thank you susan - you just made acf one of the biggest jokes on usenet

[John Cockliss]

um, *WHO* owns the domain "priclessware.org" ?

*WHO* owns the name acf or alt.comp.freeware ?

and *WHY* double dip or duplicate services or websites ?

how can the group approve something called pricelessware or with
pricelesware in the name when one person already owns the domain that you
all supposedly agreed upon once before ? votes don't count unless you're in
the clique huh?

what about SoS or Genna ? don't they or their efforts count ? obviously
not. i guess they're out of the clique now, huh ? That is sooooooo sad as
SoS has one of the best Freeware sites around (some stuff you can't find
anywhere else but his site) I don't blame him or Genna for not replying to
any of these lame threads about PL.

doesn't Henk's efforts to mediate count ? didn't think so.

seems to me that if you're not a "yes sir" person to the group you're an
outsider. so anything vote on in this group is meaningless anyways (like a
U.S. Presidential election)

*WHOOOPPPEEE*

only susan can kill the threads she's started and so far she hasn't. she
keeps starting new ones.

so here i am gonna start a new one myself. screw net etiquette (i don't
care) and accepted posting practices on this one (i don't care); then you
cliquers can do whatever the **** you want.

i am going to continue to post freeware that i find for the benefit of those
still interested in freeware and not some damn lame thread about some damn
worthless vote. no, ben, i did not vote to move or stay or on a new name
for susans ego.

so, is this where I say good luck ? i don't think so.

What the **** is your point?Did Susan rejected your advances,prickhead?

 

[*ProteanThread*]

um, *WHO* owns the domain "priclessware.org" ?

*WHO* owns the name acf or alt.comp.freeware ?

and *WHY* double dip or duplicate services or websites ?

how can the group approve something called pricelessware or with
pricelesware in the name when one person already owns the domain that you
all supposedly agreed upon once before ? votes don't count unless you're in
the clique huh?

what about SoS or Genna ? don't they or their efforts count ? obviously
not. i guess they're out of the clique now, huh ? That is sooooooo sad as
SoS has one of the best Freeware sites around (some stuff you can't find
anywhere else but his site) I don't blame him or Genna for not replying to
any of these lame threads about PL.

doesn't Henk's efforts to mediate count ? didn't think so.

seems to me that if you're not a "yes sir" person to the group you're an
outsider. so anything voted on in this group is meaningless anyways (like a
U.S. Presidential election)

*WHOOOPPPEEE*

only susan can kill the threads she's started and so far she hasn't. she
keeps starting new ones.

so here i am gonna start a new one myself. screw net etiquette (i don't
care) and accepted posting practices on this one (i don't care); then you
cliquers can do whatever the **** you want.

i am going to continue to post freeware that i find for the benefit of those
still interested in freeware and not some damn lame thread about some damn
worthless vote. no, ben, i did not vote to move or stay or on a new name
for susans ego.

so, is this where I say good luck ? i don't think so.



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http://rtdos.com/debate (charged political discussion)
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[H-Man]

um, *WHO* owns the domain "priclessware.org" ?

I believe this would be Genna.

*WHO* owns the name acf or alt.comp.freeware ?

Nobody, everybody.

and *WHY* double dip or duplicate services or websites ?

It's a freedom we enjoy. If someone wants this, how will you stop them?
Why care? And how does this affect your quality of life. Get a bit of
perspective here! I agree that his has all gotten really messy, but
really.

how can the group approve something called pricelessware or with
pricelesware in the name when one person already owns the domain that you
all supposedly agreed upon once before ? votes don't count unless you're in
the clique huh?

Stop it! Are we all in high school?

what about SoS or Genna ? don't they or their efforts count ? obviously
not. i guess they're out of the clique now, huh ? That is sooooooo sad as
SoS has one of the best Freeware sites around (some stuff you can't find
anywhere else but his site) I don't blame him or Genna for not replying to
any of these lame threads about PL.

How is any of this constructive?

doesn't Henk's efforts to mediate count ? didn't think so.

It was an offer, freely made by Henk. If either party chooses to decline
the offer, how does this reflect poorly on he who made the offer, or
those that declined it? Do we not have the freedom to decline such an
offer, or are we morally and ethically obligated to accept any such
offer that is tabled? Get a grip here!

seems to me that if you're not a "yes sir" person to the group you're an
outsider. so anything voted on in this group is meaningless anyways (like a
U.S. Presidential election)
Huh?


*WHOOOPPPEEE*

Huh? again

only susan can kill the threads she's started and so far she hasn't. she
keeps starting new ones.

So this thread really helps.

so here i am gonna start a new one myself. screw net etiquette (i don't
care) and accepted posting practices on this one (i don't care); then you
cliquers can do whatever the **** you want.

At this point you've made it clear that you "don't care". I still don't
understand where you are getting the clique thing from. People either
agree or disagree to let Susan continue to run the site. It's clear that
there will be change regardless.

i am going to continue to post freeware that i find for the benefit of those
still interested in freeware and not some damn lame thread about some damn
worthless vote. no, ben, i did not vote to move or stay or on a new name
for susans ego.

Thank you, these are the posts that make you, and others for that
matter, valued members of this community.

so, is this where I say good luck ? i don't think so.

Huh? again again

Protean, I'm as tired of all of the PW posts as you are, but I gotta
tell ya, this was not the slightest bit constructive. Reading it, you
came across as an angry child, that was not invited to play ball.
Anyway, that's the way it read to me. If I'm wrong here I'm truly sorry.

HK

 

[=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=BBQ=AB?=]

"*ProteanThread*" <sysop at village council dot net> wrote in
<
[snip all]

Please please please quit starting new threads about this.

 

[jo]

(i don't care)

You have been making this very obvious recently. You are one of the
most prolific posters to the group of late and most of these posts
have been hot air drivel to the threads that you profess to dislike.

 

[ImokUrok2]

"*ProteanThread*" <sysop at village council dot net> wrote in message

Thank you, these are the posts that make you, and others for that
matter, valued members of this community.

HK

Ditto and Amen

 

[SeattleNorm]

um, *WHO* owns the domain "priclessware.org" ?

*WHO* owns the name acf or alt.comp.freeware ?

and *WHY* double dip or duplicate services or websites ?

how can the group approve something called pricelessware or with
pricelesware in the name when one person already owns the domain that you
all supposedly agreed upon once before ? votes don't count unless you're in
the clique huh?

what about SoS or Genna ? don't they or their efforts count ? obviously
not. i guess they're out of the clique now, huh ? That is sooooooo sad as
SoS has one of the best Freeware sites around (some stuff you can't find
anywhere else but his site) I don't blame him or Genna for not replying to
any of these lame threads about PL.

doesn't Henk's efforts to mediate count ? didn't think so.

seems to me that if you're not a "yes sir" person to the group you're an
outsider. so anything voted on in this group is meaningless anyways (like a
U.S. Presidential election)

*WHOOOPPPEEE*

only susan can kill the threads she's started and so far she hasn't. she
keeps starting new ones.

so here i am gonna start a new one myself. screw net etiquette (i don't
care) and accepted posting practices on this one (i don't care); then you
cliquers can do whatever the **** you want.

i am going to continue to post freeware that i find for the benefit of those
still interested in freeware and not some damn lame thread about some damn
worthless vote. no, ben, i did not vote to move or stay or on a new name
for susans ego.

so, is this where I say good luck ? i don't think so.



--

Woodzy

http://www.rtdos.com (alt OS for games based on the classics)
http://rtdos.com/debate (charged political discussion)
http://rtdos.com/forum (rtdos message boards)
http://rtdos.com/rtdos (rtdos active developer chat)

http://rtdos.com/chat
Chats scheduled every Thursday @ 7PM MDT (0100 GMT) and
every Sunday @ 1PM MDT (1900 GMT)

 

[* ProteanThread *]

Protean, I'm as tired of all of the PW posts as you are, but I gotta
tell ya, this was not the slightest bit constructive. Reading it, you
came across as an angry child, that was not invited to play ball.
Anyway, that's the way it read to me. If I'm wrong here I'm truly sorry.

HK

Sorry, had to vent my frustration about this whole damn thing. This
thread / topic was never meant to be constructive. )


No pun intended.

 

[H-Man]

Sorry, had to vent my frustration about this whole damn thing. This
thread / topic was never meant to be constructive. )

Yeah, it sounded a bit out of character for you. I agree, it's
frustrating and difficult to follow. Looks like it's coming to an end
soon though. Feels like we're making progress anyway.
HK

 

[Con Jorliss]

what about SoS or Genna ? don't they or their efforts count ? obviously
not. i guess they're out of the clique now, huh ? That is sooooooo sad as
SoS has one of the best Freeware sites around (some stuff you can't find
anywhere else but his site) I don't blame him or Genna for not replying to
any of these lame threads about PL.

Well said.

As a long-time subscriber to ACF I've been appalled by recent events
here - not just the chronically immature Ms Burger's attempted coup
d'etat, but also by the shocking absence of loyalty shown to Genna by
many of the very ACFers who sang her praises to the skies when she was
maintaining the PW list.

How quickly some seem to forget all that Genna did for ACF!

All that matters to them is that Ms Burger's keeping the show on the
road now and her devious misrepresentations of Genna's words and
intentions are overlooked for fear of upsetting the new ACF workhorse.

One by one Genna's old "friends" and self-styled admirers have stuck
the knife into her memory, purely and simply to keep Ms Burger sweet
and the wheels of the PW database turning.

Of course, whereas Genna was regarded with genuine affection by many
here, no one actually likes Ms Burger. How could they? But ACFers are
nothing if not pragmatic, and if the group's new workhorse is a
Machiavellian control-freak who seeks only ego-gratification from her
labours, then so be it. At least the work is getting done.

I've never before witnessed such a callous and heartless tossing aside
of a valued friend for the sake of mere expediency.

The only consolation Genna may take from all this is that the time
will inevitably come when Ms Burger too is ousted by an even more sly
and ambitious megalomaniac, and then she too will be consigned to the
ACF recycle bin while the two-faced regulars sing the newcomer's
praises.

Ms Burger is an extremely silly and immature woman. She has behaved
like a spoiled and dishonest child throughout this whole business. She
is not to be trusted.

She has brought ACF into disrepute with her infantile behaviour and
underhand tactics.

Leave this foolish, scheming empire builder in charge of the PW list
and you'll all come to regret it.

CJ

 

[R. L.]

"*ProteanThread*" <sysop at village council dot net> wrote in
<
[snip all]

Please please please quit starting new threads about this.

Hi, >>Q<<, just want to say hi and thanks for your mail
(never got to reply, though - that hotmail account has been
killing me lately, not working properly).


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[John Fitzsimons]

On Wed, 30 Jun 2004 16:01:03 -0600, "H-Man"

Feels like we're making progress anyway.

We sure are.


Why only the other day, or was it today ?....

For legal reasons I cannot tell you when

..... I, or was it someone else here ?.....

For legal reasons I cannot tell you who

.....sent an email, or was it a newsgroup post ?....

For legal reasons I cannot tell you which

.....to someone in this newsgroup, or was it another ?....

For legal reasons I cannot tell you which

.....about this thread, or was it another ?.....

For legal reasons I cannot tell you which

.....and they replied, or did they ?.....

For legal reasons I cannot tell you whether they did

.....and they said a number of things that I might, or
might not be allowed to quote here....

For legal reasons I cannot tell you which


I certainly hope this very informative, and helpful, post has
clarified matters somewhat.

 

[badgolferman]

"*ProteanThread*" <sysop at village council dot net> wrote in message


Well said.

As a long-time subscriber to ACF I've been appalled by recent events
here - not just the chronically immature Ms Burger's attempted coup
d'etat, but also by the shocking absence of loyalty shown to Genna by
many of the very ACFers who sang her praises to the skies when she was
maintaining the PW list.

How quickly some seem to forget all that Genna did for ACF!

All that matters to them is that Ms Burger's keeping the show on the
road now and her devious misrepresentations of Genna's words and
intentions are overlooked for fear of upsetting the new ACF workhorse.

One by one Genna's old "friends" and self-styled admirers have stuck
the knife into her memory, purely and simply to keep Ms Burger sweet
and the wheels of the PW database turning.

Of course, whereas Genna was regarded with genuine affection by many
here, no one actually likes Ms Burger. How could they? But ACFers are
nothing if not pragmatic, and if the group's new workhorse is a
Machiavellian control-freak who seeks only ego-gratification from her
labours, then so be it. At least the work is getting done.

I've never before witnessed such a callous and heartless tossing aside
of a valued friend for the sake of mere expediency.

The only consolation Genna may take from all this is that the time
will inevitably come when Ms Burger too is ousted by an even more sly
and ambitious megalomaniac, and then she too will be consigned to the
ACF recycle bin while the two-faced regulars sing the newcomer's
praises.

Ms Burger is an extremely silly and immature woman. She has behaved
like a spoiled and dishonest child throughout this whole business. She
is not to be trusted.

She has brought ACF into disrepute with her infantile behaviour and
underhand tactics.

Leave this foolish, scheming empire builder in charge of the PW list
and you'll all come to regret it.

CJ

You have put into words the thoughts I have had. However, be prepared to be
the object of much hatred and flaming from the sycophants.

 

[Glenn]

No, I'm not going to flame you.

Susan,
I am one of the "sycophants" for you but you don't need this crap. I would
leave so fast their stuck-up heads would spin. They say they can do without
you, let them!!! Whoever this Genna is that is so damned good, let her do
it. I would leave so fast that there would be skid marks on the pavement.

PS What the hell *is* a sycophant? I may not be one.

Glenn

 

[ImokUrok2]

Thank you, these are the posts that make you, and others for that
matter, valued members of this community.

HK

Ditto and Amen

 

[REM]

"Glenn" <[email protected]> wrote:

PS What the hell *is* a sycophant? I may not be one.

It's one of the descriptive phrases that turns up here in ACF. I've
never seen it used anywhere else. When there is a long, usually
multi-thread discussion, the side that is on the mat begins hurling
this phrase, out of frustration I guess. I've never bothered to look
it up. The context that always accompanies it is enough for me.

 

[Jack D. Russell, Sr.]

======================================================================
* Reply by Jack D. Russell, Sr. <[email protected]>
* Newsgroup: alt.comp.freeware
* Reply to: All; "Con Jorliss" <[email protected]>
* Date: 30 Jun 2004 16:18:55 -0700
* Subj: Re: thank you susan - you just made acf one of the biggest
jokes on usenet
======================================================================


[Snipped]

CJ> As a long-time subscriber to ACF I've been appalled by recent
CJ> events here - not just the chronically immature Ms Burger's
CJ> attempted coup d'etat, but also by the shocking absence of
CJ> loyalty shown to Genna by many of the very ACFers who sang her
CJ> praises to the skies when she was maintaining the PW list.

CJ> How quickly some seem to forget all that Genna did for ACF!

CJ> All that matters to them is that Ms Burger's keeping the show on
CJ> the road now and her devious misrepresentations of Genna's words
CJ> and intentions are overlooked for fear of upsetting the new ACF
CJ> workhorse.

CJ> One by one Genna's old "friends" and self-styled admirers have
CJ> stuck the knife into her memory, purely and simply to keep Ms
CJ> Burger sweet and the wheels of the PW database turning.

CJ> Of course, whereas Genna was regarded with genuine affection by
CJ> many here, no one actually likes Ms Burger. How could they? But
CJ> ACFers are nothing if not pragmatic, and if the group's new
CJ> workhorse is a Machiavellian control-freak who seeks only
CJ> ego-gratification from her labours, then so be it. At least the
CJ> work is getting done.

CJ> I've never before witnessed such a callous and heartless tossing
CJ> aside of a valued friend for the sake of mere expediency.

CJ> The only consolation Genna may take from all this is that the
CJ> time will inevitably come when Ms Burger too is ousted by an even
CJ> more sly and ambitious megalomaniac, and then she too will be
CJ> consigned to the ACF recycle bin while the two-faced regulars
CJ> sing the newcomer's praises.

CJ> Ms Burger is an extremely silly and immature woman. She has
CJ> behaved like a spoiled and dishonest child throughout this whole
CJ> business. She is not to be trusted.

CJ> She has brought ACF into disrepute with her infantile behaviour
CJ> and underhand tactics.

CJ> Leave this foolish, scheming empire builder in charge of the PW
CJ> list and you'll all come to regret it.

Shame that you chose to post such a profound insight into this whole
fiasco behind the cloak of anonymity. It almost reflects my own view
of the situation. It certainly is one of the most "On Target" posts
that these (too many) threads have produced. While I don't see the
need to denigrate any individuals, your description is spot on. If
they had been my own words, I would have taken pride in posting them,
but I guess an anonymous, on target missive is better than all of the
veiled half truths we've been exposed to this past week.
FYI...No matter what comes out of all of this, I will (Always) only
consider SOS and Genna's pricelessware.org as being the premiere
solution to the best that Freeware has to offer.

 

[badgolferman]

PS What the hell *is* a sycophant? I may not be one. sycophant: A person who tries to please someone in order to gain a personal
advantage

 

[Nicolaas Hawkins]

What the hell *is* a sycophant? I may not be one.

A person who tries to please someone in order to gain a personal
advantage.

(dictionary definition [WordWeb])
--

Regards,
Nicolaas.

Distribution site for 2004 Pricelessware CD.
E-Mail me for details. (e-mail address removed)



- Better to have a crayfish on your piano than a crab on your organ.

 

[Glenn]

Well, that doesn't fit me then.

I haven't looked in for a year and I needed a eraser program so I looked in
and started reading the controversy.

I don't know what the argument is and I don't think anyone else does from
what I have read.

I just can't imagine anyone speaking with such venom about someone who had
been doing such a good job and for *free*.

I need to curry favor from neither one of the subjects but even a fool can
see Susan is being treated poorly and I can't understand why she still
volunteers.

One guy, who has posted *dozens* of posts, makes most of the posts
complaining about the long strings. The idiot needs to learn to shut up.
Someday he will grow up.

Glenn

What the hell *is* a sycophant? I may not be one.

A person who tries to please someone in order to gain a personal
advantage.

(dictionary definition [WordWeb])