Troubles with new system

[GAR]

Just finished putting together a new system but I'm having a problem. If I
shut
the computer down and try to restart right away I get a long beep and then
everything shuts down. I can reboot normally...this only happens if I shut
it down. Once the system boots everything appears to run fine. Ive double
and triple checked that everything is plugged in correctly and the jumpers
are set correctly. Ive tried pulling out the memory and I get the same thing
so guess this is happening even before it does the normal post.

Heres what Soyo's website says: http://www.soyousa.com/kb/kbdesc.php?id=172
The fan is connected to the mobo. I dont think the CPU is overheating since
according to the monitor that came with the MOBO it's running from about
40-45 C. The above link says to hold down the insert key to disable FOC. I
tried that and it worked. FOC is supposed to check that the CPU fan hasnt
failed and if it has it will turn off the computer. Is there any way that
since my fan runs really slow (about 2400 RPM) the MOBO thinks it failed? I
thought I read somewhere while researching this that if the fans are slow to
get up to speed FOC will complain. I dont really like the idea of having to
press the insert key every time I boot or having to disable FOC but if I
have to guess I can live with it.

Has anyone seen anything similar to this or have any suggestions?

Thanks in advance.

The system:
AMD Athlon 2800+
Soyo KT600 Dragon Plus V1.0
Fan/Heatsink: Spire FalconRock II
Kingston Value Ram 512MB PC2700
PNY GeForce FX 5200
Using the power supply that came with the case, supposed to be Athlon
approved (according to the website I bought it from): DTK LP-990E 450 WT

 

[Cerridwen]

Just finished putting together a new system but I'm having a problem.
If I shut
the computer down and try to restart right away I get a long beep and
then everything shuts down. I can reboot normally...this only happens
if I shut it down. Once the system boots everything appears to run
fine. Ive double and triple checked that everything is plugged in
correctly and the jumpers are set correctly. Ive tried pulling out
the memory and I get the same thing so guess this is happening even
before it does the normal post.

Heres what Soyo's website says:
http://www.soyousa.com/kb/kbdesc.php?id=172 The fan is connected to
the mobo. I dont think the CPU is overheating since according to the
monitor that came with the MOBO it's running from about 40-45 C. The
above link says to hold down the insert key to disable FOC. I tried
that and it worked. FOC is supposed to check that the CPU fan hasnt
failed and if it has it will turn off the computer. Is there any way
that since my fan runs really slow (about 2400 RPM) the MOBO thinks
it failed? I thought I read somewhere while researching this that if
the fans are slow to get up to speed FOC will complain. I dont really
like the idea of having to press the insert key every time I boot or
having to disable FOC but if I have to guess I can live with it.

Has anyone seen anything similar to this or have any suggestions?

Thanks in advance.

The system:
AMD Athlon 2800+
Soyo KT600 Dragon Plus V1.0
Fan/Heatsink: Spire FalconRock II
Kingston Value Ram 512MB PC2700
PNY GeForce FX 5200
Using the power supply that came with the case, supposed to be Athlon
approved (according to the website I bought it from): DTK LP-990E 450
WT

The thing is by "living with it" you could cause damage to the CPU if the
fan really /isn't/ spinning fast enough. I don't know anything about the
brand of HSF you've chosen, but I'm not a huge fan of HS with fans built
in - I prefer separates.

I'm sure there will be others (Kony, Alien Zord, John Smith, just about
anyone apart from half_wit) who will be able to advise you better than I
can.

If half_wit does offer you advice, you'd do well to ignore it - the guy
obviously doesn't have a clue what he's on about.

 

[kony]

Just finished putting together a new system but I'm having a problem. If I
shut
the computer down and try to restart right away I get a long beep and then
everything shuts down. I can reboot normally...this only happens if I shut
it down. Once the system boots everything appears to run fine. Ive double
and triple checked that everything is plugged in correctly and the jumpers
are set correctly. Ive tried pulling out the memory and I get the same thing
so guess this is happening even before it does the normal post.

Heres what Soyo's website says: http://www.soyousa.com/kb/kbdesc.php?id=172
The fan is connected to the mobo. I dont think the CPU is overheating since
according to the monitor that came with the MOBO it's running from about
40-45 C. The above link says to hold down the insert key to disable FOC. I
tried that and it worked. FOC is supposed to check that the CPU fan hasnt
failed and if it has it will turn off the computer. Is there any way that
since my fan runs really slow (about 2400 RPM) the MOBO thinks it failed?
I
thought I read somewhere while researching this that if the fans are slow to
get up to speed FOC will complain. I dont really like the idea of having to
press the insert key every time I boot or having to disable FOC but if I
have to guess I can live with it.

Has anyone seen anything similar to this or have any suggestions?

Thanks in advance.

The system:
AMD Athlon 2800+
Soyo KT600 Dragon Plus V1.0
Fan/Heatsink: Spire FalconRock II
Kingston Value Ram 512MB PC2700
PNY GeForce FX 5200
Using the power supply that came with the case, supposed to be Athlon
approved (according to the website I bought it from): DTK LP-990E 450 WT

Yes, it's a very common problem that (when a board has a halt-on-fan-speed
setting) the system will stop if the fan RPM is too low. Often the
manufacturer will issue a bios update to correct that so you might check
for that. Also check for the option to disable this "feature" in the
BIOS.

Since the board is relatively new there may not be a bios correection for
that yet so a periodic recheck of their website might be prudent. In the
interim you might acquire a fan with higher RPM just to test this,
establish that with the higher RPM you're always able to cold boot. It
might not hurt to inform Soyo of this issue also... perhaps making it more
likely to be corrected, sooner.

 

[GAR]

The thing is by "living with it" you could cause damage to the CPU if the
fan really /isn't/ spinning fast enough. I don't know anything about the
brand of HSF you've chosen, but I'm not a huge fan of HS with fans built
in - I prefer separates.

From what I understand the fan is designed to be quiet. They basically
stuck a big case fan onto a heatsink...Bigger fan means it can spin slower
while pushing the same amount of air.
I do agree with you on the fact that I dont want to just live with it. I
also dont want to have to shell out 20+ bucks for another heatsink
fan....From what Ive been reading there was a similar problem with other
mobos and they eventually came out with a bios update to support the slower
fans. Whats the odds the fan fails by then

I'm sure there will be others (Kony, Alien Zord, John Smith, just about
anyone apart from half_wit) who will be able to advise you better than I
can.

Well I appreciate your reply...I'm definetly taking your advice seriously.
This is my little sister's computer. Id feel really bad if I fried it.

If half_wit does offer you advice, you'd do well to ignore it - the guy
obviously doesn't have a clue what he's on about.

Atleast he has an appropriate name.

 

[half_pint]

Well GAR it fairly obvious what the problem is but don't take my word
for it, let the 'wise owls' (Kony, Alien Zord, John Smith, Cerriden or
whoever)
lol, have a conflab and see what their minds can regurgitate in the way of
ideas.
It might also be worth ensuring you household insurance policy is up to
date before attempting any of their 'fixes'.

half_pint

PS If you have depentants there are also some excellent life insurance
policys available on the net.

 

[kony]

From what I understand the fan is designed to be quiet. They basically
stuck a big case fan onto a heatsink...Bigger fan means it can spin slower
while pushing the same amount of air.
I do agree with you on the fact that I dont want to just live with it. I
also dont want to have to shell out 20+ bucks for another heatsink
fan...

$20? If you'll settle for one of the major name-brand fans instead of
insisting on a particular make, you should be able to find a fan for $3-7.
Then there's shipping but if you find something else you want from same
vendor then shipping cost increase for the fan is negligable.

From what Ive been reading there was a similar problem with other
mobos and they eventually came out with a bios update to support the slower
fans. Whats the odds the fan fails by then

Fan failure rate has everything to do with the quality of the fan. A good
fan may easily last a dozen years, but a poor, imbalanced sleeve-bearing
fan might fail in a few months if not relubed periodically... you'll have
to assess how good your fan is. Personally I'd much rather have a good
fan than an RPM indicator, shutdown mechanism, but it seems the
motherboard manufacturer has already stuck you with that RPM "feature"
without any way to disable it in the bios?

Another option is to use a northbridge cooler with fan, RPM output, then
run that fan from the CPU fan header... just beware that some systems
power off certain fan headers in power management mode, so you wouldn't
want the CPU fan connected to a header that shuts off if it still needs
active cooling.