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Dustin Cook

(e-mail address removed) (David Kaye) wrote in @news.eternal-september.org:
I have a good errors and omissions policy. I've never had to use it.

That uhh, policy doesn't mean a "hill of beans". You do have liability
insurance don't you?
 
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Dustin Cook

(e-mail address removed) (David Kaye) wrote in
Given the crap people have thrown at me about my practices might I
mention that iso alcohol is a bad choice for cleaning just about
everything electronics related because it's 30% water.

Uhh, No. Not if you use the hospital grade stuff; 91% pure alcohol. Good
for optics and electronics; as it leaves no residue and doesn't "corrode"
components. Your facts are very much in error, sir. :)
The only thing I use iso for is cleaning the gunk from the insides of
mechanical mice -- the rollers, trackball, etc.

You must be using the stuff for sore muslces. Honestly, after reading your
methods for the last couple of days; you would have been fired from my last
bench technician job. We had summer interns who knew more... :(
 
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Dustin Cook

(e-mail address removed) (David Kaye) wrote in
Those must be the clients I avoid. I turn down clients I don't want
to deal with or who question my rate. I seldom deal with clients with
pets of any consequence.

You don't deal with people who question your rate? Your slightly concerning
man. I hope your not one of those wannabe techs who I have to clean up
after...
 
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David Kaye

Dustin Cook said:
Uhh, No. Not if you use the hospital grade stuff; 91% pure alcohol.

Most people are not going to use 91+ iso. They're going to use the cheap
stuff from Safeway.
Good
for optics and electronics; as it leaves no residue and doesn't "corrode"
components. Your facts are very much in error, sir. :)

I NEVER said anything about "corroding" anything. Why do you continue to
quote me as saying things I've never said?
 
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David Kaye

Dustin Cook said:
That uhh, policy doesn't mean a "hill of beans". You do have liability
insurance don't you?

It's part of my umbrella policy. Okay, you're asking all the questions: What
kind of insurance do YOU have and what are the premiums on it? What is the
limit? Tell us.
 
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David Kaye

Dustin Cook said:
You don't deal with people who question your rate?

That's correct. If I detect hesitation I tell them thanks anyway, but I'm not
interested. I charge good money for good service. I give a 60 day guarantee
on my work. I give free phone support (within reason) after the job. I
refuse to bargain with people.

It's not ego at play here, either. It's experience. People who hesitate
about the price will never be happy. They'll watch the clock. They'll ask if
what I'm doing is really necessary. They'll hover, they'll question
everything. And their checks bounce.

Or ask any restauranteur who's done the 2-for-1 coupons. They bring in the
bottom feeders. People who shop for price give you 90% of the headaches.

I've had my current "take a hike" policy for about 7 of the past 9 years.
Since then I've had only one check bounce out of a couple thousand, and the
guy apologized and paid me back within a couple days. On those rare occasions
when I bill out (net 30) I usally get paid within 15 days.

I learned this when I was in the telephone call center (answering service)
business years ago. I hired only the best telephone operators and charged
nearly double what our competitors charged. My company was called Pacific
Answering and it was legendary in San Francisco. It served as the basis for
Proxy Message Centers, a national call center company that was backed by
Federal Express.

Anyhow, we violated every rule in the books about answering services. First,
we wouldn't sign up doctors. Doctors are the bread and butter of answering
services. But I found them difficult to work with, they didn't pay their
bills on time, they dicked me about prices, and they bitched about everything.
I hired only the best employees and didn't want to subject them to bad
customers.

Besides being legendary for our high prices and our refusal to put doctors on
the service, we were legendary for our service. We would do anything within
our power to get the message to the client. If we'd gotten wong info from a
caller, such as a wrong callback number, we'd go to extreme lengths to make it
right, and it was policy that if we mangled the message badly we'd give an
entire month of service free. And anybody in the company was authorized to do
this.

And, no, I wouldn't fire someone if they messed up. I realized they were
trying to do their best. Yeah, once in awhile we ate it with our guarantee,
but people loved us so much that they'd often refuse to accept the free month!

Thus, Pacific Answering had customers such as CBS, Wells Fargo, Bank of
America, Eller Outdoor Advertising, TV Guide, etc.

Well, that same standard of excellence I used in building Pacific is what I
apply to my current business. And the first order of business is that I send
the bottom feeders elsewhere.
 
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Dustin Cook

(e-mail address removed) (David Kaye) wrote in
Most people are not going to use 91+ iso. They're going to use the
cheap stuff from Safeway.

Anyone who understands the value of a good cleaning should be using the
good stuff. If they don't, they need to be in another line of work.
Electronics/optics in general isn't for them.
I NEVER said anything about "corroding" anything. Why do you continue
to quote me as saying things I've never said?

I didn't say you did claim it would corrode anything, David. I didn't infer
the quote to you either; I was quoting it for a point, actually. But the
idea that the proper grade iso isn't suitable for electronics cleaning is
most certainly an error on your part.
 
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David H. Lipman

From: "Dustin Cook" <[email protected]>

| (e-mail address removed) (David Kaye) wrote in
|
| Anyone who understands the value of a good cleaning should be using the
| good stuff. If they don't, they need to be in another line of work.
| Electronics/optics in general isn't for them.

| I didn't say you did claim it would corrode anything, David. I didn't infer
| the quote to you either; I was quoting it for a point, actually. But the
| idea that the proper grade iso isn't suitable for electronics cleaning is
| most certainly an error on your part.


+1
 
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Dustin Cook

(e-mail address removed) (David Kaye) wrote in
That's correct. If I detect hesitation I tell them thanks anyway, but
I'm not interested. I charge good money for good service. I give a
60 day guarantee on my work. I give free phone support (within
reason) after the job. I refuse to bargain with people.

Sounds fair enough.
It's not ego at play here, either. It's experience. People who
hesitate about the price will never be happy. They'll watch the
clock. They'll ask if what I'm doing is really necessary. They'll
hover, they'll question everything. And their checks bounce.

Very true in most cases, from the experiences I've had as well.
Or ask any restauranteur who's done the 2-for-1 coupons. They bring
in the bottom feeders. People who shop for price give you 90% of the
headaches.

I would have to agree there too.
I've had my current "take a hike" policy for about 7 of the past 9
years. Since then I've had only one check bounce out of a couple
thousand, and the guy apologized and paid me back within a couple
days. On those rare occasions when I bill out (net 30) I usally get
paid within 15 days.

Makes sense.
I learned this when I was in the telephone call center (answering
service) business years ago. I hired only the best telephone
operators and charged nearly double what our competitors charged. My
company was called Pacific Answering and it was legendary in San
Francisco. It served as the basis for Proxy Message Centers, a
national call center company that was backed by Federal Express.

Wow. Are you taking business ideas from gmc or something? /joking.
Well, that same standard of excellence I used in building Pacific is
what I apply to my current business. And the first order of business
is that I send the bottom feeders elsewhere.

Sounds like a sound business model of sorts...
 
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David Kaye

Dustin Cook said:
Sounds like a sound business model of sorts...

However, I'm in a quandary. I can either keep what I'm doing, or I can
expand. I happen to love doing tech support, but if I expanded I'd become a
manager. While I have no problem managing people (at at my height had 39
employees) it would take me away from doing tech. I'm basically in the same
boat as David Filo from Yahoo. He prefers to do tech than run a company.

However, I do have capital available should I wish to become the next Geek
Squad. So, it's tempting.
 
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FromTheRafters

Given the crap people have thrown at me about my practices might I
mention
that iso alcohol is a bad choice for cleaning just about everything
electronics related because it's 30% water.

I once successfully cleaned a TV set with a garden hose. The main
problem with the set was electrostatic attraction of dust in an oil
heated household (resulting in a lightning storm on the flyback - and
guck everywhere). Of course this isn't a suitable method by any means,
and older TVs used cardboard for the coil structures and would not have
survived such treatment.

I worked for a number of years at factory repair (mostly car stereos),
and if there was *any* evidence of water damage then replacement was the
only option. Water is worse than a furniture polish spritzed
featherduster - but that doesn't mean it doesn't work.

(Freon is pretty amazing stuff for cleaning electronic circuits)
 
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FromTheRafters

ASCII said:
Awhile back I came across what seemed a good deal on a Sony multi-disk
CD
player in a thrift shop for around eight dollars, problem was that it
would
start to play then go into a stuttering hang up. After opening it to
have a
look see I found a cat hair (longhair white Persian) that had gotten
caught in
the gear lube and wrapped around the laser head restricting its
travel.
Removed it and did a thorough inspection to remove any others as well
as
vacuum it out and it still works to this day.

I pulled about seven acorns out of a customer's multi-CD player once. Of
course I included them in the 'old parts' package I sent back to him. It
was from his garage and he sent it in because it would no longer accept
the cartridges. I figured it would be self-explanatory upon receipt.
 
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ASCII

David said:
Given the crap people have thrown at me about my practices might I mention
that iso alcohol is a bad choice for cleaning just about everything
electronics related because it's 30% water.

That's the cheap version,
a better concentration 90% (10%water)
can be had for slightly more expense
and it tends to evaporate with far less residue.
Got use to using for tape head cleaning it in place of trichlorethylene
back in the days of Studer Revox.
The only thing I use iso for is cleaning the gunk from the insides of
mechanical mice -- the rollers, trackball, etc.

I clean the ball of the trackball with my T shirt ;-)
 
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Whoever

FromTheRafters said:
I pulled about seven acorns out of a customer's multi-CD player once.
Of course I included them in the 'old parts' package I sent back to
him. It was from his garage and he sent it in because it would no
longer accept the cartridges. I figured it would be self-explanatory
upon receipt.


::chuckle::

Other than finding dead lizards and mice inside TV's, I think my best
one was finding half of a peanut butter and jelly sandwich in a VHS
VCR. Customer couldn't understand why it wouldn't accept tapes any
more. After cleaning it up, I called them to let them know it was
"ready for pickup". Mom showed up with a little blond haired angel at
her side. When she asked what was wrong with it, I handed her a ziplock
with the sandwich in it and told her it simply needed to have the
previous "tape" removed. She looked at the bag for a moment, then
looked down at her daughter who was beaming up at her with a huge
smile. Always wished I had a picture of that. One of those "priceless"
moments.
 

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