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[Taliesyn]

measekite wrote:




The problem isn't your opinion, it never was. You are allowed to like
OEM as much as you like. But the problem is your belief in OEM being
the only choice is false, misleading, and in order to get your point
across you go out of your way to harass people. This is wrong. For
example you have admited many times that your purpose is to get others
to quote you just so you can annoy those who have you killfiled.

For example, calling Taliesyn a kid who's only form of income is an
allowance is wrong. I don't know his age, but I can't assume any age
what so ever. Your statements are a form of harassment at the very
least... could very well be libelous at worst.

Name calling is common from young children when they can't win an
argument or when someone proves them horribly wrong (that'd be me! ;-).
I guess that shows Measekites true age. I know it infuriate him to hear
that I'm totally satisfied with home refilling, the inks I use, and
the ghastly amount of money I saved last year - $1000 CDN. It just eats
him up inside that he can't bring himself to do the same (doesn't want
to ruin his discontinued printer, blah, blah, blah). Unless he's a Canon
plant, why else would he be so furious whenever I state my positive
experiences with aftermarket inks. Old Chinese proverb: one plus one
always equals two. Okay, I made that up, but it sometimes is true.

-Taliesyn

 

[zakezuke]

Name calling is common from young children when they can't win an
argument or when someone proves them horribly wrong (that'd be me! ;-).
I guess that shows Measekites true age. I know it infuriate him to hear
that I'm totally satisfied with home refilling, the inks I use, and
the ghastly amount of money I saved last year - $1000 CDN. It just eats
him up inside that he can't bring himself to do the same (doesn't want
to ruin his discontinued printer, blah, blah, blah).

Yep... I was "hopeing" aftermarket ink would have killed my ip3000 so I
would have a legit excuse to upgrade. But it didn't. I did have
clogging on the black, but as OEM clogged at the same time, and far
worse, I can only imagine it was my printing habbits and not the ink.

But even in his childish behavier he illistrates a valuable point.
Kids can't afford to print... this is true, you gotta mow many lawns to
buy ink... this is so very very true. I don't know the going rate for
a paper route but... I imagine that it would take a kid with a
paperroute many a couple weeks worth of work to afford to buy one set
of cartridges. This is pretty bad, esp since in my state all students
were required to do a power point presentation and turn in hard copy
for their senior project.... and failure to turn it in results in NO
graduation. So after Prom, senior pictures, gown, and all these other
misc expenses, if the kid is shelling out their own pocket change and
given the choice between US$70 or US$22, i'm betting they are going to
go for US$22.

Unless he's a Canon
plant, why else would he be so furious whenever I state my positive
experiences with aftermarket inks. Old Chinese proverb: one plus one
always equals two. Okay, I made that up, but it sometimes is true.

The proverb you are looking for, or curse is "May you live in
interesting times". He could be a canon plant, I did just get the
speech from canon after saying I was using office depot paper that any
damage that is a result of using aftermarket paper is not covered under
the warranty. I'm not aware they made plain paper.

 

[measekite]

measekite wrote:



This is at least a reasonable Measekite post.

1. Out of all the inks i've seen tested, even the ones I use, they do
tend to fade faster than OEM. This is true. I've not seen an ink
tested yet which does not. I'd like to see the more premium brands
tested to see if they are worth the extra bucks.

2. While it could be said aftermarket is more prone to clog your
printer than OEM generally speaking, so long as you go with a
reccomended brand, one which has been used and tested by others, this
risk is small. An end user only needs to manualy more than twice,
after which buying a new printer is cheaper. There are printers where
the priner with a full set of OEM cartridges cost the same as or less
than the OEM ink. The Canon ip4200 new can be had, when taking tax
into account, for about the same as ink at office depot. The r200 can
be had from the Epson store as a referb for *less* than the ink it
comes with, the R220 about the same as OEM. In these two cases, you
risk nothing but some downtime, and stand to save 70% to 90%.

3. You can track peformance just fine.

wrongo

you do not know if and when the relabelers change their own suppiers and
since they will not disclose what they are selling you do not know who
else is selling the same thing and what the problems are.

You can buy from the same
reseller as others and compair notes. Storebought ink carries a
barcode which if you look up those digits, even store branded ink, this
will tell you who boxed it.

not true.

4. Printer warranites also state that if damage was caused by someone
else's paper they won't cover it. Reality is they have to prove the
damage was caused by aftermarket ink.

not really. all they have to do is tell you and not service your
printer. then if you want to afford to sue them you need to prove that
the stuff you put through the printer did not clog it.

They can't void your warranty
based purely on you using aftermarket ink, it's a violation of the
Magnuson-Moss Warranty Improvement act.

goodie goodie gum drops. all they need to say is that you used a
product that dried in the head and was tested to be not what the printer
was designed to take.

5. Refilling can be messy, and might be considered by some as
inconvenient. Others like my self might find it more inconvenient to
have to go to costco, which is an adventure in it self. Office type
stores are not as nutty, you can get in and out pretty fast. I find
having bulk ink on hand more convenient, it takes far less time. Thumb
screws or rubber stoppers, as well as bottles with blunt needless
attached can keep the mess down.

down but not out. costco is a fun store. you can even buy oem ink on
line. refilling is messy and is inconventient. it is a question if one
wants to endure the mess and inconvenience and then wash out everything.

Measekite said it best statement that "You save so much you can have a
pizza once a month and send your kid to prom".

Refilling by no means isn't for everyone. But the production of ink is
a long established industry, and it's no shock that those who are
experts in ink are producing ink for inkjets.

canon hp and epson are the experts. sensinent, lyson and pantone also
have expertise but they do not reasonable package their ink in retail
well price prefilled carts.

OEMs won't disclose who
actually makes the ink, for good reason.

it is not so much who makes it but the formula and that is patented

 

[measekite]

zakezuke wrote:



NO!!! He's an IDIOT.

Attention Attention

This is an example

 

[zakezuke]

wrongo

Righto, there is a limited number of companies who produce the ink.
Easy enough to track down.

you do not know if and when the relabelers change their own suppiers and
since they will not disclose what they are selling you do not know who
else is selling the same thing and what the problems are.

not true.

Very much true, check it out for your self.

not really. all they have to do is tell you and not service your
printer. then if you want to afford to sue them you need to prove that
the stuff you put through the printer did not clog it.

The burden of proof is on them, actually, at least in the States.

goodie goodie gum drops. all they need to say is that you used a
product that dried in the head and was tested to be not what the printer
was designed to take.

They can "say" that, but then they would be in a position to have to
PROVE it, and prove the damage wouldn't happen with their inks.. It's
tough to do, and from my experence they don't. They just don't. They
might "say" if you put aftermarket paper or ink in your printer, and it
causes the damage, they are not responcible. But the truth is the
printer is designed to accept paper, and ink. Use of their ink and
paper is not a requirement of the warranty.

If talking canon, they just ship out a new head, or a new printer....
that's it.

down but not out. costco is a fun store. you can even buy oem ink on
line. refilling is messy and is inconventient. it is a question if one
wants to endure the mess and inconvenience and then wash out everything.

Wear a glove, problem solved. Refilling takes less time than going to
costco. You get more ink onhand for less dollars. That's a fact.
It's a HUGE time saver from having to buy ink, and a huge money saver
as the same volume would cost you over $300.00.

Costco is a fun store, but lines are long, and it takes a good deal of
one's day to shop there, even for just one item.

canon hp and epson are the experts. sensinent, lyson and pantone also
have expertise but they do not reasonable package their ink in retail
well price prefilled carts.

Ink has been around for longer than printers. The people who make the
ink for Canon, HP, Epson, have been around longer than printers. You
might say they formulate it, but the truth is you have no idea. You
accept this on faith. It's a fine religious convection, but prove it.
Prove one of these guys actually formulated the ink.

You can't, OEMs don't disclose.

it is not so much who makes it but the formula and that is patented

So are many aftermarket inks, surprise surprise.

trully heavy users.

It's very simple. Hobbicolors costs about $22.00 shiped, you get the
equlivent of 4 cartridge changes. OEM ink for the ip4200 would cost
you about $72.00 plus tax. You save $50 from the get go. 4 sets of
tanks for the ip4200 would cost you $284.00. You save $262.

Light users save, heavy users save, everyone saves. And so long as
there is competition, there is insenative for the OEMs to charge less
or risk losing business. I save, you save, we all save. Happy day.

You see, it doesn't matter if you are an OEM user or an aftermarket
user. Competition is good. It's rather why I don't care if a given
user uses OEM or Aftermarket. I will share my experence with
aftermarket so others can make an informed choice. But if they want to
go OEM, that's fine too, it's their money, they can do what ever they
want. But you have to respect the aftermarket users because they in
the end are creating the enviroment where the OEMs will have to lower
prices to stay competitive just like they did in Japan.

 

[Richard Steinfeld]

Certainly, Sir! Right away, Sir! Shutting up, Sir!

TJ

Who said anything about "Troll?" I can't remember who the original
poster was any more.

I mean, this thread is about pizza, isn't it?

Man, I'm getting hungry. I want your pizza, TJ.

Richard

 

[Ian]

Attention Attention

This is an example

You are correct. YOUR A SUCKER FOR BUYING OEM, and not having a
girlfriend.

I don't care if the "relablers" don't disclose thier ink. I hope they
never do.

This guy is not a plant for the OEM...PLEASE. If he is than it only
proves why I would not buy OEM, wasting my money.