Success of VB

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Robin Tucker

Unfortunately what the group troll does not understand is that formal
education is the bedrock upon which professionalism is built and upon which
lifes experiences are interpreted and assimilated. A broad education with
a CS major gives you a foundation for future learning. Without it you may
struggle to pick up new concepts and ideas. Something the group troll
existence proves.

At University I was taught basic principles. Practical assignments to make
those principles concrete were taught in the following languages: Prolog,
Occam, Modula-2, Oberon, Java, Visual Basic (3). At University I taught
myself C, C++ and Assembler. The point is that a University education is
not teaching you to walk in to an employer an expert in anything. It is a
guarantee to an employer you have at least covered the basic principles upon
which almost the entire base of CS knowledge is founded. The fact you
haven't had this experience probably explains your resistence to progress.
I on the other hand, did not struggle with the principles of VB.NET when I
moved from working with VB 6 or C++, because I already understood the basic
form. I am happy to work in any language and with any technology my
employer asks me to use.



Robin
 
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aaron.kempf

ROFL

good stuff kid

other than the FACT that I am a superior coder; you can lick my balls

I'm so sorry that you jumped on the 'what is the trendy programmning
language of the month' bandwagon



I don't think that a formal education is necessary.
I have a college degree in 'Management Information Systems' and I
don't think that I use 10% of what I was taught in school.

Maybe I should have gone into Computer Science; of course-- back then
they're teaching cobol and machine language
and they still are so **** them

Why would I want to go and study C++?

If colleges took VB seriously-- and built a whole degree around it--
then I might go back for secondary eduction

but until then? the colleges and universities of the world are still
preaching C++ _CRAP_ when VB obviously won the war
but until then? the colleges and universities of the world are still
preaching C++ _CRAP_ when VB obviously won the war
but until then? the colleges and universities of the world are still
preaching C++ _CRAP_ when VB obviously won the war
 
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aaron.kempf

yeah you should learn Microsoft Access if you're an Excel Dork

MIcrosoft Access is the most popular flavor of Visual Basic these
days.
I use a simple platform called 'Access Data Projects' that works great
with SQL Server


Highly reccomended-- that you focus on business apps-- financial
reporting for example- and screw crap like VB.net EXE and shareware..
ROFL


shareware


do you know Reporting Services?
SQL Server?
Oracle?
 
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aaron.kempf

I program in BASIC since 1982.. I was 8




I was once a car mechanic :-| :)

And this is the truth , i am not joking , and if i read this hole thread , i
see some people that in my opinion understand what it takes to be a true
programmer , and i see some people only focussing on degrees .

I program in basic since 13 years of age , and i could and can learn pretty
good ( autodidact ) , so after a career in the automotive ( last three
years , management level , and got all my certs to be a qualified mechanic
on the highest level ) i decided i wanted to make from my hobby my work .

So i got employed as a software tester , at a company who makes automotive
cataloging systems , as a person coming from the actuall business i was
perfect for the job of reviewing there software ( as i had also lots of
computer knowledge ) at some point they asked me if i could also do the
second line helpdesk , cause they noticed that i could solve lots of
installation errors .

In this position i also had access to computers with a dev environment ( VB
4 - 5 ) so in the silent hours i wrote a helpdesk program , in a later stage
i ported this program to the web for our european offices ( Classic ASP )
after a few years while these programs were even beeing sold to third
partys they asked me if i would like to join there development team .

The team existed out of 2 proggers and a designer , these university
skilled proggers never shared anny knowledge, even better they did there
best to make me feel bad as i was not a true progger cause i did not have
the formel education , i was just a "Hobbyist" who could not write a true
application in the way it was intended , so i started buying books from
Amazon and studyed ( i have a whole library by now ) i signed up with VUE
and started to study for my MCP`s

In the meanwhile it was noticed by the management that :

1. My customers where verry statisfied with me ( i could deliver what they
asked )
2. My programs where the most stable of the company with userbase of 20000
throughout Europe but the helpdesk lines were almost silent for my progs (
in contradiction to those of my co workers :) )

At a certain stage in my career at this company i was asked to create a
hughe web project with the designer ( VS.Net ) , however as this project
was so hughe the customer had rented a German firm to review all sources ,
when these people arived and started with there questions , i noticed that i
could verry easy give all the right answers ( and believe my i was verry
afraid of this encounter ) , when they reviewed and tested my source codes
( mainly the Business Logic components ) they were verry impressed and
certified everything without anny noticable problems . i did not have to
redo anny work source level at all ( only needed to change some
documentation )

I have written dozens of Winforms and Web applications commercial with a
userbase of 20000 users throughout europe ( only in germany the userbase was
already 6000 ) in VB 6 and VB.Net i did them all alone from scratch
inclusive installation routines .

My co workers now had a new one ,,,,, " You can only program so good
because you know the business so well , you have a unfair advantage opon us
, if you would have to make a program outside of the automotive you would
have been lost " .

Well i see why my good knowledge of the automotive branche would have made
my programs more as how the customer wants it , however i do not see why my
programs were more stable as there`s :)

However i never go away from a challenge so , last year after almost 8 years
deployment at this company i decided to quit this job , i currently work
internally for a big international firm , and work in a three man team on a
new internall production system, this firm relates to the energy sector i
got a contract for a half year
but after three months my manager wanted to talk to me ( i thought i was
going to be sacked ) however he offered me a new contract , one that is
valid until my retirement .

So i guess i am doing something good ??

In my opinion a good programmer is someone who is eager to learn and never
stops learning

I have once thought about getting my degree , however here in the
Netherlands these educations are verry expensive , and take a long time ( 4
years , for your BCH ) , and on the other hand if i need to explain to new
co workers who have these degrees what is BCNF and how a object preferably
should be constructed
i guess i do not need it .

But as i said i never stop learning , i am still a good customer of Amazon
and i buy all the self pacerd traing kits and the advanced topics books of
MS Press
i guess it is time to get some MCTS , MCPD certificates this year ( if i
can find the time to attend them ) .

i still do multiple disciplines of programming winforms , web ,
distributed ( remoting , COM , webservices )
so i have really gone from mechanic to enterprise developer :)

In the end the person makes the programmer not the paper

Michel Posseth

"Spam Catcher" <[email protected]> schreef in bericht






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aaron.kempf

RE:
Well, in the C# group I regularly see people coming from C++ who
write
horrible C# code because they try to apply low-level tricks they were
able
to use in C++.


Strongly agree

a C or Java background is WORTHLESS

America needs more people with a BUSINSS DEVELOPMENT CAPABILITY
Reportign and Data Entry-- anything else is a waste of time
 
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aaron.kempf

you think that writing TSR applications is a good thing?

**** YOURSELF KID TSR = DEATH TO THE PROGRAMMER
 

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