Son re-set password. What do I do?

R

Ralph

My 3 kids share one PC. I don't want them to have unlimited access
(all the time). When they have unlimited access they spend way too
much time on Myspace and AIM, and don't dow their homework.

I had this PC password protected as the Admistrator. So only a person
with the PW could access it. Then if/when one of our the kids had
completed chores and homework, we'd log on and give them access to the
PC. The system worked great.

But while he had access to the PC, my son figured out how to go on as
Adminstrator, and change the PW access. He set up a guest account and
has now locked me out of the Administrator rights. I asked him for
the PW, but he did not give it to me. Now I cant access the
Admistrator Feature to control access to the PC.

Sure, I can remove the PC, but there are two other children who use it.
That's not fair to them.

Is there any way I can regain control of this PC that I've "lost" to my
teen? (Please, no family counselors here. ha! ha!. I'm looking for
technical help, not family counseling). Thanks!
 
P

Pegasus \(MVP\)

Ralph said:
My 3 kids share one PC. I don't want them to have unlimited access
(all the time). When they have unlimited access they spend way too
much time on Myspace and AIM, and don't dow their homework.

I had this PC password protected as the Admistrator. So only a person
with the PW could access it. Then if/when one of our the kids had
completed chores and homework, we'd log on and give them access to the
PC. The system worked great.

But while he had access to the PC, my son figured out how to go on as
Adminstrator, and change the PW access. He set up a guest account and
has now locked me out of the Administrator rights. I asked him for
the PW, but he did not give it to me. Now I cant access the
Admistrator Feature to control access to the PC.

Sure, I can remove the PC, but there are two other children who use it.
That's not fair to them.

Is there any way I can regain control of this PC that I've "lost" to my
teen? (Please, no family counselors here. ha! ha!. I'm looking for
technical help, not family counseling). Thanks!

If you gave your car keys to your son and he refused to return
them, would you be stuck? Probably not. You would use your
spare keys. If you let your son have the password for the admin
account, are you stuck? Probably not: You would use the spare
admin account that you created for just this purpose. If you haven't
then it's time you did. Booting the machine with this disk will let
you reset the admin's password to a blank:
//home.eunet.no/~pnordahl/ntpasswd/bootdisk.html
 
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Guest

At login screen when you ask to enter the admin password press CTRL+ALT+DEL
twice to bring up the User Name and Password dialog box. In the User Name
type Administrator and leave the password blank (or use the password which
you set while installing Windows).

This little trick sometimes saves a lot of time.

Hope this help, let us know!
 
B

Bruce Chambers

Ralph said:
My 3 kids share one PC. I don't want them to have unlimited access
(all the time). When they have unlimited access they spend way too
much time on Myspace and AIM, and don't dow their homework.

I had this PC password protected as the Admistrator. So only a person
with the PW could access it. Then if/when one of our the kids had
completed chores and homework, we'd log on and give them access to the
PC. The system worked great.

But while he had access to the PC, my son figured out how to go on as
Adminstrator, and change the PW access. He set up a guest account and
has now locked me out of the Administrator rights. I asked him for
the PW, but he did not give it to me. Now I cant access the
Admistrator Feature to control access to the PC.


Who's the parent?

Sure, I can remove the PC, but there are two other children who use it.
That's not fair to them.

Is there any way I can regain control of this PC that I've "lost" to my
teen? (Please, no family counselors here. ha! ha!. I'm looking for
technical help, not family counseling). Thanks!

Then you shouldn't have admitted that your child has the better of you.

Simply log in using the built-in Administrator account (which
cannot be deleted) and modify the desired account(s) and use Start > Run
"control userpasswords2" to modify the desired account(s). By
design, the only way to log into the Administrator account of WinXP Home
is to reboot into Safe Mode. For WinXP Pro, pressing CTRL+ALT+DEL twice
at the Welcome Screen will produce the standard login dialog box.

How to Log On to Windows XP If You Forget Your Password or Your
Password Expires
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;Q321305

Failing that, Linux-based password cracking utilities abound on the
Internet, freely available to anyone who can use Google.

Once you've re-assumed your parental duties:

HOW TO Create and Configure User Accounts in Windows XP
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;279783

HOW TO Set, View, Change, or Remove File and Folder Permissions
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;q308418

HOW TO Use the Internet Explorer 6 Content Advisor to Control Access
to Web Sites in Internet Explorer
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;310401

Protect Your PC
http://www.microsoft.com/security/protect/default.asp

Microsoft Shared Computer Toolkit for Windows XP
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/sharedaccess/default.mspx

Doug Knox's Windows® XP Security Console
http://www.dougknox.com/xp/utils/xp_securityconsole.htm

For some requirements, you may find it easier to invest in a
3rd-party solution, such as NetNanny or CyberPatrol.

You need to be aware, however, that *NO* technical or software
solution is fool-proof, and _none_ can ever adequately take the place of
live adult supervision. If your friend cannot trust his children to
safely/properly use the computer without supervision, he may have to
consider limiting their access to it.


--

Bruce Chambers

Help us help you:



They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. -Benjamin Franklin

Many people would rather die than think; in fact, most do. -Bertrand Russell
 
B

Bruce Chambers

RajKohli said:
At login screen when you ask to enter the admin password press CTRL+ALT+DEL
twice to bring up the User Name and Password dialog box. In the User Name
type Administrator and leave the password blank (or use the password which
you set while installing Windows).

This little trick sometimes saves a lot of time.

.... Which is probably how the child assumed control to start with...


--

Bruce Chambers

Help us help you:



They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. -Benjamin Franklin

Many people would rather die than think; in fact, most do. -Bertrand Russell
 
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Pegasus \(MVP\)

Mmh. Do you think the OP was prepared to wait for a full
month with his little problem?
 
M

Malke

Pegasus said:
Mmh. Do you think the OP was prepared to wait for a full
month with his little problem?

Pegasus - This person is a spammer posting from somewhere in Russia. He does
this all the time; waits for a while and then posts fake spam replies to
old questions. He's probably the same person as "coal_brona" who has been
doing the identical thing for years.

Malke
 
M

Malke

Mrich said:
I would love to know how do you find these things out.
Just curious....

Find what things out? Where he's posting from? By looking at the headers and
then doing a whois on the originating IP address. I'm sure there's a way to
look at headers in Outlook Express (which I see you are using by looking at
*your* headers) but since I don't use OE I don't know it offhand. Look in
OE's Help or Google for "reading headers Outlook Express".

Malke
 
M

Mrich

"Where he's posting from? By looking at the headers and
then doing a whois on the originating IP address."

Thank you. That answered it.
By the way, I always read your answers to anyones questions.. Percise and to
the point.
Thanks again.
 
M

Malke

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Poprivet

Frank said:
?????You call your self a parent?????

And, YOU call YOURSELF capable of passing any useful information? Frankly,
Frank, you're a real dummy.

Pop`

 
C

Cowtoon

Pop ... you might have to be as sneaky as your teen ... and when the moment
arrives ... watch what he types to access the admin account. He either made
a good guess (perhaps already knew some of your favorite passwords) or
perhaps watched you type it enough times. Any controls you would have set
may still be in place. When greeted with denied access, he'll need to type
in the password. Be ready ... or setup a webcam that's activated by
movement (when he's not watching, of course). I believe some webcams can be
set to activate on movement (but I'm not entirely sure). I'd focus it on
the keyboard so that you can see what he types to login (when he logs in as
administrator, that is).

Perhaps you'll have to exert some parental authority here. Have you
considered a system reinstall???? Others might have better insight on
overcoming such a dilemma if your teen continues his act of defiance. The
other two kids might have to suffer because of their sibbling's behaviour.

These are just some random thoughts ... as I don't really think you have a
lot of options, but I'm happy to be wrong.
You might have some (tough) decisions to make! Good luck!
 
P

Poprivet

Cowtoon wrote:

Hi Cowtoon,
I'm not the OP but he'll still see the message I'm sure. Being lucky enough
to have already "passed through" that phase of life, it's easy to sit back
now and be a sideliner, unfortunately.
Pop ... you might have to be as sneaky as your teen ... and when the
moment arrives ... watch what he types to access the admin account. He
either made a good guess (perhaps already knew some of your
favorite passwords) or perhaps watched you type it enough times. Any
controls you would have set may still be in place. When greeted with
denied access, he'll need to type in the password. Be ready ... or
setup a webcam that's activated by movement (when he's not watching,
of course). I believe some webcams can be set to activate on
movement (but I'm not entirely sure). I'd focus it on the keyboard
so that you can see what he types to login (when he logs in as
administrator, that is).

One thing with kids that I've learned is, being as sneaky as they are isn't
necessarily a good way to keep/earn their respect, which is a requirement if
you're going to raise them right. You have to watch very closely for
resentment and overcome it if it lasts more than a day or so. That said:

There are some pretty covert ways to thwart this kind of thing, but in
general I would hope most kids wouldn't need them. What strikes me here is,
I suspect, as with many kids these days, they are using a computer in an
area where they are "private". That alone can lead to devilry if any
boredom at all sets in, which is quick to hapen with kids.

I'd think that between the IE Content Advisor and a good, password protected
net nanny program, the situation could be handled OK. His kid did fess up,
and is getting to see what it takes to "fix" the problems he caused. That's
a great beginning in my book.
The farthest I'd probably take covert applications might be to put in a
key-logger, but I also think I'd tell him it was there and that I could
search it for "http" anytime I wanted to, to see what sites he'd been to.

We had a foster child once who liked and knew about the porn sites (don't
you just love what they bring home from school?). At first I just checked
the history files to see where he'd been but I never explained to him how I
found out. That worked for awhile. Then I noticed he was clearing the MRU,
things like that, and realized he was "preparing" again and learning to
cover his tracks (school again).
SO: I have a TV Out on my video card, so I set it to Clone mode,
connected it to my TV, along with audio from my audio card, and bragged to
him about how I could now see my computer on the TV and how cool was that
etc.? So, he KNEW I could slip in at any time and see what he was doing
from any TV in the house by simple going to Channel 3.
But it didn't help. Fortunately, like most kids that age, it's easy to
tell when they're up to something, and it only took a couple days. I didn't
say anything because he was only at moderately adult sites for the time
being, but it let me hone my observational skills<g>. OH; my video settings
were password protected.
So next, I installed VNC, with a password of course, but I didn't tell
him. VNC is from SourceForge and a neat little program that lets you
operate a computer from another computer in real time. What I did do though
was explain how porn sites were full of malware and viruses and trojans.
"Trojans", just the word, got his attention <g>.
I started watching what he was doing when I thought he looked sneaky and
it wasn't long before he started in going for the porn again. Only now I
was watching him from my laptop and since I had control of his computer,
every time his cursor got near a porn link, I'd slide it off the link on
him. It took him hours to get to some sites he wanted very badly! When I
got tired of that, I just watched and as a site started to open, I'd close
the browser on him with a quick ALT-F-X or whatever it is. He looked a
little dejected after the first session. Next day he didn't use the
computer. Next day he finally asked again. Meantime, I'd changed his logon
password on him. He was convinced the computer was borked, and finally
broke down and told me about it.
I made a big deal out of "fixing" it, and gave him his new password, and
watched. It was a whole week before he tried to check a porn site.
Anyway, it took a couple more times and he gave up because my next step
was to simply set the Content Advisor up to keep him out of the things. I
also removed the door from the computer room for the rest of his stay with
us.
The next thing that happened was, pages started disappearing out of our
junk mails and catalogs; you know, the underwear ads and such.
I might add that, all through this, I was talking to him about the
downsides of the porn life, legality, how I could be arrested for child porn
he'd looked at and his future plans, all that.
He left here much better than when he arrived, and even sort of made us
honorary parents, since he had none (they threw him away). He left for
adoption, but that fell thru a couple months later, and about a month after
that he was arrested for a sex crime. We still hear from him now and then;
he really is a good kid, but he came from an abusive home, had no
upbringing, and was never raised while with his parents; drugs and all kind
of stuff. So, he's out of jail and doing fairly well now. He's even in a
junior college this year.

Wow! I did NOT mean to go off on a tangent like that. It's a good thing I
shortened the story! Apologies!

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