seek better email replacement of Outlook

A

ayoung

We operate a small California business and email is our life line, essential
to communicate to customers, clients, and suppliers.

We use Microsoft Windows XP Professional and Outlook 2002. We seek a better
pop3 email solution. Which program do you recommend and why?

Thank you very much.
 
I

Ivan T. Williams

Before we answer this, I think you have to advise what is
wrong with Outlook 2002, I personally use Outlook 2003 and
love it.
It's like anything thought, there are a "few" things I'd
like to change, but it's not the end of the world, know
what I mean?
 
B

Brian Tillman

ayoung said:
We use Microsoft Windows XP Professional and Outlook 2002. We seek a
better pop3 email solution. Which program do you recommend and why?

What does Outlook 2002 not do that you wish it would? What functions of
Outlook not involving mail would you like to keep?
 
B

Bill Harding

Like everyone has said, you need to determine what you
need that Outlook doesn't provide. All POP3 e-mail
clients do essentially the same thing: send and receive e-
mail messages. Outlook has ways to handle those messages
after they have been sent or received (filters, rules,
etc.)

If you are looking for an auto-responder solution, there
are several on the market that you can investigate (web
search: auto-responder).

If you are looking for a complete CRM solution, then
again you need to investigate applications with those
characteristics. Business Contact Manager for OL is one
such solution, but there are many more sophisticated
platforms out there (ACT!, Goldmine, etc.) which
incorporate their own e-mail clients.

Cheers,
Bill Harding
 
A

ayoung

We do not know what is are good email choices and what to select from. Our
staff sure complain alot.

We do not know what to select because we have not used other email systems.
We want understand if we can better our email program before we hire more
staff and train them in the near future. That is why I post this inquiry to
solicit expert advises.

1.In Outlook 2002, it toke us months to set up the email account. I think
its
still not working correctly because the outgoing and incoming has to be in
different account names.
2.We do not know how to filter spam, such as detect the word mortgage.
3.All the incoming mails are lumped into "inbox".
4.Doesn't incoming mail know how to go directly into incoming email
address's
folder?
5.Doesn't sent mail know how to go directly into Send item email address's
folder?
6.We never able to get the new message font correctly. It only use the
international fonts even it was not selected.
7.The spelling check is poor and lack of thesaurus.
8.From the backup (export to pst file) its impossible to retrieve just one
letter.
Just to name a few.
 
A

ayoung

Also, the Outlook printing is very primitive.
Outlook does not allow draft letter printing.
It does not allow select page printing.
It does not allow messages printed with specific or alternate headers.

In email account editing, Outlook does not allow copy and paste.

In contact address, we still does not figure how the last name, or company
name, is sorted in its list. Difficult to make copy of multiple company
address person. Still do not know how to group a department.

Just to list a few more from our staff.
 
S

Sue Mosher [MVP-Outlook]

It sounds like your staff needs training on some Outlook features, such as
Rules Wizard. Comments inline.

--
Sue Mosher, Outlook MVP
Author of
Microsoft Outlook Programming - Jumpstart for
Administrators, Power Users, and Developers



ayoung said:
We do not know what is are good email choices and what to select from. Our
staff sure complain alot.

We do not know what to select because we have not used other email systems.
We want understand if we can better our email program before we hire more
staff and train them in the near future. That is why I post this inquiry to
solicit expert advises.

1.In Outlook 2002, it toke us months to set up the email account. I think
its
still not working correctly because the outgoing and incoming has to be in
different account names.

If you have the correct information from the mail server administrator, it
shouldn't take months, and you'd have the same difficulty in any other mail
program, I suspect. Outlook is very flexible in the different types of mail
accounts and configurations it can handle; Outlook 2003 even more so.
2.We do not know how to filter spam, such as detect the word mortgage.

You can use a Rules Wizard rule to detect all messages containing a specific
word. But a better approach would be to use an actual spam program, such as
those listed at http://www.slipstick.com/rules/junkmail.htm#tools, some of
them free.
3.All the incoming mails are lumped into "inbox".

Again, you can use Rules Wizard to file incoming messages in other folders.
4.Doesn't incoming mail know how to go directly into incoming email
address's
folder?

Again, you can use Rules Wizard to file incoming messages in other folders.
5.Doesn't sent mail know how to go directly into Send item email address's
folder?

You can use Rules Wizard to file outgoing messages in other folders. If you
don't want anything to appear in Sent Items, you can turn off filing to Sent
Items in Tools | Options.
6.We never able to get the new message font correctly. It only use the
international fonts even it was not selected.

I can't tell what the problem is based on your description, but you can set
the prefered encoding under Tools | Options | Mail Format | Internet
Options.
7.The spelling check is poor and lack of thesaurus.

Use WordMail for full spell check and thesaurus.
8.From the backup (export to pst file) its impossible to retrieve just one
letter.

Open the .pst file with File | Open | Outlook Data File, then browse to the
folder where your message was stored. There are also backup/archive programs
that can save Outlook items as individual files, if you prefer.
 
S

Sue Mosher [MVP-Outlook]

Printing is definitely one of Outlook's weak spots, but your problem
descriptions are a little vague. Comments inline.

--
Sue Mosher, Outlook MVP
Author of
Microsoft Outlook Programming - Jumpstart for
Administrators, Power Users, and Developers



ayoung said:
Also, the Outlook printing is very primitive.
Outlook does not allow draft letter printing.

I don't know what you mean by that.
It does not allow select page printing.

The option varies with the mail format, BTW.
It does not allow messages printed with specific or alternate headers.

I don't know what you mean by that.

In email account editing, Outlook does not allow copy and paste.

I've never had a problem copying and pasting in text boxes in the email
account dialog.
In contact address, we still does not figure how the last name, or company
name, is sorted in its list.

What list are you referring to?
Difficult to make copy of multiple company
address person.

You have the Action | New Contact from Same Company command, as well as the
ability to make a complete copy of any contact.
Still do not know how to group a department.

Group is available in table views: View | Current View | Customize Current
View | Group By.
 
B

Brian Tillman

ayoung said:
We do not know what is are good email choices and what to select
from. Our staff sure complain alot.

That's not where you start. You start by deciding what features you want
your mail system to support and then you present these features to the
vendors of the various Email programs to see how well they match. Surveying
mail programs without knowing what you want is a complete waste of time.
We do not know what to select because we have not used other email
systems. We want understand if we can better our email program before
we hire more staff and train them in the near future. That is why I
post this inquiry to solicit expert advises.

Again, you would do well to decide what features your mail system should
have before investigating mail offerings.
1.In Outlook 2002, it toke us months to set up the email account. I
think its
still not working correctly because the outgoing and incoming has to
be in different account names.

It takes most people about ten or fifteen minutes to set up a mail account.
2.We do not know how to filter spam, such as detect the word
mortgage.

Outlook's built-in SPAM filter (which you cannot modifiy) and Rules (which
you can) are one way. A third-party tool like MAILsweeper
(www.mailsweeper.com) or SpamBayes (spambayes.sourceforge.net) is another
way.
3.All the incoming mails are lumped into "inbox".

Yes. Why would you expect otherwise? If you want to move them elsewhere,
you create rules to do so.
4.Doesn't incoming mail know how to go directly into incoming email
address's
folder?

I know of no mail client that will automatically file incoming messages into
separate folders without the user first training it to do so.
5.Doesn't sent mail know how to go directly into Send item email
address's folder?

If you want sent messages to go into specific folders, then use rules or
enable the option to file replies with the original message.
6.We never able to get the new message font correctly. It only use the
international fonts even it was not selected.

Tools>Options>Mail Format>International Options.
7.The spelling check is poor and lack of thesaurus.

While I haven't found the spell check to be poor, I simply don't use a
thesaurus function, since I don't use Word as my mail editor. If I wish to
use a Thesaurus, I use one I have on my bookshelf or I use Merriam-Webster's
web site (www.m-w.com).
8.From the backup (export to pst file) its impossible to retrieve
just one letter.

No, it's not. You open the backup PST, open the folder where the message is
and reference it. You can also drag individual messages out of and into
Outlook from the file system, where they're stored as .MSG files.
Also, the Outlook printing is very primitive.
Outlook does not allow draft letter printing.
It does not allow select page printing.

No argument there, although some of these features do change with the format
of the message. HTML messages, for example, allow more control over the
printing.
It does not allow messages printed with specific or alternate headers.

I don't know what you mean by "specific or alternate headers". Do you mean
something like the headers and footers that a Word document allows you to
specify?
In email account editing, Outlook does not allow copy and paste.

Certainly does.
In contact address, we still does not figure how the last name, or
company name, is sorted in its list.
Alphabetically.

Difficult to make copy of
multiple company address person.

I don't know what you mean by a "multiple company address person". Do you
mean someone who has more than one Email address? If so, you can have up to
three different Email addresses for each contact.
Still do not know how to group a
department.

In what folder? If in Contacts, you can use Categories for that or you can
add the Department to the Department field on the Contact's Details tab.
 
A

ayoung

I would like to make a presentation to our department on what are email
programs that are available for Windows XP and compare the email programs.

Is there such comparison available? Thank you.
 
A

ayoung

Wow, sounds like we certainly do not know how to use this Outlook.
We have used many programs before. Never before this Outlook has been so
difficult to use. Our complain is, if Outlook is so difficult for us, why
not select something else more suitable for our work?

Brian Tillman said:
It takes most people about ten or fifteen minutes to set up a mail
account.

may be we are just plain stupid, but all the people we knew had great
difficulties setting up their email accounts. I have never seen something so
un-straight forward setup that I have ever seen. For example, User
Information, Logon Information, Server Information page do NOT allow copy
and paste. We do not know what is the correct information to fill in. Even
if we got the test account setting correct, the email have not going
through. The "More Setting" is even more difficult to use.

I certainly never able to make copy of same email account and edit its name
for each person inside the department.
Outlook's built-in SPAM filter (which you cannot modify) and Rules (which
you can) are one way. A third-party tool like MAILsweeper

OK, found "Rule Wizard". Thank you.
Yes. Why would you expect otherwise? If you want to move them elsewhere,
you create rules to do so.
If you want sent messages to go into specific folders, then use rules or
enable the option to file replies with the original message.

It would be nice for each email address name (each staff or each department)
goes to their own outgoing and incoming mail box folder. I guess it can be
done by Rule Wizard.
Tools>Options>Mail Format>International Options.

We did. Still not working correctly. We are unable to compose in default
fonts.
No, it's not. You open the backup PST, open the folder where the message is
and reference it. You can also drag individual messages out of and into
Outlook from the file system, where they're stored as .MSG files.

I do not want to retrieve the entire backup pst into my Outlook system. I
only want to read one email.
I don't know what you mean by "specific or alternate headers". Do you mean
something like the headers and footers that a Word document allows you to
specify?

I mean the printing heading showing who this email message is from.

In "contacts", we are unable to make the "file as" to follow the "listing"
shown.

That means, one contact name will consists of group of email addresses.
 
B

Brian Tillman

ayoung said:
Wow, sounds like we certainly do not know how to use this Outlook.
We have used many programs before. Never before this Outlook has been
so difficult to use. Our complain is, if Outlook is so difficult for
us, why not select something else more suitable for our work?

And that's appropriate. What I was trying to point out is that you need to
decode what's suitable for your environment before trying to find a
replacement. In any design issue, you must determine the requirements
before trying to find something that will satisfy the requirements.
may be we are just plain stupid, but all the people we knew had great
difficulties setting up their email accounts. I have never seen
something so un-straight forward setup that I have ever seen. For
example, User Information, Logon Information, Server Information page
do NOT allow copy and paste.

Did you try CTRL-C for copy and CTRL-V for paste? Those are standard
Windows keys.
We do not know what is the correct
information to fill in. Even if we got the test account setting
correct, the email have not going through. The "More Setting" is even
more difficult to use.

Your ISP should be able to tell you what their server names are and what
authentication is required to use them.
I certainly never able to make copy of same email account and edit
its name for each person inside the department.

Account information is kept in the Registry within the Profile key. Alas,
Outlook has no way to export and import account information. Surely,
though, each person in your organization should have their own, unique
account so that cut and paste is less useful. There are also tools in the
Outlook SDK that permit you to add mail profiles en masse to a number of
networked computers.
It would be nice for each email address name (each staff or each
department) goes to their own outgoing and incoming mail box folder.
I guess it can be done by Rule Wizard.

And it will. You must have a unique email account for each person who uses
mail.
I do not want to retrieve the entire backup pst into my Outlook
system. I only want to read one email.

I don't know of any extant mail systems that allow you to find just one
message without using the mail program to do so.
I mean the printing heading showing who this email message is from.

When I print an email, it shows who it's from, when it was sent, to whom it
was sent, and the message's subject.
In "contacts", we are unable to make the "file as" to follow the
"listing" shown.

What "listing"?
That means, one contact name will consists of group of email
addresses.

It's called a "Distribution List". In Contacts, click New>Distribution List
and add whomever you want, gioving the DL the name of the department.
 
B

Brian Tillman

ayoung said:
I would like to make a presentation to our department on what are
email programs that are available for Windows XP and compare the
email programs.

Is there such comparison available? Thank you.

One of the best ways to discover what mail programs run in Windows XP is to
use Google or some other search engine. Here are a few links. Note: I
don't endorse any of the clients listed in the links. It's just for your
information.

http://www.rosecitysoftware.com/calypso/
http://cws.internet.com/category/2247-1-d.htm
http://www.download.com/3150-2367-0-1-4.html
http://www.wugnet.com/shareware/spow.asp?ID=281
http://atmail.com/index.ehtml
http://www.chaossoftware.com/express-plus-email.asp
http://www.soft32.com/download_12279.html
http://www.soft32.com/download_27.html
http://www.majorgeeks.com/downloads10.html
http://www.qpc.com/prod01.htm
http://www.softpedia.com/public/cat/10/3/3/10-3-3-332.shtml
http://www.winplanet.com/file/11627.htm
http://www.fookes.com/mailbag/
<
http://downloads.suntimes.com/category.php[action]browse0[id]95[f]||||product.date_released|DESC[SiteID]suntimes >
http://www.canadiancontent.net/tech/downloads/Email+Tools/
http://shareware.pcmag.com/category.php[id]95[SiteID]pcmag
 
A

ayoung

Brian Tillman said:
When I print an email, it shows who it's from, when it was sent, to whom it
was sent, and the message's subject.

How can I change the printout heading permanently - for example, use the
department name instead of individual names?
What "listing"?
How contact is shown and listed when you click contacts. Something the name
is listed in first name, sometimes in last name, sometimes in company name.
But we always follow the "file as" for all the names.
 
B

Brian Tillman

ayoung said:
How contact is shown and listed when you click contacts. Something
the name is listed in first name, sometimes in last name, sometimes
in company name. But we always follow the "file as" for all the names.

What View are you using? My Contacts list is always shown in "File as"
order. Also check what radio button is selected when you click Tools>Email
Account>View or change existing directories or address books> Next, select
Outlook Address Book and click Change.
 
P

PsyB

Hi there!

Try Thunderbird. It will Import your Outlook accounts, contact
information and emails you have set up in Outlook with a click of a few
buttons. There is extensive documentation on the website and the
developers are always on the newsgroup. The best feature is that it uses
extensions - instead of piling a bunch of things you will never use in
one program, the extensions allow you to add only features you require.
Since it is open source it is both free and see new extensions available
every week. I switched all of the systems at our location except one to
Thunderbird. I have not had one problem or complaint come from doing so,
yet if you search my nick (PsyB) you will see that I have had a problem
with my only Outlook machine left. T Bird is the one to trust, in my
opinion.

http://www.mozilla.org/products/thunderbird/

Another alternative, though I feel it isn't as good as T Bird, but is
one which has the benefit of code maturity is Eudora. This one is
supported in three modes - Free Mode, Sponsor mode and Paid Mode. In
free mode you are quite limited in the options that are available. In
sponsored mode you have full functionality except for SPAM control and
you are required to have an advertisement on the screen and no window
covering it at all times. In paid mode there is full functionality, of
course, and no advertisements. Because it includes advertising, I
wouldn't recommend this one and will only use it in a Mac environment
for lack of anything better.

http://www.eudora.com

My final alternative suggestion is Mozilla itself which includes both a
browser and an email client. Still I prefer the standalone Thunderbird,
however, due to it's extensibility.

http://mozilla.org

Best regards

PsyB

(remove NO MEAT to reply to mail)
We do not know what is are good email choices and what to select from. Our
staff sure complain alot.

We do not know what to select because we have not used other email systems.
We want understand if we can better our email program before we hire more
staff and train them in the near future. That is why I post this inquiry to
solicit expert advises.

1.In Outlook 2002, it toke us months to set up the email account. I think
its
still not working correctly because the outgoing and incoming has to be in
different account names.
2.We do not know how to filter spam, such as detect the word mortgage.
3.All the incoming mails are lumped into "inbox".
4.Doesn't incoming mail know how to go directly into incoming email
address's
folder?
5.Doesn't sent mail know how to go directly into Send item email address's
folder?
6.We never able to get the new message font correctly. It only use the
international fonts even it was not selected.
7.The spelling check is poor and lack of thesaurus.
8.From the backup (export to pst file) its impossible to retrieve just one
letter.
Just to name a few.
 
P

PsyB

I don't know what you mean by that.


He or she wants to print a letter he or she is composing.
I don't know what you mean by that.
He or she wants to include the full Internet header with the email
content when printed or to be able to configure what portions of the
header that is printed. For example perhaps he wants to print FROM:,
DATE:, TO:, RETURN-PATH:, RECEIVED-FROM, X-MIMEOLE:, X-MAILER:,
CONTENT-TYPE:, etc etc etc for informational purposes.
In email account editing, Outlook does not allow copy and paste.

Use ctrl+x to cut, ctrl+c to copy and ctrl+v to paste. Right-click
doesn't always work.
 
S

Sue Mosher [MVP-Outlook]

Outlook does not allow draft letter printing.
He or she wants to print a letter he or she is composing.

Outlook does prints draft messages. If you need to To and Subject, then turn
off WordMail and use the built-in editor to print the draft.
He or she wants to include the full Internet header with the email
content when printed or to be able to configure what portions of the
header that is printed. For example perhaps he wants to print FROM:,
DATE:, TO:, RETURN-PATH:, RECEIVED-FROM, X-MIMEOLE:, X-MAILER:,
CONTENT-TYPE:, etc etc etc for informational purposes.

I don't think that in nearly 8 years of working with Outlook, I've ever
heard anyone else ask for that kind of header detail on a printout. It could
be done programmatically, though.
 
B

Brian Tillman

PsyB said:
He or she wants to include the full Internet header with the email
content when printed or to be able to configure what portions of the
header that is printed. For example perhaps he wants to print FROM:,
DATE:, TO:, RETURN-PATH:, RECEIVED-FROM, X-MIMEOLE:, X-MAILER:,
CONTENT-TYPE:, etc etc etc for informational purposes.

What extant mailer allows this? While my experience with other mailers is
limited, I don't know of any that allow this type of control.
 
A

ayoung

PsyB said:
Use ctrl+x to cut, ctrl+c to copy and ctrl+v to paste. Right-click
doesn't always work.

OK, thanks. That works. But the toolbar "Edit" at top, does not allow copy
and paste. Program bug?
 

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