The Msft spyware quiz fails

D

doghead

The following lengthy quote explains a disagreement our
antispyware heroes at Microsoft have with - well,
everyone else. The quote is lifted from the results of a
quiz (advanced section) posted on the Microsoft spyware
subsite.

::::Lengthy quote begins::::
3. True or false: all spyware is "bad."

Your answer: A. True.

Sorry, that is not the correct answer.

Correct answer: B. False.

Unlike other forms of software, which are usually
categorized as good or bad, some spyware can be
categorized as both or neither. With the exception of
malicious behaviors, many behaviors could have legitimate
purposes. For example, antivirus or firewall software
that automatically starts (autostarts) without your input
can be useful for helping to detect and block malware. In
other cases, system services (such as print spoolers) may
run in the background with limited or no user interface
but have widely-accepted, legitimate purposes. To learn
more, read our white paper: Windows AntiSpyware (Beta):
Analysis Approach and Categories.
::::End lengthy quote::::

The term "spyware" does not refer to normal system
automation and certainly doesn't apply to set-it-and-
forget-it security software. Spyware is by definition
malware, to use a redundant term that refers to unwanted
and damaging software. Spyware is specifically data-
collection software that is either wholly unwanted or has
arrived as part of a user-installed application with
unwanted add-ons and/or hidden, misrepresented,
underexplained, misleading components that may but do not
necessarily include unremovable, damaging, or self-
reinstalling data-collection components. Spyware is
never beneficial precisely because it is unwanted and
unbargained for; if a sleazy operation like Gator/Claria
includes basic information about its tactics only in the
deepest bowels of some buried-online legalese seven-
point, that's not enough disclosure if the majority of
users have no understanding of what awaits them when they
allow a supposedly above-board program to load.

Nothing stops software vendors from practicing their
trade in a transparent, respectable way. Spyware takes
its "spy-" prefix from its below-board methods. An
overly enthusiastic approach with multiple-domain web-
page loadings and user-tracking cookies can be spyware;
right now, all the big-name sites on the internet hit
novice users with spyware hookups to ad networks, for
example. Only by experience and browser manipulation can
users opt out of Microsoft's, Yahoo's, etc. spyware and
that of their "partners", whose sites normal users never
willingly visit except to complain about abusive
practices.

If the parasite - I mean the web-ad - industry wanted to
step out of the shadows, it would offer users an
attractive opt-in before it started showing them any
ads. After opting in, these users could then receive
what is now their current web experience on the up-and-
up. Instead, all these companies steal their time on
people's screens and then pay the price when guys like me
just block doubleclick and overture and the rest from
their networks.

When a company like Claria claims to remake itself by
hiding behind a new name, it's only the unaware who get
taken in. But that's the American-Republican vision of
the New World order, isn't it? Gain power by preying on
the distracted, the uninterested, the impaired, and the
unwitting, and then beat back criticism of the same by
changing names, declaring bankruptcy, baldfaced lying,
burying documents, deleting evidence, and torturing the
local language until our eyes cross and yes means no.
That's the way capitalism works, right? Every weasel for
himself - or every weasel company for itself?

If our friends at Microsoft can't distinguish a
difference in kind between deceptive plop like
Claria/Gator and firewalls and print spoolers, they have
no business selling or distributing antispyware software
or any other software designed to protect users. In
fact, Microsoft has often needed its own social compass
restraightened. At minimum, it has no business *selling*
security software when 95% of OS vulnerabilities resolve
to bad software design and delivery practices it embraced
and pioneered in the go-go '90s. Microsoft owes users
the fundamental restitution of a sane computing
environment. Right now, computing is insane, thanks to
Microsoft and to the Clarias of the world, and the "open-
source" pinheads who spend their free time writing
viruses because they envy Microsoft its weasel money.

But the buck has to stop somewhere. Print spoolers are
not the same category of application as spyware. I'm
sorry. Up is not down, Bush is not honest, and empty is
not full. Enough of this endless self-serving BS.
Microsoft has people who know how to run a respectable
company (and they do not favor integrating Claria as the
first step). Stop the doubletalk, the doublethink, and
the doubleclick, and just give us honest software that
does what it's supposed to do - *well* - and not
something else.

doghead@
 
B

Ben

I fail to see how this qualifies as an "announcenent".
It sounds more like a rant. And why bring the Republicans
and Bush into it? I think that politics should be left
out of computing newsgroups. But this is only my opinion.
 
D

David J. Craig

Sometimes politics and computing collide. From laws on spyware, spam, etc,
the people are calling for the government to help them not be stupid (or
proven to be so). Even if you do good, there are those like governments
that release all the stuff needed to steal your identity over the internet.
Also some companies don't do as they should and one Visa processor may go
bust because they didn't follow the rules they agreed to when they signed
the contracts.

If you use the good tools and keep your backups current it is not that hard
to recover. They could also get an Apple Mac, but if enough do it will be
more of a targeted system.
 
B

Ben

OK...yes...I see your point and I fully agree with it. I
feel that the government should institute laws to protect
consumers.
My view at the time of my post was too narrow...I was
looking only at political ranting.
 
D

David J. Craig

If it wasn't for all the political ranting we would be entering another ice
age. Do you want any of them coming into your current employment situation
as your manager or in an executive position? It would be nice if we had a
place to put the clueless, but finding a real geek that can do the stuff it
takes to be elected would be very hard. We also know that if you start
becoming a politician, you won't have time to stay up to date in the
computer world.
 
P

PHLAK

Agreed.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spyware


doghead said:
The following lengthy quote explains a disagreement our
antispyware heroes at Microsoft have with - well,
everyone else. The quote is lifted from the results of a
quiz (advanced section) posted on the Microsoft spyware
subsite.

::::Lengthy quote begins::::
3. True or false: all spyware is "bad."

Your answer: A. True.

Sorry, that is not the correct answer.

Correct answer: B. False.

Unlike other forms of software, which are usually
categorized as good or bad, some spyware can be
categorized as both or neither. With the exception of
malicious behaviors, many behaviors could have legitimate
purposes. For example, antivirus or firewall software
that automatically starts (autostarts) without your input
can be useful for helping to detect and block malware. In
other cases, system services (such as print spoolers) may
run in the background with limited or no user interface
but have widely-accepted, legitimate purposes. To learn
more, read our white paper: Windows AntiSpyware (Beta):
Analysis Approach and Categories.
::::End lengthy quote::::

The term "spyware" does not refer to normal system
automation and certainly doesn't apply to set-it-and-
forget-it security software. Spyware is by definition
malware, to use a redundant term that refers to unwanted
and damaging software. Spyware is specifically data-
collection software that is either wholly unwanted or has
arrived as part of a user-installed application with
unwanted add-ons and/or hidden, misrepresented,
underexplained, misleading components that may but do not
necessarily include unremovable, damaging, or self-
reinstalling data-collection components. Spyware is
never beneficial precisely because it is unwanted and
unbargained for; if a sleazy operation like Gator/Claria
includes basic information about its tactics only in the
deepest bowels of some buried-online legalese seven-
point, that's not enough disclosure if the majority of
users have no understanding of what awaits them when they
allow a supposedly above-board program to load.

Nothing stops software vendors from practicing their
trade in a transparent, respectable way. Spyware takes
its "spy-" prefix from its below-board methods. An
overly enthusiastic approach with multiple-domain web-
page loadings and user-tracking cookies can be spyware;
right now, all the big-name sites on the internet hit
novice users with spyware hookups to ad networks, for
example. Only by experience and browser manipulation can
users opt out of Microsoft's, Yahoo's, etc. spyware and
that of their "partners", whose sites normal users never
willingly visit except to complain about abusive
practices.

If the parasite - I mean the web-ad - industry wanted to
step out of the shadows, it would offer users an
attractive opt-in before it started showing them any
ads. After opting in, these users could then receive
what is now their current web experience on the up-and-
up. Instead, all these companies steal their time on
people's screens and then pay the price when guys like me
just block doubleclick and overture and the rest from
their networks.

When a company like Claria claims to remake itself by
hiding behind a new name, it's only the unaware who get
taken in. But that's the American-Republican vision of
the New World order, isn't it? Gain power by preying on
the distracted, the uninterested, the impaired, and the
unwitting, and then beat back criticism of the same by
changing names, declaring bankruptcy, baldfaced lying,
burying documents, deleting evidence, and torturing the
local language until our eyes cross and yes means no.
That's the way capitalism works, right? Every weasel for
himself - or every weasel company for itself?

If our friends at Microsoft can't distinguish a
difference in kind between deceptive plop like
Claria/Gator and firewalls and print spoolers, they have
no business selling or distributing antispyware software
or any other software designed to protect users. In
fact, Microsoft has often needed its own social compass
restraightened. At minimum, it has no business *selling*
security software when 95% of OS vulnerabilities resolve
to bad software design and delivery practices it embraced
and pioneered in the go-go '90s. Microsoft owes users
the fundamental restitution of a sane computing
environment. Right now, computing is insane, thanks to
Microsoft and to the Clarias of the world, and the "open-
source" pinheads who spend their free time writing
viruses because they envy Microsoft its weasel money.

But the buck has to stop somewhere. Print spoolers are
not the same category of application as spyware. I'm
sorry. Up is not down, Bush is not honest, and empty is
not full. Enough of this endless self-serving BS.
Microsoft has people who know how to run a respectable
company (and they do not favor integrating Claria as the
first step). Stop the doubletalk, the doublethink, and
the doubleclick, and just give us honest software that
does what it's supposed to do - *well* - and not
something else.

doghead@
 
S

Steve Wechsler [MVP]

To further confuse matters : Adware
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adware

" Some adware programs have been criticized for occasionally including
code that tracks a user's personal information and passes it on to third
parties, without the user's knowledge or consent. These programs are
often called spyware; however, the word adware is sometimes also used to
describe spyware.

Spyware has prompted an outcry from computer security and privacy
advocates, including the Electronic Privacy Information Center [1].
Often, spyware applications send the user's browsing habits to an
adserving company, which then targets adverts at the user based on their
interests. Kazaa and eXeem are popular programs which incorporate
software of this type.

Adware programs other than spyware do not invisibly collect and upload
this activity record or personal information when the user of the
computer has not expected or approved of the transfer, but some vendors
of adware maintain that their application which does this is not also
spyware, due to disclosure of program activities: for example, a product
vendor may indicate that since somewhere in the product's Terms of Use,
there is a clause that third-party software will be included that may
collect and may report on computer use, that this Terms of Use
disclosure means the product is just adware. "

Steve Wechsler (akaMowGreen)
MS-MVP 2003-2005
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Never Forgotten
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