SATA vs PATA: in external case

[Arno Wagner]

That kinda depends on your location. According to his header, Arno is
running the Polish version of agent and on a Linux platform. I think he can
be excused for now knowing that.

Well, that is the "polish" version in the same sense that my
CPU comes from "venice". I live in Switzerland.

Arno

 

[Arno Wagner]

External USB HD enclosures are all over the Internet.

Yes. But are there any that accept SATA drives? That is what
I was talking about. I was unable to find any not so
long ago.

Arno

 

[Arno Wagner]

Kingwin makes them, and they have a fan and power
supply:
This is for either USB 2.0 interface or SATA interface:
http://www.kingwin.com/pdut_detail.asp?LineID=&CateID=52&ID=266

This is for USB 2.0 interface:
http://www.kingwin.com/pdut_detail.asp?LineID=&CateID=52&ID=265

*TimDaniels*

Very good! Maybe in the future they will be available here too!
You may notice that the "Kingwin Europe" site does not list
these.

Arno

 

[J. Clarke]

That kinda depends on your location. According to his header, Arno is
running the Polish version of agent and on a Linux platform. I think he
can be excused for now knowing that.

There is this service called "google" . . .

 

[J. Clarke]

Yes. But are there any that accept SATA drives? That is what
I was talking about. I was unable to find any not so
long ago.

Kingwin, Addonics, and a number of others. Some are SATA to USB, some
include Firewire support, some allow the enclosure to be attached to the
machine by USB, Firewire, or SATA.

 

[Beemer Biker]

There is this service called "google" . . .

Thanks John, for that tidbit of info. Checking my sucks-rulez-O-Meter at
google I see

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=lang_en&q="john+clark"+sucks
shows Results 1 - 10 of about 2,170 English pages for "john clark" rulez.
(0.08 seconds)
and comparing that to
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=lang_en&q="john+clark"+rulez
shows Results 1 - 10 of about 12,300 English pages for "john clark" sucks.
(0.04 seconds)

Clearly, you suck have a ways to go before you can rulez. Keep working at
it and you may get up to Rod Speeds level ;-)


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[Timothy Daniels]

Keep working at
it and you may get up to Rod Speeds level ;-)

What is that - 100 on the Speed-O-Meter?

*TimDaniels*

 

[J. Clarke]

Thanks John, for that tidbit of info. Checking my sucks-rulez-O-Meter at
google I see

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=lang_en&q="john+clark"+sucks
shows Results 1 - 10 of about 2,170 English pages for "john clark" rulez.
(0.08 seconds)
and comparing that to
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=lang_en&q="john+clark"+rulez
shows Results 1 - 10 of about 12,300 English pages for "john clark" sucks.
(0.04 seconds)

Clearly, you suck have a ways to go before you can rulez. Keep working
at
it and you may get up to Rod Speeds level ;-)

<plonk>

(should have known better than to correspond with anyone who identifies with
his means of transportation)

 

[Odie Ferrous]

For about a week. None available in Swizerland or Gemany that I could
find. It was about three monts ago, so there may be new products out
now.

Arno

Arno,

I use a UK company called span.com for this sort of thing.

I have a firewire -> PATA bridge board from them, and I'm sure that they
would also do USB -> PATA / SATA in an external housing.

Very good company to deal with, and I can't imagine shipping costing you
much more than 10 euros.


Odie

 

[Folkert Rienstra]

That's because your head is deeply buried under ground, ostrich.

For about a week.

None available in 'Swizerland' or 'Gemany' that I could find.

Well, that is hardly surprizing, isn't it.

It was about three monts ago, so there may be new products out now.

'Swizerland', 'Gemany', the World, what's in a name.
They don't exist in imaginative countries so they don't exist in Ostrich land.
Figures.

 

[Arno Wagner]

I use a UK company called span.com for this sort of thing.

I have a firewire -> PATA bridge board from them, and I'm sure that they
would also do USB -> PATA / SATA in an external housing.

Very good company to deal with, and I can't imagine shipping costing you
much more than 10 euros.

Sounds good, I will have a look.

Arno

 

[Brody]

Grow up!

I'm just trying to help the guy, and you're being a jerk. When did
these treads turn to that?

You havn't been paying attention. This forum has ALWAYS been about dick
size.

 

[Folkert Rienstra]

You havn't been paying attention.

He has made that into a profession.

This forum has ALWAYS been about dick size.

I take it then that your's isn't worth discussing?

 

[Folkert Rienstra]

Nope, you are, as always.

I said that.

Can't even get the basic terminology right.
It's 480Mbit/s and 1.5Gbit/s, clueless.
And you just can't compare them directly since they
use different protocols with different overhead.

Not a *** clue, as always. The sata speed is completely
irrelevant. Its what the physical drive can do that matters.

And costs quite a bit more $/GB and
have fun finding one that will do 500G too.

As usual you got that backwards.

Briljant. Give the man the Nobel prize.

Nonsense.
Any drive that doesn't max out USB won't run any faster on SATA.

Nonsense. Any SATA port will do.

That's the USB port, simpleton.

Nothing whatsoever todo with PCI.

More pig ignorant drivel.

And remember, if you go that route, native SATA, you won't be able to
use the enclosure on anyone else's computer because they won't have it.

What he said himself, stupid.

So, if it's USB-2, or Firewire for that matter; it doesn't matter what you use.

Hope this helps

You never ever do. Have fun finding a 500G 2.5" drive.[/quote:c8d1dde556]

Why do you do that?

Probably for the same reason as you do.

Does that make you feel relevant?

Does baiting make you feel relevant. Obviously.

Just posting something like this proves your not.

So, same to you.

Gosh

Hard drives and RAID arrays are my life!

Let's hope your life is a RAID0 then.

Are you saying the USB connection isn't relevant to hard
drive speed on the very same connection??

Is he? Are you so terminally braindead that you can't tell?

There isn't one made that can keep up with a drive.

Actually you just recommended laptop drives above for just
the very reason that they can. Can't make your mind up, Dannys?

Why do you do that?

No, why do *you* do that. Why do you bait?

Why do you think there is such an enclosure including native
SATA and USB-2??

For the same reason that they do USB *AND* Firewire, maybe?
For convenience, multipurpose usability? Because they are available
interfaces? If it was for speed only, they wouldn't do 2 interfaces
with roughly the same specs. Do you ever use your brains, Dannys?

Why don't you do more reading and less talking?

Back off from that mirror, Dannys. You might scare yourself next.

Perhaps something might be more becoming about you...

No such luck with you though. You can't just grow brains overnight.

I stand by my post, not just in theory, but in practice. I've seen
the same music files that take a minute 10 on any USB-2 port, take
less then 10 seconds on a direct SATA connection.

A more than 7 times difference on ports that are less than 3 times
difference in speed.
Obviously the USB connection wasn't hitting it's 35MB/s bottleneck,
Dannys. You were using some abomination that wasn't working to specs.

And yes, you won't find a 500g notebook drive. But, maybe he doesn't
really need that much. Maybe he needs two smaller ones. Or, maybe
he's just talking and doesn't need one at all. What do you know?

I have two, and I wouldn't trade them. Mwave has very reasonable
prices on both enclosures and hard drives.

Grow up!

I'm just trying to help the guy, and you're being a jerk.

You are the proverbial bricklayer that is performing open hart
surgery with his trowel on a diabetic with low bloodsugar level.
'Sorry doctor, I butchered the patient, but you see, I was trying to help'.

When did these treads turn to that?

The very same moment that you displayed your immens stupidity.

 

[Frazer Jolly Goodfellow]

'...imaginative countries...'

(!)

 

[Z Man]

I need to add 500GB of external storage to my system. I am
considering

No, you're all making the wrong argument. It doesn't matter the speed
of the drives, the bottleneck is going to be the USB-2 port. The port
will only run at 480m/bits and a serial drive runs at least at
1.5g/bits. That's with a "G."

Interesting. As an alternative, which might give me the best of both worlds,
I saw a combo SATA/USB/Firewire external case. If I install an SATA drive in
that case, I would get the benefits of SATA speed if I use the drive with an
SATA equipped computer, but I would still be able to use the drive more
universally with USB. Correct? Check this out:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5866333943&rd=1&sspagename=STRK:MEWA:IT&rd=1

 

[Folkert Rienstra]

Interesting. As an alternative, which might give me the best of both worlds,
I saw a combo SATA/USB/Firewire external case. If I install an SATA drive in
that case, I would get the benefits of SATA speed if I use the drive with an
SATA equipped computer, but I would still be able to use the drive more
universally with USB.

Correct?

Apparently, with a SATA drive.

Check this out:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5866333943&rd=1&sspagename=STRK:MEWA:IT&rd=1

Mixed reviews, apparently it has some issues.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/CustRatingReview.asp?Item=N82E16817146057