Shortcut keys cannot be re-used

[Guest]

I used to have a Shortcut Ctl-Alt-R which opened a User manual (actually for
Nero). I no longer want to do this as I am fairly used to Nero now and can
open it directly when I want to, so I changed the key to (none).

I later decided to re-use Ctl-Alt-R to invoke a program which will restart
the PC. (I changed the setting in this program to use this sequence.)

But I find that using Ctl-Alt-R still invokes the User manual. There was
some info. on a Microsoft KB document re this problem, but I can't get it to
work. I made sure that the old Shortcut had (none), then deleted it.

As there are limited letters to use with Ctl-Alt, the ability to reuse them
is important. Can anyone help?
However, the Ctl-Alt-R sequence still opend the Help Manual.

 

[Wesley Vogel]

Once you assign a shortcut key combination for a specific program, you will
not be able to use that key combination with other programs.

Find the Nero Help Manual or the shortcut to same. Delete the shortcut, if
it exists.

Follow the instructions below if no shortcut.

If you forget the key combination for your shortcut, you can follow steps 2
through 3 and review your shortcut keys.

2. Locate the program file (.exe) or the program's shortcut icon.
Right-click the program file or shortcut, and then click Properties.

3. Click the Program tab for an MS-DOS program or the Shortcut tab for a
Windows program.

 

[Guest]

Wes,

I am disappointed that I can't reassign a shortcut key to another program.
As I say, there are only so many combinations one can use before you run out
of keys - 26 alpha, 10 numeric (and perhaps the 12 Function keys although I
have ever tried these, so I don't know).

I have already deleted the shortcut to the Nero Help Manual, but before I
did, I made sure that the shortcut key was set to "(none)". Thanks for the
info. as to how to find what key is assigned to a particular shortcut, but
since changing it to "(none)" and deleting it makes no difference, it sort of
doesn't help too much.

Do you know where the info. is stored as to what shortcut key opens what
program?

Because the info. is retained after the shortcut itself is deleted, I would
assume that the info. must be stored in the Registry. But I searched the
registry for the value "BurningRom" (as the name of the program opened by the
shortcut key is "C:\Program Files\Ahead\Nero\NeroBurningRom_Eng.pdf"). But no
entry that I found seemed to contain any info. about shortcut key values.

If I could edit the registry to remove/change shortcut key assignments, that
would solve the problem.

Many thanks

 

[zulu]

When you assign a hotkey, make sure to do it from the shortcut in the
*Programs* list rather than elsewhere (i/e/ NOT from a copy of the shortcut)

Don't be frightened to use any unassigned *Function* keys as they do not
need trl/Alt as well...
I use F2 for WinTV, F4 for MSN etc...

You may find *Hotkey Detective* useful
http://tinyurl.com/3vurb
....and *Winkey* also
http://tinyurl.com/6seou

HTH

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[Wesley Vogel]

They are listed here and in Hex, which I can't read >>>

HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Control Panel\Input Method\Hot Keys

HKEY_USERS\.DEFAULT\Control Panel\Input Method\Hot Keys

HKEY_USERS\S-1-5-18\Control Panel\Input Method\Hot Keys

HKEY_USERS\S-1-5-21-1708537768-1580436667-1202660629-1003\Control
Panel\Input Method\Hot Keys

See zulu's post.

 

[Guest]

Zulu and Wes,
Thanks to you both

Zulu,
Yes, I will set the shortcut key as you suggested.
I will try different keys, including Function keys - sounds good.

Wes,
I have yet to try your suggestions for the Registry, but am looking forward
to it.

BTW,
I have managed to assign the key I used before to the new program. Whether
this is the only way or not or whetehr it will continue to work, I don't
know, but here is what I did.

I re-created the old Shortcut (it had been deleted) and enetered the old
shortcut key. I tested it and it worked (referring to the old program). I
then changed the key in that shortcut to "none" and tried the shortcut key
again - it did nothing (as one would hope). I then allocated the key to the
new program, tried it, and it worked !!

I still have the old shortcut with key set to "none", but that's OK - I just
moved it a general folder with other shortcuts - not the desktop, which I
don't want cluttered.

I don't know whether this is worth posting anywhere, as the KB article I
read (can't remember the number) said keys cannot be reallocated, as did you
, Wes.

Many thanks

 

[Guest]

Hi Wes,
I have had a look at these keys in the registry, but I can't make a lot of
sense of them.

In each of the first 3, there are 9 subkeys (I think that is what they are
called)
00000010, 00000011, 00000012, 00000070, 00000071, 00000072, 00000200,
00000201, 00000202.

The last (HKEY_USERS\S-1-5-21-1708537768-1580436667-1202660629-1003\Control
Panel\Input Method\Hot Keys) doesn't exist. Maybe this is machine specific.

One (I at least) would/might think that these represent the various shortcut
keys set. However, the ones that I know I have used are
B,D,E,K,L,N,O,P,Q,T,V,W,X,Z plus the one which caused the problem, namely R.
That makes more than 9!

Because I seem to have resolved the specific problem with the R shortcut, I
am not too concerned, but if you have any further ideas, then I would be
grateful.

Thanks

 

[David Candy]

Hotkeys is a multilanguage thing. AppKeys is the Volume keys et al on a keyboard, not normal keys.

The subkeys you refer to are commands (10 is enable/disable the IME - in chinese anyway). The key assigfned to that command is in the subkeys of that number. vk is the key and modifier is the ctrl/alt/shift pressed with that key.
Here's a list of numbers. Use calculator to convert to decimal. &H means it's a a hex number. So &H20 is hex 20 or decimal 32 (which is space). A is 65 and Z is 65+26-1(cos we start at 1 before A)=90. a is 97 so z is 96+26=122. 0 to 9 is 58 to 57.

Public Const MOD_ALT = &H1
Public Const MOD_CONTROL = &H2
Public Const MOD_SHIFT = &H4
[I'll guess the Winkey is &h8)

Const VK_LBUTTON = &H1
Const VK_RBUTTON = &H2
Const VK_CANCEL = &H3
Const VK_MBUTTON = &H4 ' NOT contiguous with L RBUTTON

Const VK_BACK = &H8
Const VK_TAB = &H9

Const VK_CLEAR = &HC
Const VK_RETURN = &HD

Const VK_SHIFT = &H10
Const VK_CONTROL = &H11
Const VK_MENU = &H12
Const VK_PAUSE = &H13
Const VK_CAPITAL = &H14

Const VK_ESCAPE = &H1B

Const VK_SPACE = &H20
Const VK_PRIOR = &H21
Const VK_NEXT = &H22
Const VK_END = &H23
Const VK_HOME = &H24
Const VK_LEFT = &H25
Const VK_UP = &H26
Const VK_RIGHT = &H27
Const VK_DOWN = &H28
Const VK_SELECT = &H29
Const VK_PRINT = &H2A
Const VK_EXECUTE = &H2B
Const VK_SNAPSHOT = &H2C
Const VK_INSERT = &H2D
Const VK_DELETE = &H2E
Const VK_HELP = &H2F

' VK_A thru VK_Z are the same as their ASCII equivalents: 'A' thru 'Z'
' VK_0 thru VK_9 are the same as their ASCII equivalents: '0' thru '9'

Const VK_NUMPAD0 = &H60
Const VK_NUMPAD1 = &H61
Const VK_NUMPAD2 = &H62
Const VK_NUMPAD3 = &H63
Const VK_NUMPAD4 = &H64
Const VK_NUMPAD5 = &H65
Const VK_NUMPAD6 = &H66
Const VK_NUMPAD7 = &H67
Const VK_NUMPAD8 = &H68
Const VK_NUMPAD9 = &H69
Const VK_MULTIPLY = &H6A
Const VK_ADD = &H6B
Const VK_SEPARATOR = &H6C
Const VK_SUBTRACT = &H6D
Const VK_DECIMAL = &H6E
Const VK_DIVIDE = &H6F
Const VK_F1 = &H70
Const VK_F2 = &H71
Const VK_F3 = &H72
Const VK_F4 = &H73
Const VK_F5 = &H74
Const VK_F6 = &H75
Const VK_F7 = &H76
Const VK_F8 = &H77
Const VK_F9 = &H78
Const VK_F10 = &H79
Const VK_F11 = &H7A
Const VK_F12 = &H7B
Const VK_F13 = &H7C
Const VK_F14 = &H7D
Const VK_F15 = &H7E
Const VK_F16 = &H7F
Const VK_F17 = &H80
Const VK_F18 = &H81
Const VK_F19 = &H82
Const VK_F20 = &H83
Const VK_F21 = &H84
Const VK_F22 = &H85
Const VK_F23 = &H86
Const VK_F24 = &H87

Const VK_NUMLOCK = &H90
Const VK_SCROLL = &H91

'
' VK_L VK_R - left and right Alt, Ctrl and Shift virtual keys.
' Used only as parameters to GetAsyncKeyState() and GetKeyState().
' No other API or message will distinguish left and right keys in this way.
' /
Const VK_LSHIFT = &HA0
Const VK_RSHIFT = &HA1
Const VK_LCONTROL = &HA2
Const VK_RCONTROL = &HA3
Const VK_LMENU = &HA4
Const VK_RMENU = &HA5

Const VK_ATTN = &HF6
Const VK_CRSEL = &HF7
Const VK_EXSEL = &HF8
Const VK_EREOF = &HF9
Const VK_PLAY = &HFA
Const VK_ZOOM = &HFB
Const VK_NONAME = &HFC
Const VK_PA1 = &HFD
Const VK_OEM_CLEAR = &HFE

Remember that F12 is not to be used as a hotkey. If using the international keyboard then Ctrl + Left Hand Side Alt = Right hand side Alt. While this works correctly there is potential for conflict.

Also any program can set a hotkey. Also any application can have a hotkey to it's window set when it's started. Very little to do with hotkeys involves the registry. It's programs doing stuff.

 

[Wesley Vogel]

Trevor,

See David Candy's post. I mentioned that I couldn't read hex, he can.

Glad to hear that you got it sorted out.

BTW, I'm still deciphering David's post. And working on 49 other
things.

 

[Guest]

Wes,
Hi again,

Yes, David's post does take a bit of deciphering !

As for reading hex, the Standard Calculator will allow you to convert. For
Hex to Dec, change to Scientific view (from the View menu entry), click on
Hex, enter a number in Hex, then click on Dec to convert (and vice versa for
Dec to Hex).

Good luck with the 49 other things. It is great to have people such as you.
Sometimes I can actually contribute myself as I learn a bit more !!

 

[David Candy]

http://www.microsoft.com/globaldev/outreach/dnloads/downloads.mspx

is a upgraded calculator with lots of conversions, incl to units I've not heard off. It has three modes - normal, scientific (both look same as old one), and conversions. (I metre = 4 keub or 1 metre = 0.333 shaku). Cask wine is big in Australia. It's normally sold in 0.002 kwian containers.

It also does currency conversions. But only supports auto updating of rates for the Euro.

 

[David Candy]

PS
€1= A$1.6657


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is a upgraded calculator with lots of conversions, incl to units I've not heard off. It has three modes - normal, scientific (both look same as old one), and conversions. (I metre = 4 keub or 1 metre = 0.333 shaku). Cask wine is big in Australia. It's normally sold in 0.002 kwian containers.

It also does currency conversions. But only supports auto updating of rates for the Euro.

 

[Guest]

Hi David,
I have downloaded Calculator Plus.

Yes, I checked out the conversion from litres (or liters as it is spelt -
U.S. spelling, no doubt) to kwian. 4 litres certainly is 0.002 kwian, which
means a kwian is 2000 litres. I wonder who uses it ?!

Of couse, some winemakers sell 5 litre wine casks in Australia, so that
would be 0.0025 kwian - I must try asking for a 0.0025 kwian wine cask at my
local LiquorLand

You're right, it doesn't support conversion from $AUS to Euro, or for that
matter, to any other currency except those which have now converted to the
Euro. The currency conversion seems to be there just for historic purposes,
as the rates are locked in as at 1 January 1999 (even after I did an update
of the rates)!!

There are other websites which will convert currency. I presume that is
where you got the $AUS conversion from.

Cheers

 

[David Candy]

I read the help file today because I remembered it didn't seem to work. But you can convert from euro to any other currency but you have to choose Import from the Edit menu first (to get current rates).

 

[Guest]

Wes and David,

All good things come to an end.

I now find that Ctl-Alt-R invokes the old program again - Nero BurningRom
Help Manual. (I have restarted the computer since it last worked as I wanted.)

The contents of HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Control Panel\Input Method\Hot Keys follows

START
Windows Registry Editor Version 5.00

[HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Control Panel\Input Method\Hot Keys]

[HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Control Panel\Input Method\Hot Keys\00000010]
"Key Modifiers"=hex:02,c0,00,00
"Target IME"=hex:00,00,00,00
"Virtual Key"=hex:20,00,00,00

[HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Control Panel\Input Method\Hot Keys\00000011]
"Key Modifiers"=hex:04,c0,00,00
"Target IME"=hex:00,00,00,00
"Virtual Key"=hex:20,00,00,00

[HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Control Panel\Input Method\Hot Keys\00000012]
"Key Modifiers"=hex:02,c0,00,00
"Target IME"=hex:00,00,00,00
"Virtual Key"=hex:be,00,00,00

[HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Control Panel\Input Method\Hot Keys\00000070]
"Key Modifiers"=hex:02,c0,00,00
"Target IME"=hex:00,00,00,00
"Virtual Key"=hex:20,00,00,00

[HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Control Panel\Input Method\Hot Keys\00000071]
"Key Modifiers"=hex:04,c0,00,00
"Target IME"=hex:00,00,00,00
"Virtual Key"=hex:20,00,00,00

[HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Control Panel\Input Method\Hot Keys\00000072]
"Key Modifiers"=hex:03,c0,00,00
"Target IME"=hex:00,00,00,00
"Virtual Key"=hex:bc,00,00,00

[HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Control Panel\Input Method\Hot Keys\00000200]
"Key Modifiers"=hex:03,c0,00,00
"Target IME"=hex:00,00,00,00
"Virtual Key"=hex:47,00,00,00

[HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Control Panel\Input Method\Hot Keys\00000201]
"Key Modifiers"=hex:03,c0,00,00
"Target IME"=hex:00,00,00,00
"Virtual Key"=hex:4b,00,00,00

[HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Control Panel\Input Method\Hot Keys\00000202]
"Key Modifiers"=hex:03,c0,00,00
"Target IME"=hex:00,00,00,00
"Virtual Key"=hex:4c,00,00,00
END

It is difficult to understand what these mean, but I certainly cannot find
any reference to Ctl-Alt-R

From what you (David) said,
Ctl-Alt should be &H03
R should be &H52
This combination does not appear anywhere!

So I assume that the reference to Ctl-Alt-R is not stored in Hot Keys

Any ideas?

It doesn't have to involve Registry tweaking so long as I can reuse the Key
(or any other key, for that matter) .

Cheers

 

[David Candy]

The point is they are ONLY multi language hotkeys for use only with multi language features. It is Soooooooooo unlikely to be under here.

So there are two ways (apart from these multilingual features) of setting a hotkey. In shortcuts on Start Menu or Desktop items. By a program registering a hotkey when that program is started.

I presume Nero doesn't do this?
You have checked all shortcuts (after all it could be in a shortcut to an item you deleted and Windows found the closest match for you)?

Tweakui Ver 1.33 has a repair hotkey feature.
http://www.microsoft.com/NTWorkstation/downloads/PowerToys/Networking/NTTweakUI.asp

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Wes and David,

All good things come to an end.

I now find that Ctl-Alt-R invokes the old program again - Nero BurningRom
Help Manual. (I have restarted the computer since it last worked as I wanted.)

The contents of HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Control Panel\Input Method\Hot Keys follows

START
Windows Registry Editor Version 5.00

[HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Control Panel\Input Method\Hot Keys]

[HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Control Panel\Input Method\Hot Keys\00000010]
"Key Modifiers"=hex:02,c0,00,00
"Target IME"=hex:00,00,00,00
"Virtual Key"=hex:20,00,00,00

[HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Control Panel\Input Method\Hot Keys\00000011]
"Key Modifiers"=hex:04,c0,00,00
"Target IME"=hex:00,00,00,00
"Virtual Key"=hex:20,00,00,00

[HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Control Panel\Input Method\Hot Keys\00000012]
"Key Modifiers"=hex:02,c0,00,00
"Target IME"=hex:00,00,00,00
"Virtual Key"=hex:be,00,00,00

[HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Control Panel\Input Method\Hot Keys\00000070]
"Key Modifiers"=hex:02,c0,00,00
"Target IME"=hex:00,00,00,00
"Virtual Key"=hex:20,00,00,00

[HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Control Panel\Input Method\Hot Keys\00000071]
"Key Modifiers"=hex:04,c0,00,00
"Target IME"=hex:00,00,00,00
"Virtual Key"=hex:20,00,00,00

[HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Control Panel\Input Method\Hot Keys\00000072]
"Key Modifiers"=hex:03,c0,00,00
"Target IME"=hex:00,00,00,00
"Virtual Key"=hex:bc,00,00,00

[HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Control Panel\Input Method\Hot Keys\00000200]
"Key Modifiers"=hex:03,c0,00,00
"Target IME"=hex:00,00,00,00
"Virtual Key"=hex:47,00,00,00

[HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Control Panel\Input Method\Hot Keys\00000201]
"Key Modifiers"=hex:03,c0,00,00
"Target IME"=hex:00,00,00,00
"Virtual Key"=hex:4b,00,00,00

[HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Control Panel\Input Method\Hot Keys\00000202]
"Key Modifiers"=hex:03,c0,00,00
"Target IME"=hex:00,00,00,00
"Virtual Key"=hex:4c,00,00,00
END

It is difficult to understand what these mean, but I certainly cannot find
any reference to Ctl-Alt-R

From what you (David) said,
Ctl-Alt should be &H03
R should be &H52
This combination does not appear anywhere!

So I assume that the reference to Ctl-Alt-R is not stored in Hot Keys

Any ideas?

It doesn't have to involve Registry tweaking so long as I can reuse the Key
(or any other key, for that matter) .

Cheers

Trevor,

See David Candy's post. I mentioned that I couldn't read hex, he can.

Glad to hear that you got it sorted out.

BTW, I'm still deciphering David's post. And working on 49 other
things.

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Wes

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[Guest]

David,
Thanks.

So that is not the right place to look.

I set the hotkey in the normal way. I created a shortcut to the Nero Manual
on the desktop and then set the key in the shortcut. I doubt that Nero set
anything.

Yes, it was a shortcut that I deleted, but then I reinstated it and set the
key to "none". I then used the same key in another program, which I think
works the second way, i.e. the program registers the key. (Although I wonder
where!)

I will have a look at Tweakui Ver 1.33 and see what I can find. I already
have a version of TweakUI (File Version 2.10.0.0). If the other one is later
and has more features, including repairing hot keys that would be great.

Thanks for the help to date.

The point is they are ONLY multi language hotkeys for use only with multi language features. It is Soooooooooo unlikely to be under here.

So there are two ways (apart from these multilingual features) of setting a hotkey. In shortcuts on Start Menu or Desktop items. By a program registering a hotkey when that program is started.

I presume Nero doesn't do this?
You have checked all shortcuts (after all it could be in a shortcut to an item you deleted and Windows found the closest match for you)?

Tweakui Ver 1.33 has a repair hotkey feature.
http://www.microsoft.com/NTWorkstation/downloads/PowerToys/Networking/NTTweakUI.asp

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Wes and David,

All good things come to an end.

I now find that Ctl-Alt-R invokes the old program again - Nero BurningRom
Help Manual. (I have restarted the computer since it last worked as I wanted.)

The contents of HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Control Panel\Input Method\Hot Keys follows

START
Windows Registry Editor Version 5.00

[HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Control Panel\Input Method\Hot Keys]

[HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Control Panel\Input Method\Hot Keys\00000010]
"Key Modifiers"=hex:02,c0,00,00
"Target IME"=hex:00,00,00,00
"Virtual Key"=hex:20,00,00,00

[HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Control Panel\Input Method\Hot Keys\00000011]
"Key Modifiers"=hex:04,c0,00,00
"Target IME"=hex:00,00,00,00
"Virtual Key"=hex:20,00,00,00

[HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Control Panel\Input Method\Hot Keys\00000012]
"Key Modifiers"=hex:02,c0,00,00
"Target IME"=hex:00,00,00,00
"Virtual Key"=hex:be,00,00,00

[HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Control Panel\Input Method\Hot Keys\00000070]
"Key Modifiers"=hex:02,c0,00,00
"Target IME"=hex:00,00,00,00
"Virtual Key"=hex:20,00,00,00

[HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Control Panel\Input Method\Hot Keys\00000071]
"Key Modifiers"=hex:04,c0,00,00
"Target IME"=hex:00,00,00,00
"Virtual Key"=hex:20,00,00,00

[HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Control Panel\Input Method\Hot Keys\00000072]
"Key Modifiers"=hex:03,c0,00,00
"Target IME"=hex:00,00,00,00
"Virtual Key"=hex:bc,00,00,00

[HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Control Panel\Input Method\Hot Keys\00000200]
"Key Modifiers"=hex:03,c0,00,00
"Target IME"=hex:00,00,00,00
"Virtual Key"=hex:47,00,00,00

[HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Control Panel\Input Method\Hot Keys\00000201]
"Key Modifiers"=hex:03,c0,00,00
"Target IME"=hex:00,00,00,00
"Virtual Key"=hex:4b,00,00,00

[HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Control Panel\Input Method\Hot Keys\00000202]
"Key Modifiers"=hex:03,c0,00,00
"Target IME"=hex:00,00,00,00
"Virtual Key"=hex:4c,00,00,00
END

It is difficult to understand what these mean, but I certainly cannot find
any reference to Ctl-Alt-R

From what you (David) said,
Ctl-Alt should be &H03
R should be &H52
This combination does not appear anywhere!

So I assume that the reference to Ctl-Alt-R is not stored in Hot Keys

Any ideas?

It doesn't have to involve Registry tweaking so long as I can reuse the Key
(or any other key, for that matter) .

Cheers

Trevor,

See David Candy's post. I mentioned that I couldn't read hex, he can.

Glad to hear that you got it sorted out.

BTW, I'm still deciphering David's post. And working on 49 other
things.

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Hope this helps. Let us know.
Wes

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Zulu and Wes,
Thanks to you both

Zulu,
Yes, I will set the shortcut key as you suggested.
I will try different keys, including Function keys - sounds good.

Wes,
I have yet to try your suggestions for the Registry, but am looking
forward to it.

BTW,
I have managed to assign the key I used before to the new program.
Whether this is the only way or not or whetehr it will continue to
work, I don't know, but here is what I did.

I re-created the old Shortcut (it had been deleted) and enetered the
old shortcut key. I tested it and it worked (referring to the old
program). I then changed the key in that shortcut to "none" and tried
the shortcut key again - it did nothing (as one would hope). I then
allocated the key to the new program, tried it, and it worked !!

I still have the old shortcut with key set to "none", but that's OK -
I just moved it a general folder with other shortcuts - not the
desktop, which I don't want cluttered.

I don't know whether this is worth posting anywhere, as the KB
article I read (can't remember the number) said keys cannot be
reallocated, as did you , Wes.

Many thanks

:

Wes,

I am disappointed that I can't reassign a shortcut key to another
program. As I say, there are only so many combinations one can use
before you run out of keys - 26 alpha, 10 numeric (and perhaps the
12 Function keys although I have ever tried these, so I don't know).

I have already deleted the shortcut to the Nero Help Manual, but
before I did, I made sure that the shortcut key was set to "(none)".
Thanks for the info. as to how to find what key is assigned to a
particular shortcut, but since changing it to "(none)" and deleting
it makes no difference, it sort of doesn't help too much.

Do you know where the info. is stored as to what shortcut key opens
what program?

Because the info. is retained after the shortcut itself is deleted,
I would assume that the info. must be stored in the Registry. But I
searched the registry for the value "BurningRom" (as the name of the
program opened by the shortcut key is "C:\Program
Files\Ahead\Nero\NeroBurningRom_Eng.pdf"). But no entry that I found
seemed to contain any info. about shortcut key values.

If I could edit the registry to remove/change shortcut key
assignments, that would solve the problem.

Many thanks

:

Once you assign a shortcut key combination for a specific program,
you will not be able to use that key combination with other
programs.

Find the Nero Help Manual or the shortcut to same. Delete the
shortcut, if it exists.

Follow the instructions below if no shortcut.

If you forget the key combination for your shortcut, you can follow
steps 2 through 3 and review your shortcut keys.

2. Locate the program file (.exe) or the program's shortcut icon.
Right-click the program file or shortcut, and then click Properties.

3. Click the Program tab for an MS-DOS program or the Shortcut tab
for a Windows program.

--
Hope this helps. Let us know.
Wes

In Trevor L. <[email protected]> hunted and pecked:
I used to have a Shortcut Ctl-Alt-R which opened a User manual
(actually for Nero). I no longer want to do this as I am fairly
used to Nero now and can open it directly when I want to, so I
changed the key to (none).

I later decided to re-use Ctl-Alt-R to invoke a program which will
restart the PC. (I changed the setting in this program to use this
sequence.)

But I find that using Ctl-Alt-R still invokes the User manual.
There was some info. on a Microsoft KB document re this problem,
but I can't get it to work. I made sure that the old Shortcut had
(none), then deleted it.

As there are limited letters to use with Ctl-Alt, the ability to
reuse them is important. Can anyone help?
However, the Ctl-Alt-R sequence still opend the Help Manual.

 

[David Candy]

All tweakui have features that the other don't. 1.33 was written for new features introduced with Win ME / Win 2000. It's the only version to repair hotkeys.

If you want to edit Add/Remove you need the first Tweakui for 95.

My whole point of joining in was to say those registry keys are probably irrelevent.

When starting a program one can specify a hotkey for the main window. A program can register a hotkey for it's own main window. Or it can register global hotkeys (ie not just for the main window).

None of these are shortcut hotkeys. They are registered in memory. Presumbably Explorer is registering global hot keys on startup and then starts the whatever when windows tells explorer it has been pressed. But that's a guess.

I've attached a script that prints hotkey in a msgbox, and include the content in the body here

on error resume next
set WshShell = WScript.CreateObject("WScript.Shell")
Dim A
Dim Ag
Set Ag=Wscript.Arguments
If Ag.Count > 0 then
For x = 0 to Ag.Count -1
A = A & Ag(x)
Next
End If
Set FSO = CreateObject("Scripting.FileSystemObject")
f=FSO.GetFile(A)
set lnk = WshShell.CreateShortcut(A)
If lnk.hotkey <> "" then
msgbox A & vbcrlf & lnk.hotkey
End If

To use type cmd in start Run

Explorer looks in 4 places for hotkeys, these are read on startup. The hotkey is stored in the shortcut. Only hotkeys on shortcuts in the four locations are live.

Type in a command prompt

cd %UserProfile%\desktop
for %A in (*.lnk) do findhotkey.vbs "%1"
for %A in (*.pif) do findhotkey.vbs "%1"
for %A in (*.url) do findhotkey.vbs "%1"
cd %AllUsersProfile%\desktop
for %A in (*.lnk) do findhotkey.vbs "%1"
for %A in (*.pif) do findhotkey.vbs "%1"
for %A in (*.url) do findhotkey.vbs "%1"
cd %UserProfile%\Start Menu
for /r %A in (*.lnk) do findhotkey.vbs "%1"
for /r %A in (*.pif) do findhotkey.vbs "%1"
for /r %A in (*.url) do findhotkey.vbs "%1"
cd %AllUsersProfile%\Start Menu
for /r %A in (*.lnk) do findhotkey.vbs "%1"
for /r %A in (*.pif) do findhotkey.vbs "%1"
for /r %A in (*.url) do findhotkey.vbs "%1"

Each shortcut, that has a hotkey, will pop up a dialog with the name of the shortcut and it's hotkey.

You may have path problems. To make it work put in c:\ and change

for %A in (*.url) do c:\findhotkey.vbs "%1"

as all these directory changes may make it difficult for the script to be found (but shorten the amount of typing for the start menu FORs).

Ctrl + C Copies the text of a message box to the clipboard.

It is not reccommended that Ctrl + Alt be used with Hotkeys. Ctrl + left hand side Alt = Right hand side Alt and enters international characters if using the US International keyboard. Also F12 is reserved for the use of debuggers.



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David,
Thanks.

So that is not the right place to look.

I set the hotkey in the normal way. I created a shortcut to the Nero Manual
on the desktop and then set the key in the shortcut. I doubt that Nero set
anything.

Yes, it was a shortcut that I deleted, but then I reinstated it and set the
key to "none". I then used the same key in another program, which I think
works the second way, i.e. the program registers the key. (Although I wonder
where!)

I will have a look at Tweakui Ver 1.33 and see what I can find. I already
have a version of TweakUI (File Version 2.10.0.0). If the other one is later
and has more features, including repairing hot keys that would be great.

Thanks for the help to date.

The point is they are ONLY multi language hotkeys for use only with multi language features. It is Soooooooooo unlikely to be under here.

So there are two ways (apart from these multilingual features) of setting a hotkey. In shortcuts on Start Menu or Desktop items. By a program registering a hotkey when that program is started.

I presume Nero doesn't do this?
You have checked all shortcuts (after all it could be in a shortcut to an item you deleted and Windows found the closest match for you)?

Tweakui Ver 1.33 has a repair hotkey feature.
http://www.microsoft.com/NTWorkstation/downloads/PowerToys/Networking/NTTweakUI.asp

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Wes and David,

All good things come to an end.

I now find that Ctl-Alt-R invokes the old program again - Nero BurningRom
Help Manual. (I have restarted the computer since it last worked as I wanted.)

The contents of HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Control Panel\Input Method\Hot Keys follows

START
Windows Registry Editor Version 5.00

[HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Control Panel\Input Method\Hot Keys]

[HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Control Panel\Input Method\Hot Keys\00000010]
"Key Modifiers"=hex:02,c0,00,00
"Target IME"=hex:00,00,00,00
"Virtual Key"=hex:20,00,00,00

[HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Control Panel\Input Method\Hot Keys\00000011]
"Key Modifiers"=hex:04,c0,00,00
"Target IME"=hex:00,00,00,00
"Virtual Key"=hex:20,00,00,00

[HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Control Panel\Input Method\Hot Keys\00000012]
"Key Modifiers"=hex:02,c0,00,00
"Target IME"=hex:00,00,00,00
"Virtual Key"=hex:be,00,00,00

[HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Control Panel\Input Method\Hot Keys\00000070]
"Key Modifiers"=hex:02,c0,00,00
"Target IME"=hex:00,00,00,00
"Virtual Key"=hex:20,00,00,00

[HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Control Panel\Input Method\Hot Keys\00000071]
"Key Modifiers"=hex:04,c0,00,00
"Target IME"=hex:00,00,00,00
"Virtual Key"=hex:20,00,00,00

[HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Control Panel\Input Method\Hot Keys\00000072]
"Key Modifiers"=hex:03,c0,00,00
"Target IME"=hex:00,00,00,00
"Virtual Key"=hex:bc,00,00,00

[HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Control Panel\Input Method\Hot Keys\00000200]
"Key Modifiers"=hex:03,c0,00,00
"Target IME"=hex:00,00,00,00
"Virtual Key"=hex:47,00,00,00

[HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Control Panel\Input Method\Hot Keys\00000201]
"Key Modifiers"=hex:03,c0,00,00
"Target IME"=hex:00,00,00,00
"Virtual Key"=hex:4b,00,00,00

[HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Control Panel\Input Method\Hot Keys\00000202]
"Key Modifiers"=hex:03,c0,00,00
"Target IME"=hex:00,00,00,00
"Virtual Key"=hex:4c,00,00,00
END

It is difficult to understand what these mean, but I certainly cannot find
any reference to Ctl-Alt-R

From what you (David) said,
Ctl-Alt should be &H03
R should be &H52
This combination does not appear anywhere!

So I assume that the reference to Ctl-Alt-R is not stored in Hot Keys

Any ideas?

It doesn't have to involve Registry tweaking so long as I can reuse the Key
(or any other key, for that matter) .

Cheers

:

Trevor,

See David Candy's post. I mentioned that I couldn't read hex, he can.

Glad to hear that you got it sorted out.

BTW, I'm still deciphering David's post. And working on 49 other
things.

--
Hope this helps. Let us know.
Wes

In Trevor L. <[email protected]> hunted and pecked:
Zulu and Wes,
Thanks to you both

Zulu,
Yes, I will set the shortcut key as you suggested.
I will try different keys, including Function keys - sounds good.

Wes,
I have yet to try your suggestions for the Registry, but am looking
forward to it.

BTW,
I have managed to assign the key I used before to the new program.
Whether this is the only way or not or whetehr it will continue to
work, I don't know, but here is what I did.

I re-created the old Shortcut (it had been deleted) and enetered the
old shortcut key. I tested it and it worked (referring to the old
program). I then changed the key in that shortcut to "none" and tried
the shortcut key again - it did nothing (as one would hope). I then
allocated the key to the new program, tried it, and it worked !!

I still have the old shortcut with key set to "none", but that's OK -
I just moved it a general folder with other shortcuts - not the
desktop, which I don't want cluttered.

I don't know whether this is worth posting anywhere, as the KB
article I read (can't remember the number) said keys cannot be
reallocated, as did you , Wes.

Many thanks

:

Wes,

I am disappointed that I can't reassign a shortcut key to another
program. As I say, there are only so many combinations one can use
before you run out of keys - 26 alpha, 10 numeric (and perhaps the
12 Function keys although I have ever tried these, so I don't know).

I have already deleted the shortcut to the Nero Help Manual, but
before I did, I made sure that the shortcut key was set to "(none)".
Thanks for the info. as to how to find what key is assigned to a
particular shortcut, but since changing it to "(none)" and deleting
it makes no difference, it sort of doesn't help too much.

Do you know where the info. is stored as to what shortcut key opens
what program?

Because the info. is retained after the shortcut itself is deleted,
I would assume that the info. must be stored in the Registry. But I
searched the registry for the value "BurningRom" (as the name of the
program opened by the shortcut key is "C:\Program
Files\Ahead\Nero\NeroBurningRom_Eng.pdf"). But no entry that I found
seemed to contain any info. about shortcut key values.

If I could edit the registry to remove/change shortcut key
assignments, that would solve the problem.

Many thanks

:

Once you assign a shortcut key combination for a specific program,
you will not be able to use that key combination with other
programs.

Find the Nero Help Manual or the shortcut to same. Delete the
shortcut, if it exists.

Follow the instructions below if no shortcut.

If you forget the key combination for your shortcut, you can follow
steps 2 through 3 and review your shortcut keys.

2. Locate the program file (.exe) or the program's shortcut icon.
Right-click the program file or shortcut, and then click Properties.

3. Click the Program tab for an MS-DOS program or the Shortcut tab
for a Windows program.

--
Hope this helps. Let us know.
Wes

In Trevor L. <[email protected]> hunted and pecked:
I used to have a Shortcut Ctl-Alt-R which opened a User manual
(actually for Nero). I no longer want to do this as I am fairly
used to Nero now and can open it directly when I want to, so I
changed the key to (none).

I later decided to re-use Ctl-Alt-R to invoke a program which will
restart the PC. (I changed the setting in this program to use this
sequence.)

But I find that using Ctl-Alt-R still invokes the User manual.
There was some info. on a Microsoft KB document re this problem,
but I can't get it to work. I made sure that the old Shortcut had
(none), then deleted it.

As there are limited letters to use with Ctl-Alt, the ability to
reuse them is important. Can anyone help?
However, the Ctl-Alt-R sequence still opend the Help Manual.

 

[Guest]

Hi David,
Well, I managed to install TweakUI 1.33. It installs as a Control Panel
icon, which I didn't expect.

The Repair Hotkeys item was present, but using it made no difference, even
after restarting. The Ctl-Alt-R combination still opens the Nero BurningRom
Manual even there is no shortcut present with this set.

I can't get your scripts to run - clearly there is something I am doing
wrong. However, if they are intended to return the hotkeys for all shortcuts
on the desktop and Start Menu, I can actually look at what is set one by one,
although the fact that a key is retained after the shortcut is deleted means
this may not give all the info. needed.

At stage, solving this looks like being in the "too hard" basket

Ah well, these are the mysteries of XP

Cheers

All tweakui have features that the other don't. 1.33 was written for new features introduced with Win ME / Win 2000. It's the only version to repair hotkeys.

If you want to edit Add/Remove you need the first Tweakui for 95.

My whole point of joining in was to say those registry keys are probably irrelevent.

When starting a program one can specify a hotkey for the main window. A program can register a hotkey for it's own main window. Or it can register global hotkeys (ie not just for the main window).

None of these are shortcut hotkeys. They are registered in memory. Presumbably Explorer is registering global hot keys on startup and then starts the whatever when windows tells explorer it has been pressed. But that's a guess.

I've attached a script that prints hotkey in a msgbox, and include the content in the body here

on error resume next
set WshShell = WScript.CreateObject("WScript.Shell")
Dim A
Dim Ag
Set Ag=Wscript.Arguments
If Ag.Count > 0 then
For x = 0 to Ag.Count -1
A = A & Ag(x)
Next
End If
Set FSO = CreateObject("Scripting.FileSystemObject")
f=FSO.GetFile(A)
set lnk = WshShell.CreateShortcut(A)
If lnk.hotkey <> "" then
msgbox A & vbcrlf & lnk.hotkey
End If

To use type cmd in start Run

Explorer looks in 4 places for hotkeys, these are read on startup. The hotkey is stored in the shortcut. Only hotkeys on shortcuts in the four locations are live.

Type in a command prompt

cd %UserProfile%\desktop
for %A in (*.lnk) do findhotkey.vbs "%1"
for %A in (*.pif) do findhotkey.vbs "%1"
for %A in (*.url) do findhotkey.vbs "%1"
cd %AllUsersProfile%\desktop
for %A in (*.lnk) do findhotkey.vbs "%1"
for %A in (*.pif) do findhotkey.vbs "%1"
for %A in (*.url) do findhotkey.vbs "%1"
cd %UserProfile%\Start Menu
for /r %A in (*.lnk) do findhotkey.vbs "%1"
for /r %A in (*.pif) do findhotkey.vbs "%1"
for /r %A in (*.url) do findhotkey.vbs "%1"
cd %AllUsersProfile%\Start Menu
for /r %A in (*.lnk) do findhotkey.vbs "%1"
for /r %A in (*.pif) do findhotkey.vbs "%1"
for /r %A in (*.url) do findhotkey.vbs "%1"

Each shortcut, that has a hotkey, will pop up a dialog with the name of the shortcut and it's hotkey.

You may have path problems. To make it work put in c:\ and change

for %A in (*.url) do c:\findhotkey.vbs "%1"

as all these directory changes may make it difficult for the script to be found (but shorten the amount of typing for the start menu FORs).

Ctrl + C Copies the text of a message box to the clipboard.

It is not reccommended that Ctrl + Alt be used with Hotkeys. Ctrl + left hand side Alt = Right hand side Alt and enters international characters if using the US International keyboard. Also F12 is reserved for the use of debuggers.



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David,
Thanks.

So that is not the right place to look.

I set the hotkey in the normal way. I created a shortcut to the Nero Manual
on the desktop and then set the key in the shortcut. I doubt that Nero set
anything.

Yes, it was a shortcut that I deleted, but then I reinstated it and set the
key to "none". I then used the same key in another program, which I think
works the second way, i.e. the program registers the key. (Although I wonder
where!)

I will have a look at Tweakui Ver 1.33 and see what I can find. I already
have a version of TweakUI (File Version 2.10.0.0). If the other one is later
and has more features, including repairing hot keys that would be great.

Thanks for the help to date.

The point is they are ONLY multi language hotkeys for use only with multi language features. It is Soooooooooo unlikely to be under here.

So there are two ways (apart from these multilingual features) of setting a hotkey. In shortcuts on Start Menu or Desktop items. By a program registering a hotkey when that program is started.

I presume Nero doesn't do this?
You have checked all shortcuts (after all it could be in a shortcut to an item you deleted and Windows found the closest match for you)?

Tweakui Ver 1.33 has a repair hotkey feature.
http://www.microsoft.com/NTWorkstation/downloads/PowerToys/Networking/NTTweakUI.asp

--
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http://www.uscricket.com
Wes and David,

All good things come to an end.

I now find that Ctl-Alt-R invokes the old program again - Nero BurningRom
Help Manual. (I have restarted the computer since it last worked as I wanted.)

The contents of HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Control Panel\Input Method\Hot Keys follows

START
Windows Registry Editor Version 5.00

[HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Control Panel\Input Method\Hot Keys]

[HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Control Panel\Input Method\Hot Keys\00000010]
"Key Modifiers"=hex:02,c0,00,00
"Target IME"=hex:00,00,00,00
"Virtual Key"=hex:20,00,00,00

[HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Control Panel\Input Method\Hot Keys\00000011]
"Key Modifiers"=hex:04,c0,00,00
"Target IME"=hex:00,00,00,00
"Virtual Key"=hex:20,00,00,00

[HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Control Panel\Input Method\Hot Keys\00000012]
"Key Modifiers"=hex:02,c0,00,00
"Target IME"=hex:00,00,00,00
"Virtual Key"=hex:be,00,00,00

[HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Control Panel\Input Method\Hot Keys\00000070]
"Key Modifiers"=hex:02,c0,00,00
"Target IME"=hex:00,00,00,00
"Virtual Key"=hex:20,00,00,00

[HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Control Panel\Input Method\Hot Keys\00000071]
"Key Modifiers"=hex:04,c0,00,00
"Target IME"=hex:00,00,00,00
"Virtual Key"=hex:20,00,00,00

[HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Control Panel\Input Method\Hot Keys\00000072]
"Key Modifiers"=hex:03,c0,00,00
"Target IME"=hex:00,00,00,00
"Virtual Key"=hex:bc,00,00,00

[HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Control Panel\Input Method\Hot Keys\00000200]
"Key Modifiers"=hex:03,c0,00,00
"Target IME"=hex:00,00,00,00
"Virtual Key"=hex:47,00,00,00

[HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Control Panel\Input Method\Hot Keys\00000201]
"Key Modifiers"=hex:03,c0,00,00
"Target IME"=hex:00,00,00,00
"Virtual Key"=hex:4b,00,00,00

[HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Control Panel\Input Method\Hot Keys\00000202]
"Key Modifiers"=hex:03,c0,00,00
"Target IME"=hex:00,00,00,00
"Virtual Key"=hex:4c,00,00,00
END

It is difficult to understand what these mean, but I certainly cannot find
any reference to Ctl-Alt-R

From what you (David) said,
Ctl-Alt should be &H03
R should be &H52
This combination does not appear anywhere!

So I assume that the reference to Ctl-Alt-R is not stored in Hot Keys

Any ideas?

It doesn't have to involve Registry tweaking so long as I can reuse the Key
(or any other key, for that matter) .

Cheers

:

Trevor,

See David Candy's post. I mentioned that I couldn't read hex, he can.

Glad to hear that you got it sorted out.

BTW, I'm still deciphering David's post. And working on 49 other
things.

--
Hope this helps. Let us know.
Wes

In Trevor L. <[email protected]> hunted and pecked:
Zulu and Wes,
Thanks to you both

Zulu,
Yes, I will set the shortcut key as you suggested.
I will try different keys, including Function keys - sounds good.

Wes,
I have yet to try your suggestions for the Registry, but am looking
forward to it.

BTW,
I have managed to assign the key I used before to the new program.
Whether this is the only way or not or whetehr it will continue to
work, I don't know, but here is what I did.

I re-created the old Shortcut (it had been deleted) and enetered the
old shortcut key. I tested it and it worked (referring to the old
program). I then changed the key in that shortcut to "none" and tried
the shortcut key again - it did nothing (as one would hope). I then
allocated the key to the new program, tried it, and it worked !!

I still have the old shortcut with key set to "none", but that's OK -
I just moved it a general folder with other shortcuts - not the
desktop, which I don't want cluttered.

I don't know whether this is worth posting anywhere, as the KB
article I read (can't remember the number) said keys cannot be
reallocated, as did you , Wes.

Many thanks

:

Wes,

I am disappointed that I can't reassign a shortcut key to another
program. As I say, there are only so many combinations one can use
before you run out of keys - 26 alpha, 10 numeric (and perhaps the
12 Function keys although I have ever tried these, so I don't know).

I have already deleted the shortcut to the Nero Help Manual, but
before I did, I made sure that the shortcut key was set to "(none)".
Thanks for the info. as to how to find what key is assigned to a
particular shortcut, but since changing it to "(none)" and deleting
it makes no difference, it sort of doesn't help too much.

Do you know where the info. is stored as to what shortcut key opens
what program?

Because the info. is retained after the shortcut itself is deleted,
I would assume that the info. must be stored in the Registry. But I
searched the registry for the value "BurningRom" (as the name of the
program opened by the shortcut key is "C:\Program
Files\Ahead\Nero\NeroBurningRom_Eng.pdf"). But no entry that I found
seemed to contain any info. about shortcut key values.

If I could edit the registry to remove/change shortcut key
assignments, that would solve the problem.

Many thanks

:

Once you assign a shortcut key combination for a specific program,
you will not be able to use that key combination with other
programs.

Find the Nero Help Manual or the shortcut to same. Delete the
shortcut, if it exists.

Follow the instructions below if no shortcut.

If you forget the key combination for your shortcut, you can follow
steps 2 through 3 and review your shortcut keys.

2. Locate the program file (.exe) or the program's shortcut icon.
Right-click the program file or shortcut, and then click Properties.

3. Click the Program tab for an MS-DOS program or the Shortcut tab
for a Windows program.

--
Hope this helps. Let us know.
Wes

In Trevor L. <[email protected]> hunted and pecked:
I used to have a Shortcut Ctl-Alt-R which opened a User manual
(actually for Nero). I no longer want to do this as I am fairly
used to Nero now and can open it directly when I want to, so I
changed the key to (none).

I later decided to re-use Ctl-Alt-R to invoke a program which will
restart the PC. (I changed the setting in this program to use this
sequence.)

But I find that using Ctl-Alt-R still invokes the User manual.
There was some info. on a Microsoft KB document re this problem,
but I can't get it to work. I made sure that the old Shortcut had
(none), then deleted it.

As there are limited letters to use with Ctl-Alt, the ability to
reuse them is important. Can anyone help?
However, the Ctl-Alt-R sequence still opend the Help Manual.

 

[David Candy]

It's worked out at boot time. Put that script into c:\ and the bat file then type

c:\findhotkey.bat

I had %1 instead of %A at the end of the line. Attached it as a bat file.

Then you need to do clean boot troubleshooting
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;316434&FR=1&PA=1&SD=HSCH
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Hi David,
Well, I managed to install TweakUI 1.33. It installs as a Control Panel
icon, which I didn't expect.

The Repair Hotkeys item was present, but using it made no difference, even
after restarting. The Ctl-Alt-R combination still opens the Nero BurningRom
Manual even there is no shortcut present with this set.

I can't get your scripts to run - clearly there is something I am doing
wrong. However, if they are intended to return the hotkeys for all shortcuts
on the desktop and Start Menu, I can actually look at what is set one by one,
although the fact that a key is retained after the shortcut is deleted means
this may not give all the info. needed.

At stage, solving this looks like being in the "too hard" basket

Ah well, these are the mysteries of XP

Cheers

All tweakui have features that the other don't. 1.33 was written for new features introduced with Win ME / Win 2000. It's the only version to repair hotkeys.

If you want to edit Add/Remove you need the first Tweakui for 95.

My whole point of joining in was to say those registry keys are probably irrelevent.

When starting a program one can specify a hotkey for the main window. A program can register a hotkey for it's own main window. Or it can register global hotkeys (ie not just for the main window).

None of these are shortcut hotkeys. They are registered in memory. Presumbably Explorer is registering global hot keys on startup and then starts the whatever when windows tells explorer it has been pressed. But that's a guess.

I've attached a script that prints hotkey in a msgbox, and include the content in the body here

on error resume next
set WshShell = WScript.CreateObject("WScript.Shell")
Dim A
Dim Ag
Set Ag=Wscript.Arguments
If Ag.Count > 0 then
For x = 0 to Ag.Count -1
A = A & Ag(x)
Next
End If
Set FSO = CreateObject("Scripting.FileSystemObject")
f=FSO.GetFile(A)
set lnk = WshShell.CreateShortcut(A)
If lnk.hotkey <> "" then
msgbox A & vbcrlf & lnk.hotkey
End If

To use type cmd in start Run

Explorer looks in 4 places for hotkeys, these are read on startup. The hotkey is stored in the shortcut. Only hotkeys on shortcuts in the four locations are live.

Type in a command prompt

cd %UserProfile%\desktop
for %A in (*.lnk) do findhotkey.vbs "%1"
for %A in (*.pif) do findhotkey.vbs "%1"
for %A in (*.url) do findhotkey.vbs "%1"
cd %AllUsersProfile%\desktop
for %A in (*.lnk) do findhotkey.vbs "%1"
for %A in (*.pif) do findhotkey.vbs "%1"
for %A in (*.url) do findhotkey.vbs "%1"
cd %UserProfile%\Start Menu
for /r %A in (*.lnk) do findhotkey.vbs "%1"
for /r %A in (*.pif) do findhotkey.vbs "%1"
for /r %A in (*.url) do findhotkey.vbs "%1"
cd %AllUsersProfile%\Start Menu
for /r %A in (*.lnk) do findhotkey.vbs "%1"
for /r %A in (*.pif) do findhotkey.vbs "%1"
for /r %A in (*.url) do findhotkey.vbs "%1"

Each shortcut, that has a hotkey, will pop up a dialog with the name of the shortcut and it's hotkey.

You may have path problems. To make it work put in c:\ and change

for %A in (*.url) do c:\findhotkey.vbs "%1"

as all these directory changes may make it difficult for the script to be found (but shorten the amount of typing for the start menu FORs).

Ctrl + C Copies the text of a message box to the clipboard.

It is not reccommended that Ctrl + Alt be used with Hotkeys. Ctrl + left hand side Alt = Right hand side Alt and enters international characters if using the US International keyboard. Also F12 is reserved for the use of debuggers.



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David,
Thanks.

So that is not the right place to look.

I set the hotkey in the normal way. I created a shortcut to the Nero Manual
on the desktop and then set the key in the shortcut. I doubt that Nero set
anything.

Yes, it was a shortcut that I deleted, but then I reinstated it and set the
key to "none". I then used the same key in another program, which I think
works the second way, i.e. the program registers the key. (Although I wonder
where!)

I will have a look at Tweakui Ver 1.33 and see what I can find. I already
have a version of TweakUI (File Version 2.10.0.0). If the other one is later
and has more features, including repairing hot keys that would be great.

Thanks for the help to date.

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The point is they are ONLY multi language hotkeys for use only with multi language features. It is Soooooooooo unlikely to be under here.

So there are two ways (apart from these multilingual features) of setting a hotkey. In shortcuts on Start Menu or Desktop items. By a program registering a hotkey when that program is started.

I presume Nero doesn't do this?
You have checked all shortcuts (after all it could be in a shortcut to an item you deleted and Windows found the closest match for you)?

Tweakui Ver 1.33 has a repair hotkey feature.
http://www.microsoft.com/NTWorkstation/downloads/PowerToys/Networking/NTTweakUI.asp

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Wes and David,

All good things come to an end.

I now find that Ctl-Alt-R invokes the old program again - Nero BurningRom
Help Manual. (I have restarted the computer since it last worked as I wanted.)

The contents of HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Control Panel\Input Method\Hot Keys follows

START
Windows Registry Editor Version 5.00

[HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Control Panel\Input Method\Hot Keys]

[HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Control Panel\Input Method\Hot Keys\00000010]
"Key Modifiers"=hex:02,c0,00,00
"Target IME"=hex:00,00,00,00
"Virtual Key"=hex:20,00,00,00

[HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Control Panel\Input Method\Hot Keys\00000011]
"Key Modifiers"=hex:04,c0,00,00
"Target IME"=hex:00,00,00,00
"Virtual Key"=hex:20,00,00,00

[HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Control Panel\Input Method\Hot Keys\00000012]
"Key Modifiers"=hex:02,c0,00,00
"Target IME"=hex:00,00,00,00
"Virtual Key"=hex:be,00,00,00

[HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Control Panel\Input Method\Hot Keys\00000070]
"Key Modifiers"=hex:02,c0,00,00
"Target IME"=hex:00,00,00,00
"Virtual Key"=hex:20,00,00,00

[HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Control Panel\Input Method\Hot Keys\00000071]
"Key Modifiers"=hex:04,c0,00,00
"Target IME"=hex:00,00,00,00
"Virtual Key"=hex:20,00,00,00

[HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Control Panel\Input Method\Hot Keys\00000072]
"Key Modifiers"=hex:03,c0,00,00
"Target IME"=hex:00,00,00,00
"Virtual Key"=hex:bc,00,00,00

[HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Control Panel\Input Method\Hot Keys\00000200]
"Key Modifiers"=hex:03,c0,00,00
"Target IME"=hex:00,00,00,00
"Virtual Key"=hex:47,00,00,00

[HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Control Panel\Input Method\Hot Keys\00000201]
"Key Modifiers"=hex:03,c0,00,00
"Target IME"=hex:00,00,00,00
"Virtual Key"=hex:4b,00,00,00

[HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Control Panel\Input Method\Hot Keys\00000202]
"Key Modifiers"=hex:03,c0,00,00
"Target IME"=hex:00,00,00,00
"Virtual Key"=hex:4c,00,00,00
END

It is difficult to understand what these mean, but I certainly cannot find
any reference to Ctl-Alt-R

From what you (David) said,
Ctl-Alt should be &H03
R should be &H52
This combination does not appear anywhere!

So I assume that the reference to Ctl-Alt-R is not stored in Hot Keys

Any ideas?

It doesn't have to involve Registry tweaking so long as I can reuse the Key
(or any other key, for that matter) .

Cheers

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Trevor,

See David Candy's post. I mentioned that I couldn't read hex, he can.

Glad to hear that you got it sorted out.

BTW, I'm still deciphering David's post. And working on 49 other
things.

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In Trevor L. <[email protected]> hunted and pecked:
Zulu and Wes,
Thanks to you both

Zulu,
Yes, I will set the shortcut key as you suggested.
I will try different keys, including Function keys - sounds good.

Wes,
I have yet to try your suggestions for the Registry, but am looking
forward to it.

BTW,
I have managed to assign the key I used before to the new program.
Whether this is the only way or not or whetehr it will continue to
work, I don't know, but here is what I did.

I re-created the old Shortcut (it had been deleted) and enetered the
old shortcut key. I tested it and it worked (referring to the old
program). I then changed the key in that shortcut to "none" and tried
the shortcut key again - it did nothing (as one would hope). I then
allocated the key to the new program, tried it, and it worked !!

I still have the old shortcut with key set to "none", but that's OK -
I just moved it a general folder with other shortcuts - not the
desktop, which I don't want cluttered.

I don't know whether this is worth posting anywhere, as the KB
article I read (can't remember the number) said keys cannot be
reallocated, as did you , Wes.

Many thanks

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Wes,

I am disappointed that I can't reassign a shortcut key to another
program. As I say, there are only so many combinations one can use
before you run out of keys - 26 alpha, 10 numeric (and perhaps the
12 Function keys although I have ever tried these, so I don't know).

I have already deleted the shortcut to the Nero Help Manual, but
before I did, I made sure that the shortcut key was set to "(none)".
Thanks for the info. as to how to find what key is assigned to a
particular shortcut, but since changing it to "(none)" and deleting
it makes no difference, it sort of doesn't help too much.

Do you know where the info. is stored as to what shortcut key opens
what program?

Because the info. is retained after the shortcut itself is deleted,
I would assume that the info. must be stored in the Registry. But I
searched the registry for the value "BurningRom" (as the name of the
program opened by the shortcut key is "C:\Program
Files\Ahead\Nero\NeroBurningRom_Eng.pdf"). But no entry that I found
seemed to contain any info. about shortcut key values.

If I could edit the registry to remove/change shortcut key
assignments, that would solve the problem.

Many thanks

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Once you assign a shortcut key combination for a specific program,
you will not be able to use that key combination with other
programs.

Find the Nero Help Manual or the shortcut to same. Delete the
shortcut, if it exists.

Follow the instructions below if no shortcut.

If you forget the key combination for your shortcut, you can follow
steps 2 through 3 and review your shortcut keys.

2. Locate the program file (.exe) or the program's shortcut icon.
Right-click the program file or shortcut, and then click Properties.

3. Click the Program tab for an MS-DOS program or the Shortcut tab
for a Windows program.

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In Trevor L. <[email protected]> hunted and pecked:
I used to have a Shortcut Ctl-Alt-R which opened a User manual
(actually for Nero). I no longer want to do this as I am fairly
used to Nero now and can open it directly when I want to, so I
changed the key to (none).

I later decided to re-use Ctl-Alt-R to invoke a program which will
restart the PC. (I changed the setting in this program to use this
sequence.)

But I find that using Ctl-Alt-R still invokes the User manual.
There was some info. on a Microsoft KB document re this problem,
but I can't get it to work. I made sure that the old Shortcut had
(none), then deleted it.

As there are limited letters to use with Ctl-Alt, the ability to
reuse them is important. Can anyone help?
However, the Ctl-Alt-R sequence still opend the Help Manual.