System restore won't restore

K

KMO

I had lost my taskbar and wanted to do a system restore and when I went to
go back a day, it goes through the motions and after reboot it then tells
me it was unable to restore....This is not the first time this has
happened. It's not working and I don't understand why. Is there something
in services that this is directly linked to that I may have shut off or
disabled? I know at one time it worked, but lately and my lately has been
some months now that it hasn't. I wanted to go back in time before as well
and I got the same message. Can anybody help me with this, sure would
appreciate it. I don't know now either if this is started happening before
sp2 or not.... should I go and turn it off and clear them all out since
it's not working anyway, and where do I do that, I have seen that as well
but can't remember where to find it...

Karen.
 
W

Will Denny

Hi Karen

One or more of the System Restore files could have been corrupted - try
turning SR off/on - but I'm afraid that you will lose any existing
checkpoints:

Right click My Computer, select Properties and then the System Restore tab.
Enable 'Turn off System Restore on all drives' and reboot your PC. After
that 1st reboot go back into SR and disable 'Turn off System Restore on all
drives' and reboot your PC again. After that 2nd reboot you should have one
new SR checkpoint.
 
M

Maureen Goldman

KMO said:
I had lost my taskbar and wanted to do a system restore and when I went to
go back a day, it goes through the motions and after reboot it then tells
me it was unable to restore....This is not the first time this has
happened. It's not working and I don't understand why. Is there something
in services that this is directly linked to that I may have shut off or
disabled? I know at one time it worked, but lately and my lately has been
some months now that it hasn't. I wanted to go back in time before as well
and I got the same message. Can anybody help me with this, sure would
appreciate it. I don't know now either if this is started happening before
sp2 or not.... should I go and turn it off and clear them all out since
it's not working anyway, and where do I do that, I have seen that as well
but can't remember where to find it...

This doesn't answer your question as stated, but I use Erdnt
(freeware, part of erunt.zip) for a secondary backup. It's saved my
bacon a couple of times:
http://home.t-online.de/home/lars.hederer/erunt
 
C

Chad Harris

Maureen--

1) You can probably restore your taskbar with this fix from Kelly:

*The word restore has nothing to do with SR here--Kelly is using regedits
here.
She's done the work for you. Just download and run or run this.

Restore Taskbar and Start Menu (Line 117 left)
http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com/xp_tweaks.htm

Also see on the same site:
Taskbar Repair Tool Plus
http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com/taskbarplus!.htm

Parent site is a great XP resource with much information and don't miss A to
Z as resource:

http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com/xp.htm

As for System Restore questions:

1) Why didn't it restore? The restore point or points you used may have
been corrupted. I always tell people to use every available
time-appropriate point you can. They get corrupted if it's turned off or if
someone does or is forced to do a "dirty shutdown" with programs still open
including the browser--IE or another one. So rather than think of this as
"it worked", it's not broken but the restore point you chose may be
corrupted. You could try others, but I think Kelly's fix is your best first
choice.

2) XP SP2 didn't give you an SR that's broken or compromised so don't
worrry that it did. That's not an SP2 issue. Before SP1 however, SR had a
problem that people weren't actually reaching restore points that the SR
team fixed in SP1. SP2 includes all the fixes and updates of SP1. I don't
think you can say that for some months SR isn't working--it's probably
setting restore points at the default time. If you want to test it, you can
set a restore point yourself and then use it, and you can then undo it.
Doing this little experiment won't harm you and takes very little time.

3) I don't think you gain anything by turning it off and clearing them out
because SR is going to do this anyway on a first in, first out. You're not
going to cleanse anything by purging it and you may have viable SR points
there you could need but it has 5 default reaons for making them. I would
remind you to look at this though: MSFT defaults SR to take up real-estate
that is 12% of your drive. That's way more than anyone should need, so if
you need space, or like most people don't realize to get a decent defrag you
need 15-20% or more free space than you might want to adjust your slider.

Where do I go to adjust System Restore? It's a *tab* on System Properties.
Fastest way to get the box up is to hit the Windows and the Pause/Break key
in the upper rt. corner of your key board or you can put "sysdm.cpl" (no
quotes) in the run box or go via the Control Panel.

hth,

Chad Harris
________________________________

Maureen Goldman said:
I had lost my taskbar and wanted to do a system restore and when I went to
go back a day, it goes through the motions and after reboot it then tells
me it was unable to restore....This is not the first time this has
happened. It's not working and I don't understand why. Is there something
in services that this is directly linked to that I may have shut off or
disabled? I know at one time it worked, but lately and my lately has been
some months now that it hasn't. I wanted to go back in time before as well
and I got the same message. Can anybody help me with this, sure would
appreciate it. I don't know now either if this is started happening before
sp2 or not.... should I go and turn it off and clear them all out since
it's not working anyway, and where do I do that, I have seen that as well
but can't remember where to find it...

This doesn't answer your question as stated, but I use Erdnt
(freeware, part of erunt.zip) for a secondary backup. It's saved my
bacon a couple of times:
http://home.t-online.de/home/lars.hederer/erunt
 
C

Chad Harris

Helpful System Restore Resources:
System Restore FAQ:
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserver2003/community/centers/management/sysrestore_faq.mspx

System Restore for Windows XP from Kelly's A to Z:
http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com/xp_restore.htm

Chad Harris
______________________________________

Maureen Goldman said:
I had lost my taskbar and wanted to do a system restore and when I went to
go back a day, it goes through the motions and after reboot it then tells
me it was unable to restore....This is not the first time this has
happened. It's not working and I don't understand why. Is there something
in services that this is directly linked to that I may have shut off or
disabled? I know at one time it worked, but lately and my lately has been
some months now that it hasn't. I wanted to go back in time before as well
and I got the same message. Can anybody help me with this, sure would
appreciate it. I don't know now either if this is started happening before
sp2 or not.... should I go and turn it off and clear them all out since
it's not working anyway, and where do I do that, I have seen that as well
but can't remember where to find it...

This doesn't answer your question as stated, but I use Erdnt
(freeware, part of erunt.zip) for a secondary backup. It's saved my
bacon a couple of times:
http://home.t-online.de/home/lars.hederer/erunt
 
K

KMO

Hi Karen

One or more of the System Restore files could have been corrupted -
try turning SR off/on - but I'm afraid that you will lose any existing
checkpoints:

Right click My Computer, select Properties and then the System Restore
tab. Enable 'Turn off System Restore on all drives' and reboot your
PC. After that 1st reboot go back into SR and disable 'Turn off
System Restore on all drives' and reboot your PC again. After that
2nd reboot you should have one new SR checkpoint.

thanks, I can give this a try. I don't think it matters if I lose
anything, I would just like for it to work... I did fine my taskbar, for
some reason the lock was removed and the taskbar unchecked..... but that
still doesn't account for SR not working so when I find where to turn it
off ( I know it's around somewhere, LOL) I will do it... I see more
responses so maybe that will be here.

Thank you.
Karen
 
W

Will Denny

KMO said:
thanks, I can give this a try. I don't think it matters if I lose
anything, I would just like for it to work... I did fine my taskbar, for
some reason the lock was removed and the taskbar unchecked..... but that
still doesn't account for SR not working so when I find where to turn it
off ( I know it's around somewhere, LOL) I will do it... I see more
responses so maybe that will be here.

Thank you.
Karen

Hi

My posting shows how to turn off SR - Right click My Computer, select
Properties...
 
K

KMO

3) I don't think you gain anything by turning it off and clearing them
out because SR is going to do this anyway on a first in, first out.
You're not going to cleanse anything by purging it and you may have
viable SR points there you could need but it has 5 default reaons for
making them. I would remind you to look at this though: MSFT
defaults SR to take up real-estate that is 12% of your drive. That's
way more than anyone should need, so if you need space, or like most
people don't realize to get a decent defrag you need 15-20% or more
free space than you might want to adjust your slider.

Where do I go to adjust System Restore? It's a *tab* on System
Properties. Fastest way to get the box up is to hit the Windows and
the Pause/Break key in the upper rt. corner of your key board or you
can put "sysdm.cpl" (no quotes) in the run box or go via the Control
Panel.

hth,

Chad Harris

I don't think the SR has a corrupt file, funny that any one I have tried
I would get the same response, it cannot restore. I tried the restore
point 2 days ago, so it's not a matter of not having space or it not
being there either. I will try and restore it today with a special name
and have it restore me to this special name and see what answer I get and
get back on this thread. I have my disc space for system restore right
now set at 5% (1851 mb) and thanks for the quick access to that.. need
to remember that...... okay going to do a test restore and see what
happens.
 
K

KMO

Helpful System Restore Resources:
System Restore FAQ:
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserver2003/community/centers/management
/sysrestore_faq.mspx

System Restore for Windows XP from Kelly's A to Z:
http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com/xp_restore.htm

Chad Harris
______________________________________



This doesn't answer your question as stated, but I use Erdnt
(freeware, part of erunt.zip) for a secondary backup. It's saved my
bacon a couple of times:
http://home.t-online.de/home/lars.hederer/erunt

I just did a restore point and restored it and it worked this time.....
maybe I did have some corrupt files..... anyway, thanks all. I am also
going to read those links that were supplied and get some education on SR
for the heck of it.
 
C

Chad Harris

KMO--

It is hard when talking about System Restore for me not to mention how much
of the hard drive space or the disk drive if someone has divided their
hard drive into parts,that MSFT defaults (12%) on each drive or 400MB for
drives smaller than 4GB--not to many of those these days with hard drive
space off the wall-- because SR leads the league in Windows as a space hog
with recycle bin on it's heels; also temporary files, the paging file, and
hibernation can be huge space hogs. Some people who complain about space
are surprised when they inventory their drive to see how much space they can
get back if they allot SR less--by sliding that slider down.

If you have a data only drive like a lot of people who do that to protect
their data and put it on another drive from the OS or OS's, you don't need
SR running there taking up space because it's not tracking data files at
off.

But I didn't mean that the functionality or the viability or the efficacy
whatever word you want when a restore point works would be related to space.
The only situation where space and functionality become related in SR is one
where if a system drive has less than 200MB of free space or a non-system
drive has less than 50MB of free space, XP will suspend SR--and apply the
suspension to all disks not just the one short of space.

To get SR out of suspension, you have to free at least 200MB on the system
disk or 50MB on the non-system disk. SR will start it self in a few minutes
or you can start it.

MSFT has about 8 or so MSKBs on SR at http://support.microsoft.com/ and a
few at MSDN but the FAQ's are one of the best ones and Kelly always has
very good writeups at A to Z and other stops on her site.

I hope it works well for you. I've gotten in some can't boot jams that F8
to Safe Mode and then using System Restore has saved me several times so I
have a healthy respect for it.

Chad Harris
______________________________________


Helpful System Restore Resources:
System Restore FAQ:
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserver2003/community/centers/management
/sysrestore_faq.mspx

System Restore for Windows XP from Kelly's A to Z:
http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com/xp_restore.htm

Chad Harris
______________________________________



This doesn't answer your question as stated, but I use Erdnt
(freeware, part of erunt.zip) for a secondary backup. It's saved my
bacon a couple of times:
http://home.t-online.de/home/lars.hederer/erunt

I just did a restore point and restored it and it worked this time.....
maybe I did have some corrupt files..... anyway, thanks all. I am also
going to read those links that were supplied and get some education on SR
for the heck of it.
 
K

KMO

KMO--

It is hard when talking about System Restore for me not to mention how
much of the hard drive space or the disk drive if someone has

reading microsofts and others pages on system restore I found this.

.. You can either delete all restore points except the latest one, or all
the restore points. I have follow through with the getting to disk
cleanup.... my problem here is It does not list disk cleanup, although I
have disk cleanup in a utility folder, but I found there was access in
other way and I still do not have this *MORE OPTIONS TAB* that they are
talking about where I oculd delete the restore points. I do not have it.

using win xp and sp2......... in fact I have never seen that More
options tab on my disk cleanup. So what's up with this or how do I get
that back? Any ideas?
thanks.
Karen

• To delete all restore points except the latest one, use the Disk
Cleanup utility. Click Start, All Programs, Accessories, System Tools,
and then Disk Cleanup. Click on the More Options tab and then select
Clean up in the System Restore dialog box.

• To delete all the restore points on your computer, disable and re-
enable System Restore on the system. Click Start, Control Panel, and then
the System icon. Click on the System Restore tab in the dialog box,
select the Turn off System Restore check box, and click Apply. Clear the
check box again to re-enable System Restore and then click OK.

• You can reduce the number of restore points saved by decreasing the
total amount of disk space available to System Restore. Note that less
available disk space will decrease the relative number of restore points.
 
K

KMO

Log on with an account in the Administrator group to see the More
Options tab.

If logged on with a limited user account, you will get a very
abbreviated version of this tool. It only allows the user to delete
files pertinent to their user account and their level of privilege.
Log on with an account in the Administrator group and files that
relate to system settings/system data can be managed.

Check the properties of the shortcut for the Disk Cleanup shortcut you
found. If this is the one belonging to XP, its Target page will read:
%SystemRoot%\System32\cleanmgr.exe

Well I found it........didn't need to use any administrator group thing
either..... oversight on my part. When I click on diskcleanup I was
expecting to see the tab for options there...... but i ran diskcleanup
this morning and then after running it I found the options tab. I guess
the instructions could have been a little bit more explicit as to exactly
where it was or said RUN diskcheckup first........ ha ha, anyway
something I won't forget now that I found it. Thanks for the help.
 
S

Sharon F

Well I found it........didn't need to use any administrator group thing
either..... oversight on my part. When I click on diskcleanup I was
expecting to see the tab for options there...... but i ran diskcleanup
this morning and then after running it I found the options tab. I guess
the instructions could have been a little bit more explicit as to exactly
where it was or said RUN diskcheckup first........ ha ha, anyway
something I won't forget now that I found it. Thanks for the help.

You know, you're right. There's that first little analysis run that has to
take place before any choices appear. I'm sorry I skipped that part and am
glad that you found it on your own.
 
C

Chad Harris

KMO--

Looks like with Sharon's help, you've worked out your problem. I'd like to
know the link you were referencing--it may be a KB I've seen or FAQ from
MSFT but I don't remember that wording. Can you put up the link? The links
I gave you are fairly complete. I'd be the first to agree there are
countless times when MSFT could be more explicit. Good luck.

Chad Harris
_________________________________


KMO--

It is hard when talking about System Restore for me not to mention how
much of the hard drive space or the disk drive if someone has

reading microsofts and others pages on system restore I found this.

.. You can either delete all restore points except the latest one, or all
the restore points. I have follow through with the getting to disk
cleanup.... my problem here is It does not list disk cleanup, although I
have disk cleanup in a utility folder, but I found there was access in
other way and I still do not have this *MORE OPTIONS TAB* that they are
talking about where I oculd delete the restore points. I do not have it.

using win xp and sp2......... in fact I have never seen that More
options tab on my disk cleanup. So what's up with this or how do I get
that back? Any ideas?
thanks.
Karen

• To delete all restore points except the latest one, use the Disk
Cleanup utility. Click Start, All Programs, Accessories, System Tools,
and then Disk Cleanup. Click on the More Options tab and then select
Clean up in the System Restore dialog box.

• To delete all the restore points on your computer, disable and re-
enable System Restore on the system. Click Start, Control Panel, and then
the System icon. Click on the System Restore tab in the dialog box,
select the Turn off System Restore check box, and click Apply. Clear the
check box again to re-enable System Restore and then click OK.

• You can reduce the number of restore points saved by decreasing the
total amount of disk space available to System Restore. Note that less
available disk space will decrease the relative number of restore points.
 
K

KMO

KMO--

Looks like with Sharon's help, you've worked out your problem. I'd
like to know the link you were referencing--it may be a KB I've seen
or FAQ from MSFT but I don't remember that wording. Can you put up
the link? The links I gave you are fairly complete. I'd be the first
to agree there are countless times when MSFT could be more explicit.
Good luck.

Chad Harris

I think I got it from here.
http://www.rselby.net/xpsr.htm#sr
 
C

Chad Harris

KMO--

Tx much for this link I wasn't aware of.

Best,

Chad Harris
_____________________
KMO--

Looks like with Sharon's help, you've worked out your problem. I'd
like to know the link you were referencing--it may be a KB I've seen
or FAQ from MSFT but I don't remember that wording. Can you put up
the link? The links I gave you are fairly complete. I'd be the first
to agree there are countless times when MSFT could be more explicit.
Good luck.

Chad Harris

I think I got it from here.
http://www.rselby.net/xpsr.htm#sr
 
G

Guest

I have a system that is behaving the same way. It started when it joined the
domain. It was just fine when it was on the work group. It has service pack 2
 

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