Searching For an Email Program / Thoughts on Pegasus

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Buzz Wearingoff

Hello,

I am looking for a decent e-mail program. I am currently using Outlook
Express until I find one. I've tried Eudora, it was great, but I don't
like ad-ware or cripple-ware; Incredimail was incredibly obnoxious =)
per my friends.

Pegasus, I just could not get the hang of it. It was cumbersome at
best. It just seemed to be laid out weird. Anyone have any thoughts on
Pegasus? Perhaps I was going about it all wrong. The last time I tried
it was about a year ago.

Also, anyone have any suggestions for any other free email programs?

Thanks much in advance,

Buzz
 
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Riggs

(e-mail address removed) (Buzz Wearingoff) wrote in
Hello,

I am looking for a decent e-mail program. I am currently using Outlook
Express until I find one. I've tried Eudora, it was great, but I don't
like ad-ware or cripple-ware; Incredimail was incredibly obnoxious =)
per my friends.

Pegasus, I just could not get the hang of it. It was cumbersome at
best. It just seemed to be laid out weird. Anyone have any thoughts on
Pegasus? Perhaps I was going about it all wrong. The last time I tried
it was about a year ago.

Also, anyone have any suggestions for any other free email programs?

Thanks much in advance,

Buzz

I've been using Foxmail for quite a long time. Here's a link to the English
forum.

http://www.hazeleger.net/cgi-
bin/yabb/YaBB.pl?board=SuppFoxMail;action=display;num=1059475739
 
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Onno Tasler

Buzz Wearingoff scribebat:
Anyone have any thoughts on Pegasus?

To Pegasus, you have to get used. It is an extremely powerful program
with a very long history, and as such, it has its own layout.
Also, anyone have any suggestions for any other free email programs?

Vivian Mail from Deep Sleep Software http://www.deepsleep.de/

Phoenix Roundabout (Open-Source) http://roundabout.sf.net/

Mahogany (Open-Source) from http://mahogany.sourceforge.net/

Sylpheed-Claws (Open-Source) http://claws-w32.sourceforge.net/
(I like this one - use it myself. Offers nearly all the thinks OE
offers, except for HTML mails and virus reduplication features)

Thunderbird / Mozilla Mail from http://www.mozilla.org/

Many, many more, but that are all I remember right now. ;)

bye,

Onno
 
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Keenan P.

route66 said:
Hello,

I am looking for a decent e-mail program. I am currently using Outlook
Express until I find one. I've tried Eudora, it was great, but I don't
like ad-ware or cripple-ware; Incredimail was incredibly obnoxious =)
per my friends.

Pegasus, I just could not get the hang of it. It was cumbersome at
best. It just seemed to be laid out weird. Anyone have any thoughts on
Pegasus? Perhaps I was going about it all wrong. The last time I tried
it was about a year ago.

Also, anyone have any suggestions for any other free email programs?

Thanks much in advance,

Buzz
Using Gravity right now having tried many. Use my sig below to download
and try them all is my suggestion. Only you will know which is right for
you,
POKO
--
P. Keenan - Webmaster
Web Page Design
Manitoulin Island, Canada
http://manitoulinislandwebdesign.it-mate.co.uk/
(e-mail address removed)
 
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Bebop & Rocksteady

I am looking for a decent e-mail program. I am currently using Outlook
Express until I find one. I've tried Eudora, it was great, but I don't
like ad-ware or cripple-ware; Incredimail was incredibly obnoxious =)
per my friends.

Pegasus, I just could not get the hang of it. It was cumbersome at
best. It just seemed to be laid out weird. Anyone have any thoughts on
Pegasus? Perhaps I was going about it all wrong. The last time I tried
it was about a year ago.

Also, anyone have any suggestions for any other free email programs?

I have been using Pegasus Mail since it was first developed it is laid
out different to be different, it has many advanced features that other
email clients don't have both paid or free. It does have a three pane view
as well as the classic multi window view.


Have a look here to help
http://pegasus.quantum.2ya.com


--
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Quantum Illusions: http://quantum.2ya.com
FORT Freeware: http://freeware.quantum.2ya.com
Pegasus Mail Support Site: http://pegasus.quantum.2ya.com
DATA Solutions: http://datasolutions.quantum.2ya.com

If you truly want to contact me click the link
http://quantum.2ya.com/email.htm
 
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Randy Bard

Hello,

I am looking for a decent e-mail program. I am currently using Outlook
Express until I find one. I've tried Eudora, it was great, but I don't
like ad-ware or cripple-ware; Incredimail was incredibly obnoxious =)
per my friends.

Pegasus, I just could not get the hang of it. It was cumbersome at
best. It just seemed to be laid out weird. Anyone have any thoughts on
Pegasus? Perhaps I was going about it all wrong. The last time I tried
it was about a year ago.

Also, anyone have any suggestions for any other free email programs?

Thanks much in advance,

Buzz

Try this - it is small, fast, stable, easy to configure, and does
everything right by default.

Phoenix Mail version 0.93 Beta 9

http://sourceforge.net/projects/phxmail/
 
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badgolferman

Buzz said:
Hello,

I am looking for a decent e-mail program. I am currently using Outlook
Express until I find one. I've tried Eudora, it was great, but I don't
like ad-ware or cripple-ware; Incredimail was incredibly obnoxious =)
per my friends.

Pegasus, I just could not get the hang of it. It was cumbersome at
best. It just seemed to be laid out weird. Anyone have any thoughts on
Pegasus? Perhaps I was going about it all wrong. The last time I tried
it was about a year ago.

Also, anyone have any suggestions for any other free email programs?

Thanks much in advance,

Buzz

What is it about Outlook Express YOU don't like? Maybe I or others who use
it can help customize it to your needs. There are a variety of ways to make
OE work better than the default settings.
 
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REM

(e-mail address removed) (Buzz Wearingoff) wrote:
I am looking for a decent e-mail program. I am currently using Outlook
Express until I find one. I've tried Eudora, it was great, but I don't
like ad-ware or cripple-ware; Incredimail was incredibly obnoxious =)
per my friends.
Pegasus, I just could not get the hang of it. It was cumbersome at
best. It just seemed to be laid out weird. Anyone have any thoughts on
Pegasus? Perhaps I was going about it all wrong. The last time I tried
it was about a year ago.
Also, anyone have any suggestions for any other free email programs?

I used Netscape mail forever. Then I tried Calypso, which just wasn't
quite what I wanted. Them Moz mail, which was clunky. Now I've settled
with Thunderbird, which is the Moz mail client stripped down to the
essentials; a stand alone email client!

http://texturizer.net/thunderbird/

http://texturizer.net/thunderbird/download.html

It's pretty darned nice!

One suggestion with any email program that allows it. Set attachments
inline and set message filters to delete (or to move to a suspect
folder) any message containing ".pif, .eml, .bat, etc." in the message
body. This works like a charm in immediately removing the many varied
worm attachments.

Many clients do not show the attachment extension by default,
especially doeble extensions. The filters will grab anything you
shouldn't play with before you ever get a chance to. Doing the grunt
work for you is a big plus also.

A list of executables you might filter:

..pif
..bat
..exe (will get valid sfx's sent by friends also :(
..zip (same as above)
..doc (same as above, but there are Word macro malwares)
..scr (screensaver)
..shs
..vbs
..vbe
..js
..jse
..wsf
..ws
..hta

Does anyone have any more dangerous extensions that should be
filtered?

The zip, exe and doc filters are best set to be moved to a different
folder. It's still dangerous though, as the current worms spoof
addresses and one might come as addresses by a friend of yours.

The others I simply delete on site with filters. It's pretty unlikely
that I will receive an important email that contains ".pif" as a typo
in it. This applies for the others listed above too.

Anyway, it works like a charm in eliminating dangerous attachments as
the first order of business. It has a spam filter that is supposed to
learn as you manually mark the spam it missed.

I see from the site Thunderbird is written to be safe(r):

"2.8 Is Thunderbird susceptible to e-mail viruses?

Thunderbird will not allow a virus or worm to execute automatically.
You can see what attachments have been sent to you without a virus
being able to execute, and you would have to save a file to your
system and deliberately run it before it could cause any harm.

JavaScript is switched off by default for mail and news, so an e-mail
cannot run script code just by being opened.

As with any mail program, take proper caution before running any file
that you receive in e-mail. Appropriate anti-virus software should
also help keep you safer."

And the Spam info:

"2.4 How do I use the spam filters?

Mozilla Thunderbird comes with build-in spam filters, effectively
moving (or removing) unwanted e-mail messages from your mail folders.
There is a great article at Netscape DevEdge explaining how to fight
junk mail with Netscape 7.1. This article applies to Mozilla
Thunderbird too.

.... link to spam fighting"

One of the great things about Netscape 7.1 is that it includes the
powerful junk-mail (a.k.a. "spam") filtering introduced in Mozilla
1.3. This filter technology is based on Bayesian analysis of incoming
content, and as such can be trained by the user to meet individual
spam-fighting needs. This ability can replace the use of server-side
filtering, or can be used in concert with such filtering."

Overall, two thumbs up! It's small, fast and effective. It's laid out
so that it wasn't completely foreign in what I expected.
 
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Russ

REM said:
I used Netscape mail forever. Then I tried Calypso, which just wasn't
quite what I wanted. Them Moz mail, which was clunky. Now I've settled
with Thunderbird, which is the Moz mail client stripped down to the
essentials; a stand alone email client!

http://texturizer.net/thunderbird/

I've been keeping an eye on this for some time now. It looks
impressive and promising. I already use Firebird.

My main problem with it right now is that there's either no
information on minimum system requirements (other than "Windows"
and, implicit in the download name, "Win32"), or it's so buried that
I can't find it. I really don't want to download something that big
and go through the setups and tweaking just to 'see if it works' on
my old computer, yaknowwhatimean?

Calypso was nice except it would not wrap outgoing email, leaving
that to the email client on the receiving end. People who read
Yahoo!Groups mailing lists on the Web really didn't appreciate each
paragraph being one long never-ending line... True, I could use
Clippy to force a wrap on what I wrote. I already use it to format
quoted material copied from the Web. But Calypso wasn't *that*
nice.
 
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Randy Bard

I've been keeping an eye on this for some time now. It looks
impressive and promising. I already use Firebird.

My main problem with it right now is that there's either no
information on minimum system requirements (other than "Windows"
and, implicit in the download name, "Win32"), or it's so buried that
I can't find it. I really don't want to download something that big
and go through the setups and tweaking just to 'see if it works' on
my old computer, yaknowwhatimean?

Calypso was nice except it would not wrap outgoing email, leaving
that to the email client on the receiving end. People who read
Yahoo!Groups mailing lists on the Web really didn't appreciate each
paragraph being one long never-ending line... True, I could use
Clippy to force a wrap on what I wrote. I already use it to format
quoted material copied from the Web. But Calypso wasn't *that*
nice.

As a highly satisfied Firebird user, I have eagerly tried the last 2
versions of Thunderbird; but, alas, the programme is large and slow,
and lacking in common-sense features such as the capability to preview
mail on the server. Thus it is really similar to Outlook Express. I
doubt this is what you are looking for if you are using an older
computer.
 
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Roger Johansson

Russ said:
My main problem with it right now is that there's either no
information on minimum system requirements (other than "Windows"
and, implicit in the download name, "Win32"), or it's so buried that
I can't find it. I really don't want to download something that big
and go through the setups and tweaking just to 'see if it works' on
my old computer, yaknowwhatimean?

The best program for both mail and newsgroups is 40tude Dialog.
http://www.40tude.com/dialog/ 4.35MB is not so big to download.

It works well on my old pentium 200MHz 64MB computer under win98
It needs a small extra part to work under win95.
As far as I know it works under all other win versions too.

Dialog has replaced my earlier programs, Foxmail and Agent.
It is simply a great freeware program.
 
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REM

I've been keeping an eye on this for some time now. It looks
impressive and promising. I already use Firebird.
My main problem with it right now is that there's either no
information on minimum system requirements (other than "Windows"
and, implicit in the download name, "Win32"), or it's so buried that
I can't find it. I really don't want to download something that big
and go through the setups and tweaking just to 'see if it works' on
my old computer, yaknowwhatimean?

I know what you mean.

I have a 500 mhz Intel with 256 megs of ram. I only keep slim and well
behaved programs running, so I have plenty of resources. RamIdle shows
I have 165 megs of free ram, I opened Thunderbird and it took 15 megs
of ram to load the program and all the messages in it. It pops open
like the old Netscape mail. Very much faster than anything else I have
tried.

It looks like the directory contains 19.4 megs of files. The .exe is
80k.

Maybe that will give you something to contrast your hardware with
anyway. It's large with the bells, but very well behaved and
undemanding on my system.
Calypso was nice except it would not wrap outgoing email, leaving
that to the email client on the receiving end. People who read
Yahoo!Groups mailing lists on the Web really didn't appreciate each
paragraph being one long never-ending line... True, I could use
Clippy to force a wrap on what I wrote. I already use it to format
quoted material copied from the Web. But Calypso wasn't *that*
nice.

I already uninstalled it, so I can't give the size. It just wasn't
quite what I wanted. The author might well incorporate your
suggestions though if you really like the base program.
 
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J44xm

["Buzz Wearingoff"; Wed, 28 Jan 2004 04:31:39 GMT]
Pegasus, I just could not get the hang of it. It was cumbersome at
best. It just seemed to be laid out weird. Anyone have any thoughts on
Pegasus? Perhaps I was going about it all wrong. The last time I tried
it was about a year ago.

It takes a bit of getting used to, but it's really not that bad. It's a
great program and I've been using it for a good 4 or 5 years now.
 
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Sergei Gnezdov

Hello,

I am looking for a decent e-mail program. I am currently using Outlook
Express until I find one. I've tried Eudora, it was great, but I don't
like ad-ware or cripple-ware; Incredimail was incredibly obnoxious =)
per my friends.

Pegasus, I just could not get the hang of it. It was cumbersome at
best. It just seemed to be laid out weird. Anyone have any thoughts on
Pegasus? Perhaps I was going about it all wrong. The last time I tried
it was about a year ago.

Also, anyone have any suggestions for any other free email programs?

Thanks much in advance,

Buzz

I used many programs, some of which run on FreeBSD...

My list of preferences is the following:
- Mozilla Email - great, good spam controls, high usability, stable,
has free plug-ins. You should really try it
- Outlook Express - good for everything, but slow with IMAP and is
exposed to viruses.
- Eudora is very good, but its usability is on the 3rd place after
Mozilla and Outlook Express
- Pegasus. I used older version and it was ok. It has some nice
features. If you get used to it is probably a good application. I
could not use the newest version several months ago, because its IMAP
support was really bad. You probably don't need to worry about
IMAP...

Any other email program I tried did not pass my requirements in
stability, usability, IMAP support or I simply don't know about it.
 
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Russ

Roger said:
The best program for both mail and newsgroups is 40tude Dialog.
http://www.40tude.com/dialog/ 4.35MB is not so big to download.

It works well on my old pentium 200MHz 64MB computer under win98
It needs a small extra part to work under win95. As far as I know
it works under all other win versions too.

Dialog has replaced my earlier programs, Foxmail and Agent.
It is simply a great freeware program.

I tested v2.0.10.1 Beta 33 back at the end of December. There's a
lot to like about 40tude Dialog, but a couple of things which ruled
it out for me.

I can move/copy an incoming email to a created folder, but I can't
do the same for a file copy of something I've sent (if there's a
way, I spent an hour overlooking it). When I open, say, my "Mike"
folder I want to see email he's sent and email I've sent him.
Together. In one folder. I need to be able to move items out of
the "Sent" folder and file them in whatever folder I feel they
belong.

The other problem is the size of the file created. I had two tiny
emails in "msg.dat" and the file size was 31K! I opened it up in a
text editor and was amazed at the multiple repetitions of body text,
and additionally at the blank categories of data (that is,
categories were listed whether there was data to go in them or not).
Needs work.

But it's very promising, and I'll come back and try it again further
down the road.
 
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Russ

REM said:
I know what you mean.

I have a 500 mhz Intel with 256 megs of ram. I only keep slim and well
behaved programs running, so I have plenty of resources. RamIdle shows
I have 165 megs of free ram, I opened Thunderbird and it took 15 megs
of ram to load the program and all the messages in it. It pops open
like the old Netscape mail. Very much faster than anything else I have
tried.

Sounds pretty good.

I'm running a 1995 133 MHz Intel Pentium-S with 32.0 mb RAM, using
Win98. I crapped out on meeting Netscape system requirements after
Navigator v4.08, the last stand-alone. That's fine, as I like Opera
best and use Off By One, Firebird, and K-Meleon as backup browsers.
It looks like the directory contains 19.4 megs of files. The .exe is
80k.

Yeah, that's really bytehog for an email client/newsreader.
Maybe that will give you something to contrast your hardware with
anyway. It's large with the bells, but very well behaved and
undemanding on my system.

Probably more than mine can handle. But either they don't say or
they're hiding the system requirements on me...
I already uninstalled it, so I can't give the size. It just wasn't
quite what I wanted.

Nah, I already tried it. Wasn't quite what I wanted, either...
It's Buzz who's looking for a new email client. I just like to test
out what's available in some freeware categories. Sort of a hobby,
and every once in a while I find something better than what I've
got, or a program which does something easier than the way I'm doing
it.
The author might well incorporate your suggestions though if you
really like the base program.

It got bought out by an outfit that's building a shareware client
called Courier. I checked the Calypso/Courier mailing list and
found someone who'd already broached the problem, and who had even
pointed to the list's Yahoo!Group archive with specific examples. A
guy from Courier told the poster to get lost because all email
clients were supposed to be that way... At that point I uninstalled
it, not wanting to be another unpopular member of Y!G lists by
posting messages where each paragraph was a single never-ending line
which required horizontal scrolling all the way to Kansas City (or,
if you're in Kansas City, to Cleveland).

Calypso had a lot going for it, as do a number of email clients, but
that was a rule-out for me.
 
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Roger Johansson

Russ said:
I can move/copy an incoming email to a created folder, but I can't
do the same for a file copy of something I've sent (if there's a
way, I spent an hour overlooking it). When I open, say, my "Mike"
folder I want to see email he's sent and email I've sent him.
Together. In one folder. I need to be able to move items out of
the "Sent" folder and file them in whatever folder I feel they
belong.
Needs work.

But it's very promising, and I'll come back and try it again further
down the road.

Yes, and I also miss the ability to select several or all messages in a
folder and save them to a text file.
The "Save selected messages to text file" alternative on the File menu
seems to always be unavailable when I really need it.

When I used Agent I could use the folders as safe storing places for texts,
and later select them all and save them to a long text file.

But now I simply save everything valuable to a text file when I write it in
40tude Dialog, I don't trust the program to keep important texts available
for the future.

I have not tried sorting incoming mail to folders either, seems meaningless
when I cannot use those folders for later use to copy from.

But it is a nice program and I like having both mail and news in the same
program.
 
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Paul Blarmy

On Wed, 28 Jan 2004 13:55:20 -0500, Russ wrote...
Calypso was nice except it would not wrap outgoing email

Yes it does. You probably missed it because you do not set it in the
Mailbox properties but have to go to individual account options where you
will find it under the Outgoing Mail tab.

I use Courier now (the paid for version of Calypso) but would never
hesitate to recommend Calypso.
 
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Russ

Paul said:
Yes it does. You probably missed it because you do not set it in
the Mailbox properties but have to go to individual account options
where you will find it under the Outgoing Mail tab.

Fascinating. I also noted in my post:
 

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