This is the End . . . .

[kurttrail]

Of the OEM Motherboard is the Computer BULLSH*T!

The System Builders License that comes with XP mentions the motherboard
ONLY once!

4. SOFTWARE DISTRIBUTION.
4.1 We grant you a nonexclusive right to distribute an individual
software license only with a fully assembled computer system. A "fully
assembled computer system" means a computer system consisting of at
least a central processing unit, a motherboard, a hard drive, a power
supply, and a case.

http://oem.microsoft.com/downloads/public/sblicense/English_SB_License.pdf

Read the System Builder License yourself, and you'll will see that NO
SYSTEM BUILDER, END USER, or FAIRY GOD-MOTHER'S LICENSE SAYS ANYTHING
ABOUT CHANGING THE MOTHERBOARD BEING CONSIDER AS A DIFFERENT COMPUTER!

ANYONE THAT TELLS YOU ANYTHING DIFFERENT IS JUST FULL OF SH*T!

I'm glad I could finally provide ya'll with the definitive answer on
this subject, and we won't need to waste the groups time on this Mobo is
the Computer Nonsense ever again!

--
Peace!
Kurt
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"Trustworthy Computing" is only another example of an Oxymoron!
"Produkt-Aktivierung macht frei"

 

[Leythos]

Of the OEM Motherboard is the Computer BULLSH*T!

The System Builders License that comes with XP mentions the motherboard
ONLY once!

4. SOFTWARE DISTRIBUTION.
4.1 We grant you a nonexclusive right to distribute an individual
software license only with a fully assembled computer system. A "fully
assembled computer system" means a computer system consisting of at
least a central processing unit, a motherboard, a hard drive, a power
supply, and a case.

http://oem.microsoft.com/downloads/public/sblicense/English_SB_License.pdf

Read the System Builder License yourself, and you'll will see that NO
SYSTEM BUILDER, END USER, or FAIRY GOD-MOTHER'S LICENSE SAYS ANYTHING
ABOUT CHANGING THE MOTHERBOARD BEING CONSIDER AS A DIFFERENT COMPUTER!

ANYONE THAT TELLS YOU ANYTHING DIFFERENT IS JUST FULL OF SH*T!

I'm glad I could finally provide ya'll with the definitive answer on
this subject, and we won't need to waste the groups time on this Mobo is
the Computer Nonsense ever again!

http://oem.microsoft.com/script/contentPage.aspx?pageid=555857

If the pack is opened, the enclosed individual software license(s) for
application software

* must be distributed with a fully assembled computer system and
* must now be preinstalled.

OEM system builder software packs are intended for PC and server
manufacturers or assemblers ONLY. They are not intended for distribution
to end users. Unless the end user is actually assembling his/her own PC,
in which case, that end user is considered a system builder as well.

Guess it means you have to pre-install it or you're considered a System
Builder automatically, and agree to abide by the new rules.

Oh, and Kurt, you did know that the rules changed several months ago.

Oh, and you quoted from above " 4.1 We grant you a nonexclusive right to
distribute an individual software license only with a fully assembled
computer system. A "fully assembled computer system" means a computer
system consisting of at least a central processing unit, a motherboard,
a hard drive, a power supply, and a case."

Notice the part about "Fully Assembled" and all the parts that make it a
fully assembled computer.

AND FINALLY:

Can I distribute an unopened 1-pack to an end-user?
OEM system builder software is designed for OEM system builders for
preinstallation on new PCs. The outside of the pack states ?Intended for
PC and server manufacturers or assemblers ONLY?. While unopened packs
can be distributed to other system builders, they are not intended for
end-users. If an end-user opens the pack, they are bound by the break-
the-seal agreement which requires them to preinstall the product using
the OPK, support the product, and other requirements not appropriate for
an end-user who does not have the skills and technical knowledge of a
system builder. An exception to this is when the end-user is actually
assembling their own PC, in which case, that end user is considered a
system builder as well, under the definition in the OEM system builder
license agreement.

 

[kurttrail]

http://oem.microsoft.com/script/contentPage.aspx?pageid=555857

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

That takes me to a page that is password protected and the first line
says:

"Sign In to Microsoft Partner Program"

Are you now claiming that all System Builders are MS partners?!

If the pack is opened, the enclosed individual software license(s) for
application software

* must be distributed with a fully assembled computer system and
* must now be preinstalled.

OEM system builder software packs are intended for PC and server
manufacturers or assemblers ONLY. They are not intended for
distribution to end users. Unless the end user is actually assembling
his/her own PC, in which case, that end user is considered a system
builder as well.

Guess it means you have to pre-install it or you're considered a
System Builder automatically, and agree to abide by the new rules.

Oh, and Kurt, you did know that the rules changed several months ago.

Oh, and you quoted from above " 4.1 We grant you a nonexclusive right
to distribute an individual software license only with a fully
assembled computer system. A "fully assembled computer system" means
a computer system consisting of at least a central processing unit, a
motherboard, a hard drive, a power supply, and a case."

Notice the part about "Fully Assembled" and all the parts that make
it a fully assembled computer.

AND FINALLY:

Can I distribute an unopened 1-pack to an end-user?
OEM system builder software is designed for OEM system builders for
preinstallation on new PCs. The outside of the pack states ?Intended
for PC and server manufacturers or assemblers ONLY?. While unopened
packs can be distributed to other system builders, they are not
intended for end-users. If an end-user opens the pack, they are bound
by the break- the-seal agreement which requires them to preinstall
the product using the OPK, support the product, and other
requirements not appropriate for an end-user who does not have the
skills and technical knowledge of a system builder. An exception to
this is when the end-user is actually assembling their own PC, in
which case, that end user is considered a system builder as well,
under the definition in the OEM system builder license agreement.

And again, there is no mention of the MOTHERBOARD IS THE COMPUTER BS in
the System Builders agreement.

Read it for yourself, as my link is not password protected for Microsoft
Partners!

http://oem.microsoft.com/downloads/public/sblicense/English_SB_License.pdf

So you wasted your time with your response, because you cannot change
the FACT that non-Microsoft Partner System Builders never agree to the
Motherboard is the Computer nonsense!

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Kurt
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"Trustworthy Computing" is only another example of an Oxymoron!
"Produkt-Aktivierung macht frei"

 

[Leythos]

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

That takes me to a page that is password protected and the first line
says:

"Sign In to Microsoft Partner Program"

Are you now claiming that all System Builders are MS partners?!


And again, there is no mention of the MOTHERBOARD IS THE COMPUTER BS in
the System Builders agreement.

Read it for yourself, as my link is not password protected for Microsoft
Partners!

http://oem.microsoft.com/downloads/public/sblicense/English_SB_License.pdf

So you wasted your time with your response, because you cannot change
the FACT that non-Microsoft Partner System Builders never agree to the
Motherboard is the Computer nonsense!

Nope, I agree that non-systems builders can get the OEM software by
means of unethical systems builders. As a system builder you are bound
to ONLY transfer to another system builder OR to preinstall it on a
computer.

Read it again dufus, I'm sure you can make sense of the wording if you
take your foot out of your mouth.

 

[kurttrail]

Nope, I agree that non-systems builders can get the OEM software by
means of unethical systems builders. As a system builder you are bound
to ONLY transfer to another system builder OR to preinstall it on a
computer.

Read it again dufus, I'm sure you can make sense of the wording if you
take your foot out of your mouth.

That has NOTHING to do with the Motherboard being the computer,
Lamegirl.

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Peace!
Kurt
Self-anointed Moderator
microscum.pubic.windowsexp.gonorrhea
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"Trustworthy Computing" is only another example of an Oxymoron!
"Produkt-Aktivierung macht frei"

 

[Leythos]

That has NOTHING to do with the Motherboard being the computer,
Lamegirl.

So you admit that I'm right about Licensing and the OEM status of people
installing OEM software, not to mention that the computer is NOW
considered "computer system consisting of at least a central processing
unit, a motherboard, a hard drive, a power supply, and a case."

LOL, you had it better under the old licensing agreement - now the
computer is considered to be a group of parts - including the
motherboard.

 

[Alias]

So you admit that I'm right about Licensing and the OEM status of people
installing OEM software, not to mention that the computer is NOW
considered "computer system consisting of at least a central processing
unit, a motherboard, a hard drive, a power supply, and a case."

LOL, you had it better under the old licensing agreement - now the
computer is considered to be a group of parts - including the
motherboard.

And where does it say that by changing/updating/replacing a defective
motherboard constitutes a "new computer" or "another computer"?

BTW, as I have stated many times, in Spain, only OEM versions are
available to the general public, aka "end user".

Alias

 

[Leythos]

And where does it say that by changing/updating/replacing a defective
motherboard constitutes a "new computer" or "another computer"?

I don't believe I've said it does in this thread, not once, not anywhere
in it.

BTW, as I have stated many times, in Spain, only OEM versions are
available to the general public, aka "end user".

Yep, I've seen you state it, but I've not seen anything that states that
those END users are not considered "System Builders" under the
agreement. So, that makes each END USER as you call them a system
builder under the new licensing rules - even if your OEM provider
doesn't tell you.

 

[kurttrail]

I don't believe I've said it does in this thread, not once, not
anywhere in it.


Yep, I've seen you state it, but I've not seen anything that states
that those END users are not considered "System Builders" under the
agreement. So, that makes each END USER as you call them a system
builder under the new licensing rules - even if your OEM provider
doesn't tell you.

And yet again you avoid the FACT that even the System Builders License
doesn't say anything about the Motherboard being the computer and
changing the motherboard make it a different computer.

--
Peace!
Kurt
Self-anointed Moderator
microscum.pubic.windowsexp.gonorrhea
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"Trustworthy Computing" is only another example of an Oxymoron!
"Produkt-Aktivierung macht frei"

 

[Alias]

I don't believe I've said it does in this thread, not once, not anywhere
in it.

Then what's your point?

Yep, I've seen you state it, but I've not seen anything that states that
those END users are not considered "System Builders" under the
agreement. So, that makes each END USER as you call them a system
builder under the new licensing rules - even if your OEM provider
doesn't tell you.

Um, the computer stores in Spain, where only OEM versions are available,
are *retail* stores, not "OEM providers" to system builders. *Anyone*
with cash can buy as many as they like without buying *any* hardware.
The EULA, the only thing you receive with it, says *nothing* about a
motherboard. I put one on an old HP and it activated and genuine
advantaged both times.

I am getting set to upgrade a motherboard on one of my computers so it
can handle AGP 8x and I expect no problems because I have not breached
the EULA I agreed to, the *only* thing I agreed to.

Alias

 

[Leythos]

And yet again you avoid the FACT that even the System Builders License
doesn't say anything about the Motherboard being the computer and
changing the motherboard make it a different computer.

And you've not seen me claim that since the new licensing came out
months ago. Now a computer is considered as MANY parts grouped with each
other, not just a motherboard now....

And yet again, you avoid the FACT that a computer is now considered more
than just a motherboard.

 

[Leythos]

Um, the computer stores in Spain, where only OEM versions are available,
are *retail* stores, not "OEM providers" to system builders. *Anyone*
with cash can buy as many as they like without buying *any* hardware.
The EULA, the only thing you receive with it, says *nothing* about a
motherboard. I put one on an old HP and it activated and genuine
advantaged both times.

I am getting set to upgrade a motherboard on one of my computers so it
can handle AGP 8x and I expect no problems because I have not breached
the EULA I agreed to, the *only* thing I agreed to.

It would be interesting to see the licensing agreement the store you
purchased it from had to agree to in order to carry the product - again,
just because you don't know about it, doesn't mean that they were not
required to tell you.

 

[Alias]

And you've not seen me claim that since the new licensing came out
months ago. Now a computer is considered as MANY parts grouped with each
other, not just a motherboard now....

And yet again, you avoid the FACT that a computer is now considered more
than just a motherboard.

Never said it wasn't. One would be hard pressed to do anything if all
one had was a motherboard. What I am saying is that upgrading or
replacing a defective part of a computer, even the motherboard, is
allowed. What isn't allowed is installing XP, retail or OEM, on two
computers simultaneously and, while I have to accept that, I don't like
it. I think that retail or OEM should be allowed on three computers per
family. MS' lame excuse regarding piracy is refuted by the billions and
billions of dollars they made with Win 9x and NT. WPA and WGA will be
the bane to MS because it makes paying customers jump through loops to
prove they aren't thieves. For some reason, that doesn't go over very
well with paying customers who aren't thieves.

Alias

 

[Alias]

It would be interesting to see the licensing agreement the store you
purchased it from had to agree to in order to carry the product - again,
just because you don't know about it, doesn't mean that they were not
required to tell you.

If you speak Spanish, call either one of these retail computer chains:

http://www.appinformatica.com/

or

http://www.pcbox.com/inicio/default.asp?lan=es&cnt=es

Both carry XP OEM and PC Box carries Office OEM.

Alias

 

[Leythos]

I think that retail or OEM should be allowed on three computers per
family. MS' lame excuse regarding piracy is refuted by the billions and
billions of dollars they made with Win 9x and NT. WPA and WGA will be
the bane to MS because it makes paying customers jump through loops to
prove they aren't thieves. For some reason, that doesn't go over very
well with paying customers who aren't thieves.

I snipped the other because I agree with some of this - I also think
that home users should be permitted more than one install of XP and
Office on a RETAIL license or an OEM license, as long as it's a HOME
user and not a HOME BUSINESS.

I do not agree that PA or WGA impacts users or makes them feel like
thieves. Those that feel that way are the same ones that feel the
Patriot Act is a violation of their rights, that tin-foil protects them
from the government, that aliens run Spain.....

 

[Alias]

I snipped the other because I agree with some of this - I also think
that home users should be permitted more than one install of XP and
Office on a RETAIL license or an OEM license, as long as it's a HOME
user and not a HOME BUSINESS.

Why not a home business?

I do not agree that PA or WGA impacts users or makes them feel like
thieves.

Didn't say it did. I said MS treats them/us like thieves until we prove
otherwise with PA and WGA. This is an insult.

Those that feel that way are the same ones that feel the
Patriot Act is a violation of their rights,

It is. Locking *anyone* up with no legal recourse like the unPatriot Act
allows is not exactly an expression of protecting human rights.

that tin-foil protects them
from the government, that aliens run Spain.....

The last two examples are ridiculous and you know it.

Alias

 

[Leythos]

It is. Locking *anyone* up with no legal recourse like the unPatriot Act
allows is not exactly an expression of protecting human rights.

The PA doesn't have anything to do with "locking" up people.

The last two examples are ridiculous and you know it.

And so are many of yours.

 

[nubian]

Of the OEM Motherboard is the Computer BULLSH*T!

The System Builders License that comes with XP mentions the motherboard
ONLY once!

4. SOFTWARE DISTRIBUTION.
4.1 We grant you a nonexclusive right to distribute an individual
software license only with a fully assembled computer system. A "fully
assembled computer system" means a computer system consisting of at
least a central processing unit, a motherboard, a hard drive, a power
supply, and a case.

http://oem.microsoft.com/downloads/public/sblicense/English_SB_License.pdf

Read the System Builder License yourself, and you'll will see that NO
SYSTEM BUILDER, END USER, or FAIRY GOD-MOTHER'S LICENSE SAYS ANYTHING
ABOUT CHANGING THE MOTHERBOARD BEING CONSIDER AS A DIFFERENT COMPUTER!

ANYONE THAT TELLS YOU ANYTHING DIFFERENT IS JUST FULL OF SH*T!

I'm glad I could finally provide ya'll with the definitive answer on
this subject, and we won't need to waste the groups time on this Mobo is
the Computer Nonsense ever again!

Until MS changes the license again.

 

[Alias]

The PA doesn't have anything to do with "locking" up people.

You wrote, and I quote, "Those that feel that way are the same ones that
feel the Patriot Act is a violation of their rights". One violation, Mr
Can't Read, is locking people up with no legal recourse.

And so are many of yours.

Name one (as if).

Alias

 

[Leythos]

You wrote, and I quote, "Those that feel that way are the same ones that
feel the Patriot Act is a violation of their rights". One violation, Mr
Can't Read, is locking people up with no legal recourse.

Please point to the paragraph/section of the PA that permits locking
people up without recourse - I can't find such in it.

Name one (as if).

That people feel like MS is assuming their a thief because they are
required to activate or use WGA. Only paranoid people seem to feel that.