XP Pro.

On any XP Pro computer, check to see if Simple File Sharing (Control
Panel -
Folder Options - View - Advanced settings) is enabled or disabled. With
XP Pro,
you need to have SFS properly set on each computer.

Simple File Sharing is OFF

With XP Pro, if SFS is disabled, check the Local Security Policy (Control
Panel
- Administrative Tools). Under Local Policies - Security Options, look at
"Network access: Sharing and security model", and ensure it's set to
"Classic -
local users authenticate as themselves".
Affirm.


With XP Pro, if you set the above Local Security Policy to "Guest only",
enable
the Guest account, using Start - Run - "cmd" - type "net user guest
/active:yes"
in the command window. If "Classic", setup and use a common non-Guest
account
on all computers. Whichever account is used, give it an identical,
non-blank
password on all computers.

But different people log on at the Win ME workstation, and I don't want
certain files and folders available to certain people, and unless I have
misunderstood you then what you are suggesting then you are suggesting a
level of file sharing which is not user specific.

Thanks!

Adrian

 

[Chuck]

It's Win XP Pro.


Simple File Sharing is OFF


But different people log on at the Win ME workstation, and I don't want
certain files and folders available to certain people, and unless I have
misunderstood you then what you are suggesting then you are suggesting a
level of file sharing which is not user specific.

Adrian,

If you're using Classic Authentication, and you have multiple people sharing the
WinME computer, than each person has to have, and use, their own account there.
You then add each account, with identical non-blank password, to the WinXP
computer.

More about file sharing, between all different versions of Windows:
<http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/...db-aef8-4bef-925e-7ac9be791028&DisplayLang=en>

Cheers,
Chuck
Paranoia comes from experience - and is not necessarily a bad thing.

 

[Adrian Beney]

If you're using Classic Authentication, and you have multiple people

sharing the
WinME computer, than each person has to have, and use, their own account
there.
You then add each account, with identical non-blank password, to the WinXP
computer.

More about file sharing, between all different versions of Windows:
<http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/...db-aef8-4bef-925e-7ac9be791028&DisplayLang=en>

Thanks for the URL. I do have multiple accounts on the ME computer, and the
usernames and Windows Networking passwords match the usernames and passwords
on the XP computer....

I'll have a dig through the document.

Thanks

Adrian

 

[Adrian Beney]

Had a look at the article, and I have to confess that I think everything
that should be in place is in place....

Adrian

 

[Hans-Georg Michna]

Had a look at the article, and I have to confess that I think everything
that should be in place is in place....

Adrian,

have you checked logging on locally to the target computer with
the username and password that doesn't work over the network?
Does that work?

The problem you're seeing is a bit uncommon, so checking the
simple things may now be needed.

Next thing I'd do is change the computer names to something very
short and simple, without spaces, and create an entirely new
account on the Windows XP computer for testing, then try that.

Can you borrow a third computer for testing?

Hans-Georg

 

[Adrian Beney]

Good suggestions; but it seems from reading the newsgroup that others have
had the same problems after the XP SP2 upgrade.

Computers have 8 character short names with no spaces...

I am at a loss!

Adrian

 

[Hans-Georg Michna]

Good suggestions; but it seems from reading the newsgroup that others have
had the same problems after the XP SP2 upgrade.

Adrian,

that doesn't mean much. Most people have problems before they
come to this newsgroup. Many of these problems could be solved.

Computers have 8 character short names with no spaces...

How about my other two questions/proposals?

Hans-Georg

 

[Adrian Beney]

thanks for yours again. The other two suggestions:

have you checked logging on locally to the target computer with
the username and password that doesn't work over the network?
Does that work?

Yes, that's fine. Username and password on XP machine all works fine. And
the same username and password is set to log in to the Win ME machine, so
what used to happen pre SP2, I assume, is that when one tried to connect to
a share the ME machine passed username and password to the XP one which
authenticated it and let me in.

Even connecting to the shared printer on the XP machine asks for a password.

The problem you're seeing is a bit uncommon, so checking the
simple things may now be needed.

Next thing I'd do is change the computer names to something very
short and simple, without spaces, and create an entirely new
account on the Windows XP computer for testing, then try that.

I haven't yet done this (I shall) but have tried with both my Win XP account
and my wife's

Can you borrow a third computer for testing?

A good idea, I will bring the laptop home from work tomorrow evening. But
that will be an interesting test, since being a Win XP machine it should
have the option for me to "connect as" and my bet is that if I try this then
it will work. At least that will prove that the firewall isn't what is
stopping me getting in.

And I'm getting fit since one machine is on the ground floor and the other
is 2 floors up!

Adrian

 

[Hans-Georg Michna]

And I'm getting fit since one machine is on the ground floor and the other
is 2 floors up!

Adrian,

hehe, everything should have its upside. -)

If you feel like reading up, you may have a look at
http://www.michna.com/kb/WxSP2.htm.

Hans-Georg

 

[Adrian Beney]

Thanks I did have a look at the URL, and checked ALL the firewall settings.

I am going to create a new XP account, and new Win ME account, and see if I
can get one to talk to the other.

I shall also create an "everyone" share - with NTFS and sharing permissions
with full control to everyone (inside the firewall) and see whether Win ME
will be able to connect to that.

I'll report back.

Thanks for your help!

Adrian

 

[Adrian Beney]

Next installment!

Created a new user on the WinME machine, created a new user on the Win XP
machine (ironically using the network connection and remote desktop.)

Ensured that the new WinME profile, and the new WinXP profile match username
and password. They do. And lo and behold, instant connection to file
sharing, all working tickety-boo. The new user has identical privileges to
the users that can not connect.

So, to test Win ME machine, deleted troublesome profile, ensured all trace
of user gone from hard disc and registry. Recreated user, matching username
and password, and tried connecting to Win XP PC. Symptoms identical to
before, prompting for password for \\computername\IPC$

And I have tried creating new shares on the Win XP PC since SP2, which did
not help

So, what do we know?

Shares on Win XP PC are OK
Networking is OK
WinME machine is OK
AntiVirus and Firewall on Win XP PC are OK

The only thing left is user profiles on the Win XP PC. I badly do not want
to delete and recreate my lovingly created profiles for my wife and me. But
it looks like I do need to hack the profiles in order to get rid of or
change what is causing the authentication problems.

Any thoughts?

Adrian

 

[Adrian Beney]

Finally I have a solution

By changing the affected users' passwords on the Win XP box from their
existing setting to a new one, and back again, the WinME box can now
connect.

This is a workaround, and I wish I understood why it works, but at least it
does, and connectivity is restored.....

best wishes

Adrian

 

[Hans-Georg Michna]

The only thing left is user profiles on the Win XP PC. I badly do not want
to delete and recreate my lovingly created profiles for my wife and me. But
it looks like I do need to hack the profiles in order to get rid of or
change what is causing the authentication problems.

Adrian,

well, a partial success at least.

You can copy most of the profiles into new profiles, like the
start menu, all user files, all application files, etc. You'd
lose all individual user software settings though.

Hans-Georg

 

[Adrian Beney]

You'll see from another post that I have a solution. I looked in the system
event log and saw a number of messages as follows: " The Redirector Failed
to Determine the Connection Type"

These did coincide with some of the failed network connect attempts....

Adrian

 

[Hans-Georg Michna]

Finally I have a solution

By changing the affected users' passwords on the Win XP box from their
existing setting to a new one, and back again, the WinME box can now
connect.

This is a workaround, and I wish I understood why it works, but at least it
does, and connectivity is restored.....

Adrian,

ah, good news! And thanks for reporting back. This is useful
knowledge.

Hans-Georg