Trouble with new MOBO & CPU

J

Jethro

I am trying to change my system from a P4 Pentium to an Athlon 64
3200+. I thought I could use my existing boot hard drive. Looks like
maybe not.

The new system tries to boot up but quits quite early in the process,
automatically restarting. Over and over. I tried Safe Mode - same
result.

My C drive has WXP PRO SP2 on it, and I figured it would at least
start up - but it won't

Can't I do this? Or do I have to install a new copy of WXP and all
the apps and recover all the data to get it going?

Help please

Jethro
 
R

Rod Speed

Jethro said:
I am trying to change my system from a P4 Pentium to an Athlon 64
3200+. I thought I could use my existing boot hard drive. Looks like
maybe not.

The new system tries to boot up but quits quite early in the process,
automatically restarting. Over and over. I tried Safe Mode - same
result.

My C drive has WXP PRO SP2 on it, and I figured it would at least
start up - but it won't

Can't I do this? Or do I have to install a new copy of WXP and all
the apps and recover all the data to get it going?

Nope, just do a repair install of XP. Operate as if you are going to do
a clean install, in the same partition its already installed. DONT FORMAT
THAT PARTITION. The install will find the previous install and offer to
repair that. Accept that offer.
 
J

Jethro

Nope, just do a repair install of XP. Operate as if you are going to do
a clean install, in the same partition its already installed. DONT FORMAT
THAT PARTITION. The install will find the previous install and offer to
repair that. Accept that offer.

Thanks - I am trying it now.

Jethro
 
J

Jethro

Nope, just do a repair install of XP. Operate as if you are going to do
a clean install, in the same partition its already installed. DONT FORMAT
THAT PARTITION. The install will find the previous install and offer to
repair that. Accept that offer.


It didn't work dang it!

I did the 'repair install' which ran a while and it then went to first
reboot like installs usually do. The boot up get as far as the
Windows logo for a few secs, then reboots. Over and over.

Safe Mode won't work during install (or so it says when I tried it).

Any other ideas?

Thanks

Jethro
 
G

Grinder

Jethro said:
I am trying to change my system from a P4 Pentium to an Athlon 64
3200+. I thought I could use my existing boot hard drive. Looks like
maybe not.

The new system tries to boot up but quits quite early in the process,
automatically restarting. Over and over. I tried Safe Mode - same
result.

My C drive has WXP PRO SP2 on it, and I figured it would at least
start up - but it won't

Can't I do this? Or do I have to install a new copy of WXP and all
the apps and recover all the data to get it going?

I have heard very few people that have been able to swap mainboards on
an XP install. I've just done a similar maneuver, and took the
opportunity to give myself a clean install, which I heartily recommend.
 
P

Paul

Jethro said:
It didn't work dang it!

I did the 'repair install' which ran a while and it then went to first
reboot like installs usually do. The boot up get as far as the
Windows logo for a few secs, then reboots. Over and over.

Safe Mode won't work during install (or so it says when I tried it).

Any other ideas?

Thanks

Jethro

Are you following the recipe here ?

http://www.michaelstevenstech.com/XPrepairinstall.htm

Paul
 
J

Jethro

I have heard very few people that have been able to swap mainboards on
an XP install. I've just done a similar maneuver, and took the
opportunity to give myself a clean install, which I heartily recommend.


I can believe that. A clean install is next I guess. I'll wait for
an hour or so to see if anyone else has an idea.

Thanks

Jethro
 
K

kony

It didn't work dang it!

I did the 'repair install' which ran a while and it then went to first
reboot like installs usually do. The boot up get as far as the
Windows logo for a few secs, then reboots. Over and over.

Safe Mode won't work during install (or so it says when I tried it).

Any other ideas?


Put the drive back in the original system, then,
http://www.mostlycreativeworkshop.com/article11.html

http://www.ngohq.com/home.php?page=Articles&go=read&arc_id=36

Doing the repair install might've messed it up too much to
do either of the above, this I can't know. If you had a
backup of your OS installation prior to the repair install
you ought to restore that first, or clone a 2nd HDD from it
and try the migration on that copy of the OS.

Beware of DaveW who is infamous for claiming you can't do
anything but a clean installation. A clean installation is
only necessary from lack of ability to get it to work any
other way... which can be a point one comes to, but as a
rule it is untrue.
 
R

Rod Speed

I have heard very few people that have been able to swap mainboards on an XP install.

That is just plain wrong, works fine most of the time.
I've just done a similar maneuver, and took the opportunity to give myself a clean install, which
I heartily recommend.

More fool you, its a hell of a lot more work than a repair install.
 
R

Rod Speed

Jethro said:
I can believe that. A clean install is next I guess. I'll wait for
an hour or so to see if anyone else has an idea.

Check whether you have virus protection enabled in the bios.
The XP install fiddles with the MBR and that virus protection
can prevent it fiddling with the MBR.

If you do need to do a clean install, use the files and settings transfer wizard
to save the files and settings first and restore them to the clean install.
 
J

Jethro

That is just plain wrong, works fine most of the time.


More fool you, its a hell of a lot more work than a repair install.


My situation is this:

I replaced the old MOBO & CPU with the new MOBO & CPU in the same case
and same drives. Now the machine will not continue the repair
installation as I stated before. So I cannot copy the files or
anything else from the c drive because I can't get into XP.
If I can't get the installation to continue past this bad point, I'll
just have to do a fresh virgin XP install followed by installs of the
applications I was using, followed by a transfer back of the data
files I fortunately have saved. I'll wait an hour or so though.

Jethro
 
R

Rod Speed

Jethro said:
My situation is this:

I replaced the old MOBO & CPU with the new MOBO & CPU in the same case
and same drives. Now the machine will not continue the repair
installation as I stated before. So I cannot copy the files or
anything else from the c drive because I can't get into XP.

You can however put the drive back on the original motherboard
and cpu so you can use the files and settings transfer wizard.
 
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DanS

My situation is this:

I replaced the old MOBO & CPU with the new MOBO & CPU in the same case
and same drives. Now the machine will not continue the repair
installation as I stated before. So I cannot copy the files or
anything else from the c drive because I can't get into XP.
If I can't get the installation to continue past this bad point, I'll
just have to do a fresh virgin XP install followed by installs of the
applications I was using, followed by a transfer back of the data
files I fortunately have saved. I'll wait an hour or so though.

Jethro

I think I'm still in under your hour......

Have you tried the repair with all unnecessary devices disconnected, ie. -
only a kdb, mouse, 1 HD, and a video card connected ? (Then adding them in
one-by-one after.)

Just a shot in the dark.
 
J

Jethro

I think I'm still in under your hour......

Aw gee..I'm sorry for saying what I did. I have no right to push you
guys into answering me on my problem. You are voluntarily doing it
and for that I am thankful. Actually I just wanted to say that I was
not going to do anything for a bit in the hope someone would suggest
something that would be a panacea.

Yes, as a matter of fact all my printers and other USB devices are
disconnected. Even my Ethernet.

Jethro
 
D

DaveW

WHENEVER you change the motherboard that has been used with a harddrive
containing the OS, after changing the motherboard you MUST reformat the
harddrive and do a fresh installation of the OS. Otherwise you get Registry
errors and data corruption.
 
J

Jethro

WHENEVER you change the motherboard that has been used with a harddrive
containing the OS, after changing the motherboard you MUST reformat the
harddrive and do a fresh installation of the OS. Otherwise you get Registry
errors and data corruption.


Interesting...Noone told me that before.

Okay will do
 
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Don Burnette

Jethro said:
Interesting...Noone told me that before.

Okay will do

Actually, it can be done, and I have done so on at least two or more
occasions. It may be too late for you at this point, and in fact you may
have already gone the clean install route, but fwiw, here is my process for
changing motherboards. I suspect your problems, probably stemmed from the
new mb booting into your existing XP install.

Create a backup image, of my current system, to have just in case.
Backup my settings, with the file and trasfer utility in XP, again to have,
just in case.
Remove the motherboard drivers, from add/remove programs if there, and from
device manager.
Disable any start up programs that might interfere, for instance I run ATI
Tray Tools, AVG Antivirus, those I would temporarily disable from startup
through msconfig. I also make a note, of my startup items in msconfig to
have as a reference for later.
Shut down the system for the last time.
Install new motherboard.
Power up system, immediately go into bios on first boot. Do NOT let the
system boot up into XP - this is very important. Confirm bios settings, ie
hard drives recognized, date and time correct, temp ok, etc.
Insert my XP Cd rom in the drive.
Set the bios first boot device, to cd rom drive.
Exit bios saving settings to reboot.
When prompted during boot to press any key to continue booting from the cd
rom, do so.
VERY IMPORTANT - DO NOT LET THE NEW BOARD BOOT INTO THE EXISTING XP
INSTALLATION.
Boot from the XP Cd, at first screen, select new install ( not the recovery
option ), on next screen, it will find your existing XP installation, choose
it, and press R for repair. ( you will be given an option to delete or
repair the existing installation). This is basically an inplace upgrade, of
your existing XP install.
During the repair, it will reboot at some point, this time, do NOT press any
key to boot from the cd rom, let it continue to boot from the hard drive.
Once successfully repaired, install the new motherboard drivers off the cd
that came with it, or downloaded from the mfg's website.
Then, go to windows update, and get all the needed updates again.
Defrag the newly repaired XP install.
Look in device manager, verify no conflicts or problem devices.

Note: If your XP cd rom, is pre SP2, and your existing install is SP2 , then
you will need to either uninstall SP2 prior , or better yet, create a
slipstreamed XP SP2 disc. Autostreamer, is a great utility, for creating
slipstreamed XP SP2 cd's.

As mentioned, I have done this with great success. Of course, anyone's
mileage, may vary. But it is a time saver, and worst case scenario, if it
does not work, is to go ahead and do that clean install. If successful, a
repair install is much quicker, retaining your programs and settings. If
not, you have not lost a whole lot , then you can do that clean install, but
make sure you have all the cd's for your programs you'll need, and all your
data backed up to a safe place.

I will be upgrading, from an Athlon based system, to an Intel Core2 duo on
an EVGA 680i sli mb , hopefully sometime this weekend, and plan on doing it
this way as well. If I do, I will be glad to report back how it goes.

Hope this information is helpful,


Don
 

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