TMPGEnc usage ?

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RideRT

I am trying to use TMPGEnc to create a DVD from a movie from my MiniDV
camera. If it does well I'll buy it. I may also buy their DVD authoring
tool.

On PapaJohn's site there is a link to setting up TMPGEnc.

I went to it and printed the pages - to set it up properly, and
wondered...

The setting is for ES - Video Only.

If my MM movie has a sound track, how is the sound going to be on my DVD ?

Should it not be ES - Video and Audio ?

On my PC it will take 9 hours to encode a 55 minute movie. So I'd like to do
it well the first time. I kind thought maybe I'll say: " hey there's no
sound.... doh...."

Ideas ?
 
B

Bob [MVP]

I wouldn't go through an extra audio encoding step
for a camcorder audio stream, which is probably
not very good to start with, then risk having to
deal with A/V sync issues when trying to
combine them later.

And not all DVD authoring programs allow you to
import individual audio and video streams very
well.

I would check the "ES - Video and Audio" box in
TMPGEnc, and create a single MPEG-2 system file
that includes both the audio and video streams.

--
-Bob
_______________________________
Microsoft MVP
Windows XP Media Center Edition
http://www.microsoft.com/ehome
 
R

RideRT

Thank you PapaJohn and Bob.

Bob, that makes sense to me - the audio is indeed not very good and I am in
learning mode right now - so I will try the audio & video encoding tonight
and write the DVD tomorrow.

What I am looking for essentially is for a picture that would be as crisp as
it is when I connect my camcorder direct to my TV. I have a 36" Sony XBR
Wega and my DVDs to date have been pretty crappy...

So here is what I am doing:
1. WinDV to capture the raw AVI in one big file, approx 13Gig for 60
minutes.
2. I then used MM2 to edit and add credits, front and back
3. Then, save it in AVI format ( do I lose any quality when I do this with
MM2 ?)
4. Encode using TMPGEnc (for both audio and video)
5. Using a DVD authoring tool to copy the file to a blank DVD.

Thanks and I'll you know how it turns out.

DS
 
B

Bob [MVP]

Don't be surprised if your DVD doesn't look quite
as good as the video straight from your camera --
especially for scenes with lots of motion. After all,
your MPEG-2 video will be compressed ~3X more
than the DV video in your camcorder.
3. Then, save it in AVI format ( do I lose any quality when I do this with
MM2 ?)

Technically yes, because you are reencoding the
video again, and DV is not a lossless compression
format. But I seriously doubt that you will
be able to notice any quality loss.
4. Encode using TMPGEnc (for both audio and video)

TMPGEnc has many advanced settings that can effect
the quality of the output. The problem is that
improvements in quality mean increases in run time.
It can do a VERY good job, but it is also VERY slow.
5. Using a DVD authoring tool to copy the file to a blank DVD.

Some DVD authoring programs will reencode the video,
even if it's already a fully compliant MPEG-2 stream.
Some programs have options to prevent this, but
others do not. Just something to be aware of.

FWIW, for movies that are less than an hour long,
I usually skip pre-encoding with TMPGEnc and import
the DV-AVI directly into my DVD authoring software.
I've found the resulting quality to be pretty
comparable.

I only use TMPGEnc for longer movies that require
additional compression in order to fit on a DVD,
or if I want to use some more advanced features
such as noise removal, or cropping, etc.

--
-Bob
_______________________________
Microsoft MVP
Windows XP Media Center Edition
http://www.microsoft.com/ehome
 
J

John Kelly

Don't be surprised if your DVD doesn't look quite
as good as the video straight from your camera --
especially for scenes with lots of motion. After all,
your MPEG-2 video will be compressed ~3X more
than the DV video in your camcorder.

Yes, that's why you would use more advanced software like MovieX with its
advanced Motion Vector Analysis (see www.aist.de or com)
TMPGEnc has many advanced settings that can effect
the quality of the output. The problem is that
improvements in quality mean increases in run time.
It can do a VERY good job, but it is also VERY slow.

Well, that's the same for DVD Complete!!! So why bother with it...many modern
programs/Codecs do a dam good job in a reasonable time frame (Dazzle DVD
Complete or Nero 6 Reloaded) and yes you have to PAY for them just as you do
with TMPGenc (Once the trial period has expired) and DVD Complete and Nero do
ALL of the job...not just one part of it. Surely this is preferable...isn't
that what a computer is for...too make your life easy???? But I
forgot...papajohn claims on his website that DVD Complete always crashes WRONG
AGAIN !!

Some DVD authoring programs will reencode the video,
even if it's already a fully compliant MPEG-2 stream.
Some programs have options to prevent this, but
others do not. Just something to be aware of.

That's the trouble with using little bits of programs not able to do the
complete job. A Good Solid program (DVD Complete or NERO 6 Reloaded) can AND do
make a very impressive DVD
FWIW, for movies that are less than an hour long,
I usually skip pre-encoding with TMPGEnc and import
the DV-AVI directly into my DVD authoring software.
I've found the resulting quality to be pretty
comparable.

Hmmmmm...Both DVD Complete and Nero 6 Reloaded can do it either way....so
nothing new here either.
I only use TMPGEnc for longer movies that require
additional compression in order to fit on a DVD,
or if I want to use some more advanced features
such as noise removal, or cropping, etc.

Well, Nero 6 Reloaded will happily compress with its two pass Algorithm a video
so that it fits on a one hour disc...I have some here that would defy you the
ability to tell the difference between the original and the copy, but it also
deals with Dual Layer disks as well, and contrary to earlier reports in here
the new Dual Layer drives and disks are as good as commercial disks. There is
now little difference in the cost of these drives and single layer drives and
the small extra cost for the disks is well worth it.

So, the way I see it, you seem to be encouraging people to use small bitty
programs that can be VERY slow if you want to preserve the quality and then
transfer that to "some other" program that may well undo all that work by
re-coding the video...I can't see much sense in doing any of that. The claim
that TNPGenc is free is total RUBBISH....Its not free at all, after the trial
period the one any only reason for having the program goes out the window...it
stops working...AND after you have used it, you STILL NEED ANOTHER program to
actually make the menus and burn the disk

Something like Dazzle DVD Complete does a truly excellent job with some VERY
VERY advanced features and is perfect for someone with a single layer DVD
burner. For those who want to preserve all of the quality they can get NERO 6
Reloaded and a Dual Layer DVD burner and go all the way up to two hours of
extra high quality video.

So, just in case I need to say it. I can see nothing of value in your augment,
but I can see, as you have so rightly admitted, that additional problems can
occur by taking the route you suggest.
--
Best Wishes.....John Kelly
www.the-kellys.org
www.the-kellys.co.uk
Check out free video hosting at www.the-kellys.org
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John Kelly

Oops sorry about that. Some how my NET TIME routine got screwed up.

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B

Bob [MVP]

So, the way I see it, you seem to be encouraging people to use small bitty
programs that can be VERY slow if you want to preserve the quality and then
transfer that to "some other" program that may well undo all that work by
re-coding the video...

No, I'm not encouraging people to do that. I was just
responding to the OP's question (see Subject of thread).

I haven't used Nero's DVD authoring program in quite a while,
and based on what you've said, it sounds like it's a lot better
than it was a couple years ago.

I totally agree with you that if that one tool can do
as good a job as TMPGEnc, I wouldn't bother using TMPGEnc
either.

At the time I purchased TMPGEnc, the low-end DVD authoring
programs didn't include very high quality MPEG-2 encoders
(at least none of the ones I tried).

Perhaps I'll give the latest version of Nero another try.
Thanks for the tip.

--
-Bob
_______________________________
Microsoft MVP
Windows XP Media Center Edition
http://www.microsoft.com/ehome
 

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