Suggestion for a budget PC?

P

P. Lui

Hi,

I'm looking to buy a PC. I've my sight set on one of those
hyper-threading intel CPU (possibly the 2.6C Ghz). However,
everything else is undecided. I want a motherboard that supports:
1. hyper threading
2. HD bigger than 137GB
3. USB 2.0
4. possibily supports both SD & DDR RAM (since I have quite a bit of
SD RAM left. I know DDR is faster but I don't intend to play game on
this box anyway.)
5. LAN (optional)

I was looking at ASUS' P4S533-MX. It's cheap and has everything that
I'm looking for but I've read on some threads that some users are
having problems with it.

As for video card, I can go with the cheapest ones out there since I
won't be gaming on it anyway. Any suggestion here?

All suggestions are welcomed! Thanks in advance!
 
D

DaveW

NO computer mothboards support BOTH SDRAM and DDR. The chipsets support one
or the other. Also the physical construction of the sockets is different.
 
R

Ralph Mowery

DaveW said:
NO computer mothboards support BOTH SDRAM and DDR. The chipsets support one
or the other. Also the physical construction of the sockets is different.
Don't you mean to say at the same time. Several boards have two banks of
differant sockets that will hold ddr and sdram. You just can not install
them both at the same time that I have seen. YOu install one ot the other.
I just looked at a k7som+ board and it has 3 sockets for each.
 
K

kony

Don't you mean to say at the same time. Several boards have two banks of
differant sockets that will hold ddr and sdram. You just can not install
them both at the same time that I have seen. YOu install one ot the other.
I just looked at a k7som+ board and it has 3 sockets for each.

Wow that's pretty unusual to have 3 for each type.
i don't quite understand why the OP wants to spend a premium for a P4
then cripple it with PC133 memory though, seems like a waste to me..
might as well save $100 going with a Celeron if the performance
doesn't matter that much.


Dave
 
R

Ralph Mowery

Don't you mean to say at the same time. Several boards have two banks of
Wow that's pretty unusual to have 3 for each type.
i don't quite understand why the OP wants to spend a premium for a P4
then cripple it with PC133 memory though, seems like a waste to me..
might as well save $100 going with a Celeron if the performance
doesn't matter that much.

That board was a POS board I bought for a second computer. Only payed $ 85
for it a year ago. It has onboard vidio and sound. I think the processor
is even soldered on it. Somekind of an AMD 1.4 ghz processor that is not
really listed on their web page. That was a case of I knew what I was
getting. A low budget board to run my ham radio equipment. I thought it
was odd that they put all those sockets on it for memory. Especially the
ddr memory. I do have to give the board credit, it does work very well for
the price for what I do with it. Just would not recommend it to someone for
their only computer.
 
P

P. Lui

[snip]
Wow that's pretty unusual to have 3 for each type.
i don't quite understand why the OP wants to spend a premium for a P4
then cripple it with PC133 memory though, seems like a waste to me..
might as well save $100 going with a Celeron if the performance
doesn't matter that much.


Dave

um...may be you're right about the memory thing. So if ignoring that
criteria, what would be a cheap, good motherboard to get?
 
K

kony

[snip]
Wow that's pretty unusual to have 3 for each type.
i don't quite understand why the OP wants to spend a premium for a P4
then cripple it with PC133 memory though, seems like a waste to me..
might as well save $100 going with a Celeron if the performance
doesn't matter that much.


Dave

um...may be you're right about the memory thing. So if ignoring that
criteria, what would be a cheap, good motherboard to get?

I'm afraid I can't help there, don't have first-hand experience with
the limited choices for decent video on the P4 and too few people are
building good performance-on-a-budget around a P4... Usually Intel is
a solid motherboard choice but Intel's integrated video is slow even
for _integrated_ video. Asus makes good boards so if you liked the
board you picked it'd do DDR too but if it were me I'd squeeze an AGP
video card into the budget, even if it's an older model, inexpensive
one, which is going to open up a lot more choices unless you still
want/need it in mATX form.

I guess what I'm getting around to writing is that if you want
performance on a budget, you ought to be looking at an Athlon XP on an
nForce2 IGP (integrated video version) motherboard. Asus also makes
one of those, an A7N8X-VM, but many other manufacturers do too, so you
could go with one of the major brands to increase the quality, like
Asus, Abit, MSI, Gigabyte.


Dave
 
P

P. Lui

[snip]
I'm afraid I can't help there, don't have first-hand experience with
the limited choices for decent video on the P4 and too few people are
building good performance-on-a-budget around a P4... Usually Intel is
a solid motherboard choice but Intel's integrated video is slow even
for _integrated_ video. Asus makes good boards so if you liked the
board you picked it'd do DDR too but if it were me I'd squeeze an AGP
video card into the budget, even if it's an older model, inexpensive
one, which is going to open up a lot more choices unless you still
want/need it in mATX form.

I guess what I'm getting around to writing is that if you want
performance on a budget, you ought to be looking at an Athlon XP on an
nForce2 IGP (integrated video version) motherboard. Asus also makes
one of those, an A7N8X-VM, but many other manufacturers do too, so you
could go with one of the major brands to increase the quality, like
Asus, Abit, MSI, Gigabyte.


Dave


I'm sorry...did I say I wanted integrated video? I meant I wanted
recommendation on a cheap video card as well, but not integrated. The
reason why I wanted to go with Intel is that I read if the CPU gets
too hot, it'll power off by itself to avoid a melt down. I need my PC
to be really quiet because I sleep in the same room as the PC (college
dorm...). So I'm afraid if I put one of those quiet fans on, it'll
heat up too much and melt it down without me knowing what's wrong with
it. Is there a specific model of mobo that you could recommend?
There are so many...brand alone just don't cut it anymore!

Patrick
 
M

~misfit~

P. Lui said:
I'm sorry...did I say I wanted integrated video? I meant I wanted
recommendation on a cheap video card as well, but not integrated. The
reason why I wanted to go with Intel is that I read if the CPU gets
too hot, it'll power off by itself to avoid a melt down. I need my PC
to be really quiet because I sleep in the same room as the PC (college
dorm...). So I'm afraid if I put one of those quiet fans on, it'll
heat up too much and melt it down without me knowing what's wrong with
it. Is there a specific model of mobo that you could recommend?
There are so many...brand alone just don't cut it anymore!

Patrick

You don't need Intel for that. A lot of motherboard namufacturers have
built-in thermal cut-off. Soltek for instance. My Soltek nForce2 board shuts
down if the CPU thermal diode in the CPU hits 80°C.
 
K

kony

I'm sorry...did I say I wanted integrated video?

I suppose I just assumed because the suggested board had it.
I meant I wanted
recommendation on a cheap video card as well, but not integrated. The
reason why I wanted to go with Intel is that I read if the CPU gets
too hot, it'll power off by itself to avoid a melt down. I need my PC
to be really quiet because I sleep in the same room as the PC (college
dorm...). So I'm afraid if I put one of those quiet fans on, it'll
heat up too much and melt it down without me knowing what's wrong with
it. Is there a specific model of mobo that you could recommend?
There are so many...brand alone just don't cut it anymore!

Patrick

The key to reliable low-noise systems is using quality fans, not cheap
sleeve-bearing models that are subject to overheat. If you buy an
adequate heatsink and case with good cooling, overheating isn't an
issue. Intel CPUs actually run hotter now so you actually need a
louder fan to keep one at same temp.

I suggest you visit http://www.newegg.com and review the customer
comments as well as looking over a few motherboard reviews to find the
features you want in a board, but try to stick with one of the larger
brands which I listed before to increase quality.

The bottom line is that there are several, you can pick what you want.
For highest performance (even on a budget) I suggest looking at the
800FSB version of the P4 IF you want a P4. Of course that means a
motherboard supportive of it and PC3200 memory, but these are things
listed in the board specs. In other words I try to avoid recommending
specific motherboards, not only because I don't have experience with
ALL of them for a fair comparison, but also because it'd be impossible
to predict all the little incompatibilites with the seeminly infinite
possible parts used. If you just want a generic recommendation, try
an Asus board with Intel chipset, whichever fits the budget.


Dave
 
D

dummy

I have never trusted a motherboard designed for more than one type of
RAM. I would not trust that setup.
 
P

P. Lui

[snip]
The key to reliable low-noise systems is using quality fans, not cheap
sleeve-bearing models that are subject to overheat. If you buy an
adequate heatsink and case with good cooling, overheating isn't an
issue. Intel CPUs actually run hotter now so you actually need a
louder fan to keep one at same temp.

I suggest you visit http://www.newegg.com and review the customer
comments as well as looking over a few motherboard reviews to find the
features you want in a board, but try to stick with one of the larger
brands which I listed before to increase quality.

The bottom line is that there are several, you can pick what you want.
For highest performance (even on a budget) I suggest looking at the
800FSB version of the P4 IF you want a P4. Of course that means a
motherboard supportive of it and PC3200 memory, but these are things
listed in the board specs. In other words I try to avoid recommending
specific motherboards, not only because I don't have experience with
ALL of them for a fair comparison, but also because it'd be impossible
to predict all the little incompatibilites with the seeminly infinite
possible parts used. If you just want a generic recommendation, try
an Asus board with Intel chipset, whichever fits the budget.


Dave

Is there a set of heat sink & fan that you could suggest? I bought an
Athlon XP 2000+ about a year ago and used the fan that came with it on
another computer. That thing is reeeeeeaaaally noisey. In the summer
I finally changed the fan/heat sink and it's a lot more quiet now. I
changed it to...I believe it's called Galatico or something. It was
pretty cheap too. It was $25 Canadian, I think. Do you have any
suggestion for a heat sink/fan combo?

Patrick
 
K

kony

[snip]
The key to reliable low-noise systems is using quality fans, not cheap
sleeve-bearing models that are subject to overheat. If you buy an
adequate heatsink and case with good cooling, overheating isn't an
issue. Intel CPUs actually run hotter now so you actually need a
louder fan to keep one at same temp.

I suggest you visit http://www.newegg.com and review the customer
comments as well as looking over a few motherboard reviews to find the
features you want in a board, but try to stick with one of the larger
brands which I listed before to increase quality.

The bottom line is that there are several, you can pick what you want.
For highest performance (even on a budget) I suggest looking at the
800FSB version of the P4 IF you want a P4. Of course that means a
motherboard supportive of it and PC3200 memory, but these are things
listed in the board specs. In other words I try to avoid recommending
specific motherboards, not only because I don't have experience with
ALL of them for a fair comparison, but also because it'd be impossible
to predict all the little incompatibilites with the seeminly infinite
possible parts used. If you just want a generic recommendation, try
an Asus board with Intel chipset, whichever fits the budget.


Dave

Is there a set of heat sink & fan that you could suggest? I bought an
Athlon XP 2000+ about a year ago and used the fan that came with it on
another computer. That thing is reeeeeeaaaally noisey. In the summer
I finally changed the fan/heat sink and it's a lot more quiet now. I
changed it to...I believe it's called Galatico or something. It was
pretty cheap too. It was $25 Canadian, I think. Do you have any
suggestion for a heat sink/fan combo?

Patrick


I like the Thermalright line, those which can use an 80mm or larger
(by 25mm thick) fan, which includes AX-7, SK-7, and the whole SLK
series. The SLK-900 has some compatibility problems though, too big
for many motherboards.

On other Athlons I've used Alpha PAL8045 'sinks and liked those too,
but their performance is eclipsed by the Thermaltake SLK-800 and 9xxx
series, and 'sinks that mount through-board like the PAL8045 may limit
the compatible motherboards. Even so I like having it mount through
the board, knowing it's really on there good, no chance of falling
off.

Atop those use a 1800-2200 RPM fan, either dual ball-bearing or (only
Papst or Panaflo) sleeve bearing. That's just my preference though,
you'd get more performance with higher RPM but above about 2000 RPM
the fan is just beginning to be audible, of course depending on the
case and other noise-makers.

The Thermaltake Silent Boost isn't bad either, comes with a good
Panaflo fan... Most often you have to buy the fan seperately if you
wnat something geared towards lower noise, as 9/10 of the 'sinks out
there have fans that i'd consider noisey, else such poor performance
that they're clearly priced higher because they're being considered a
"niche product" instead of a higher-performance cooler paired with a
quiet fan. That's the general scheme I follow, get a 'sink an
overclocker would like then pair it with a large, lowest RPM high
quality fan. At worst someday when the CPU is old and seems slow the
fan will still be good used as a case fan.

You might also go somewhere like
http://www.newegg.com/app/manufactory.asp?catalog=62&DEPA=0 , where
you can filter the 'sinks by "80mm" size in the drop-down menu, then
choose something with, obviously an 80mm fan on it, but also with
either an all-copper bottom or copper inlay, though the 'sinks with
just a tiny round spot generally aren't very good, I mean one that's
mostly copper on the bottom, and I'd recommend something with a
triple-point socket clip or through-board mounting, not a single-point
clip for these larger 'sinks.



Dave
 
N

Nicolas The Great

Hi,

I'm looking to buy a PC. I've my sight set on one of those
hyper-threading intel CPU (possibly the 2.6C Ghz). However,
everything else is undecided. I want a motherboard that supports:
1. hyper threading
2. HD bigger than 137GB
3. USB 2.0
4. possibily supports both SD & DDR RAM (since I have quite a bit of
SD RAM left. I know DDR is faster but I don't intend to play game on
this box anyway.)
5. LAN (optional)

I was looking at ASUS' P4S533-MX. It's cheap and has everything that
I'm looking for but I've read on some threads that some users are
having problems with it.

As for video card, I can go with the cheapest ones out there since I
won't be gaming on it anyway. Any suggestion here?

All suggestions are welcomed! Thanks in advance!


I'll tell you, I saw a great budget PC at Walmart for $498
including a 17 inch monitor. It's a HP. I had to read the
the specs like ten times to make sure I wasn't losing my
mind. "All that for only $498" I said. No rebates or
nothing just $498. If I needed a PC I would buy this one.


Intel Celeron Processor at 2.4 GHz
HP Pavilion A305w-b PC
HP Pavilion V72 17-inch CRT monitor bundle Computer Solution (16
inches viewable on monitor)
Mobile
40 GB Ultra DMA hard drive
256 MB DDR-SDRAM
Integrated Intel Extreme Graphics with up to 64 MB shared memory
Memory speed 2100 MB per second
HP CD-Writer (CD-RW) 48x24x48
High-speed V.92 ready data/flex modem
Integrated 10/100 Base-T networking interface
3.5-inch (1.44 MB) floppy diskette drive
HP Pavilion USB-powered analog speakers
HP keyboard and PS/2 scroller mouse
Available slots: 2 PCI
Availble external ports: 5 USB 2.0, 1 serial, 1 parallel, 1 VGA
monitor port
Available bays: 1 external 5.25-inch and 3.5-inch; 1 internal 3.5-inch
Software included: Microsoft Windows XP Home Edition, Microsoft Works,
Microsoft Money 2003, Intuit Quicken New Users Edition 2003, RecordNow
easily create your own CDs, MusicMatch Jukebox; HP Image Zone digital
photography software suite


http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.gsp
product_id=2437904&cat=120870&type=19&dept=3944&path=0%3A3944%3A3951%3A41937%3A120870

Nick
 
P

P. Lui

[snip]
I'll tell you, I saw a great budget PC at Walmart for $498
including a 17 inch monitor. It's a HP. I had to read the
the specs like ten times to make sure I wasn't losing my
mind. "All that for only $498" I said. No rebates or
nothing just $498. If I needed a PC I would buy this one.


Intel Celeron Processor at 2.4 GHz
HP Pavilion A305w-b PC
HP Pavilion V72 17-inch CRT monitor bundle Computer Solution (16
inches viewable on monitor)
Mobile
40 GB Ultra DMA hard drive
256 MB DDR-SDRAM
Integrated Intel Extreme Graphics with up to 64 MB shared memory
Memory speed 2100 MB per second
HP CD-Writer (CD-RW) 48x24x48
High-speed V.92 ready data/flex modem
Integrated 10/100 Base-T networking interface
3.5-inch (1.44 MB) floppy diskette drive
HP Pavilion USB-powered analog speakers
HP keyboard and PS/2 scroller mouse
Available slots: 2 PCI
Availble external ports: 5 USB 2.0, 1 serial, 1 parallel, 1 VGA
monitor port
Available bays: 1 external 5.25-inch and 3.5-inch; 1 internal 3.5-inch
Software included: Microsoft Windows XP Home Edition, Microsoft Works,
Microsoft Money 2003, Intuit Quicken New Users Edition 2003, RecordNow
easily create your own CDs, MusicMatch Jukebox; HP Image Zone digital
photography software suite


http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.gsp
product_id=2437904&cat=120870&type=19&dept=3944&path=0%3A3944%3A3951%3A41937%3A120870

Nick


Wow...this does sound like a pretty good deal. However, I've always
wondered...what's the difference between a Celeron and a Pentium? It
seems to me that the price difference is quite big. Is there any
difference performance wise?

Patrick
 
C

Chris Stolworthy

Yes a significant performance difference. But since you said you won't be
gaming it *probably* won't be a huge thing for you. One thing to consider
is that if you do buy a celeron it will go out of date faster, because it is
basically a semi-crippled P4. I have never been a fan of budget processors
although I do admit *grudgingly* that they are good for some people.
 
N

Nicolas The Great

[snip]
I'll tell you, I saw a great budget PC at Walmart for $498
including a 17 inch monitor. It's a HP. I had to read the
the specs like ten times to make sure I wasn't losing my
mind. "All that for only $498" I said. No rebates or
nothing just $498. If I needed a PC I would buy this one.


Intel Celeron Processor at 2.4 GHz
HP Pavilion A305w-b PC
HP Pavilion V72 17-inch CRT monitor bundle Computer Solution (16
inches viewable on monitor)
Mobile
40 GB Ultra DMA hard drive
256 MB DDR-SDRAM
Integrated Intel Extreme Graphics with up to 64 MB shared memory
Memory speed 2100 MB per second
HP CD-Writer (CD-RW) 48x24x48
High-speed V.92 ready data/flex modem
Integrated 10/100 Base-T networking interface
3.5-inch (1.44 MB) floppy diskette drive
HP Pavilion USB-powered analog speakers
HP keyboard and PS/2 scroller mouse
Available slots: 2 PCI
Availble external ports: 5 USB 2.0, 1 serial, 1 parallel, 1 VGA
monitor port
Available bays: 1 external 5.25-inch and 3.5-inch; 1 internal 3.5-inch
Software included: Microsoft Windows XP Home Edition, Microsoft Works,
Microsoft Money 2003, Intuit Quicken New Users Edition 2003, RecordNow
easily create your own CDs, MusicMatch Jukebox; HP Image Zone digital
photography software suite


http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.gsp
product_id=2437904&cat=120870&type=19&dept=3944&path=0%3A3944%3A3951%3A41937%3A120870

Nick


Wow...this does sound like a pretty good deal. However, I've always
wondered...what's the difference between a Celeron and a Pentium? It
seems to me that the price difference is quite big. Is there any
difference performance wise?

Patrick



Well I have a Celeron 1.7 and I wanted to upgrade to a P4 2.0A and
most people say there would NOT be much of a difference in performance.
However, in gaming there would be a big difference in performance.
I guess the bigger cache 256 makes the difference in gaming.

Nick
 

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