samsung toner refill

[Vic Dura]

Does anyone know of a good source for samsung toner refills for the
ML-1710D3 cartridge? I would like a recommendation from someone who
has actually used the toner.

The reason I ask that is I bought some toner refill from WeInk.com and
it was terrible. I would like to try another source that someone has a
good experience with.

Thanks

 

[Davy]

Have a look at http://www.refill-toner.co.uk/index.htm, you don't give
a location.. this one's based in the UK. The above link will show you
how to refill them as well.

Davy

 

[trevor]

Have a look at http://www.refill-toner.co.uk/index.htm, you don't give
a location.. this one's based in the UK. The above link will show you
how to refill them as well.

Davy

Oh, it is so seriously dangerous to try to refill toner cartridges yourself.
You do not want toner on you and you do not want toner in you. You do not
want to breath in toner. Toner is toxic which means it poisons you. Toner
is carcinogenic which means it gives you cancer. Toner is easily airborn so
it is easy to breath in. We don't recommend that ANYONE try to open or
refill toner cartridges in the home of office.

Information about cleaning or handling loose toner more safely is available
at:
http://think4inc.com/cleaning_toner.php

 

[Vic Dura]

Have a look at http://www.refill-toner.co.uk/index.htm, you don't give
a location.. this one's based in the UK. The above link will show you
how to refill them as well.

Thanks Davy, it looks like a good source. However I'm in the U.S.
which I forgot to mention, so I would like a U.S. source.

Sorry for my error.

Regards,
Vic Dura

 

[Steve Mackie]

Oh, it is so seriously dangerous to try to refill toner cartridges

yourself.
You do not want toner on you and you do not want toner in you. You do not
want to breath in toner. Toner is toxic which means it poisons you. Toner
is carcinogenic which means it gives you cancer. Toner is easily airborn
so
it is easy to breath in. We don't recommend that ANYONE try to open or
refill toner cartridges in the home of office.

Who is "we?"

Some toner is a carcinogen, but you would have to ingest a lot to have a
chance of getting cancer. (Not sure how much, but if you ingested enough
toner to get cancer, you deserve it.) If you breath in large amounts you MAY
develop some sort of throat/lung irritation or infection. Getting in on your
skin does nothing, just rinse it off with cold water, using warm water may
cause the toner to stain your skin.

To be 100% about the toner you are using, find the MSDS on the manufacturers
website or call them to have it sent to you.

Besides all that, doing an at home "drill and fill" is futile. Just buy a
referbed toner from a reputable dealer, either local to you or on eBay.

Steve

 

[Brendan R. Wehrung]

Thanks Davy, it looks like a good source. However I'm in the U.S.
which I forgot to mention, so I would like a U.S. source.

Sorry for my error.

Regards,
Vic Dura

I've seen local companies advertizing on cable who do refilling, and a
Google search with your state or city might turn one up.

Brendan

 

[Stick Stickus]

Try your nearest Cartridge World.

 

[trevor]

Who is "we?"

we are the borg. resistance is futile.

Some toner is a carcinogen, but you would have to ingest a lot to have a
chance of getting cancer. (Not sure how much, but if you ingested enough
toner to get cancer, you deserve it.)

OK, hold it right there. Are you talking about children as well? How about
pregnant women? Your home or office is your domain, but if your kids come
over to play with mine, THERE WILL BE NO INGESTING OF TONER. Help yourself
to anything you find in the fridge.

Besides all that, doing an at home "drill and fill" is futile. Just buy a
referbed toner from a reputable dealer, either local to you or on eBay.

On that we agree.

 

[Davy]

Refilling a toner cartridge, well the dangerous part is 'how you' g
about it...! Just like filling your car with gas.. just lik
crossing the road eh...

I appreciate the OP lives in the State's and maybe wanted to get th
machine working pretty quickly.... suppose someone in Anywherelan
could get the toner but had no idea how to do it...... well the sit
I gave show's how it is all done

Dav

 

[Tony]

we are the borg. resistance is futile.


OK, hold it right there. Are you talking about children as well? How about
pregnant women? Your home or office is your domain, but if your kids come
over to play with mine, THERE WILL BE NO INGESTING OF TONER. Help yourself
to anything you find in the fridge.

I applaud your concern for children, indeed toner is not a suitable material
for kids to be exposed to. Having said that, the vast majority of toner made
today for laser printers is not carcinogenic and is not toxic except in
extremely large quantities. Indeed HP do not recommend any form of protection
when handling toner, they state that it is unnecessary. That does not mean that
common sense should not be used of course. Most local authorities permit the
dumping of toner in landfills having very carefully researched the implications.
"Dust explosions" are possible but no more so than with any very fine organic
material. HP and other manufacturers publish MSDS's for their toners (and other
products) and they make reassuring reading.

In respect of drill (or melt) and fill of toner cartridges; this saves nearly
50% of the cost of the second cartridge but is not universally successful or
easy. Some cartridges can be refilled at home once, a very small number more
than once and for others it is a waste of time. As a general rule I do not
recommend it because the success rate is not high for the average person,
remanufacturers however do much more than just replenish the toner, other
components are replaced and old toner is removed with almost 100% success.

Generalisations are often misleading and certainly are in this case for both
subjects
Tony

<snip>

 

[Davy]

I filled my toner 2 or 3 times to date and still going strong inspit
of heavy clobbing it gets from making PCB's using Toner transfe
film

Many printers had the drum built in and can be refilled as long as th
drum remains useful... Gee my printer cost £54 (uk) brand new, 1
months warranty inc del. cost............. the toner unit is abou
£60, so work that one out

This unit and many other's requires no holes to be melted drilled o
whatever... just an end cap that has to be sprised off, this fir
even sends you a new one as well as a filling spout

It's the user what is dangerous not the toner, hence the comment

Refilling a toner cartridge, well the dangerous part is 'how you

go about it...! Just like filling your car with gas.. just lik
crossing the road eh...?

Dav

 

[Richard Steinfeld]

The toner MDS for my Okidata 12i LED printer lists:
Styrene-Butyl Acetate Copolymer
Carbon Black
Paraffin Wax
Amorphous Fumed Silica

Hazards of the ingredients include cancer, tumors, eye problems, eczema
of skin and throat; eye, respiratory, and digestive irritation, etc.
The precautions for handling at the time (1998) don't look ominous,
however. The MDS says to clean small spills with a wet cloth. Wear
protective gear for big spills. Rats don't do well with this stuff.
However, I still wouldn't want to breathe it! I don't think that I want
to mess with loading my own cartridges.

My former printer was an old HP 3. It's toner melted at a higher
temperature. Its components were Polypropylene, Polyethylene, and
carbon. Juggling the ratios of the first two components gives you the
melt temperature. The newer toner melts at a lower temperature (note the
wax) and the system uses less of an electrostatic charge.

The newer toners melt at lower temperatures, so the printer's fuser
doesn't get as hot and therefore uses much less electricity. The lower
electrostatic charge means that the printer doesn't throw off much ozone
(a respiratory irritant): a real issue with those old HPs if your ozone
filter was old or if you'd bought a bad ozone filter (which there were
lots of).

I don't know about other brands, but I can say that the second
generation of Oki's LED printers & fax machines were disasters in terms
of reliability. They got the environmental part right, but at the
expense of self-destructing drums -- a very expensive part. Oki appeared
to have no mercy, but they did replace my entire printer with a newer,
better model.

I'm not up on the characteristics of newer toners, but I wouldn't want
to breathe them either.

Richard

 

[Richard Steinfeld]

I filled my toner 2 or 3 times to date and still going strong inspite
of heavy clobbing it gets from making PCB's using Toner transfer
film.

Many printers had the drum built in and can be refilled as long as the
drum remains useful... Gee my printer cost £54 (uk) brand new, 12
months warranty inc del. cost............. the toner unit is about
£60, so work that one out.

Wow. That's sure a low price for a printer. Is it a Samsung?

Richard

 

[Arthur Entlich]

It is truly amazing the variety of formulations that exist for laser and
photocopier toners (just black ones, let alone color). The technologies
have changed, as you stated, with environmental concerns, cost of
materials, separate or integrated magnetic developer (on some models not
used at all anymore) etc. Also, the increased resolution of the lasers,
etc. has altered formulations.

However, I have to admit the older HP/Canon laser printers give a really
nice black and clean edged result that stayed up on the page. I have
found some of the newer laser toner formulations aren't as dark,
transfer more easily to other pages or plastics, aren't as crisp, or streak.

Carbon Black is a known carcinogen, and I imagine some of the polymers
aren't great for you either in your lungs. Who knows what the
consequences are of that stuff melting and what kind of gases or
volatiles are given off. You raise some good points.

Art

 

[Davy]

Wow. That's sure a low price for a printer. Is it a Samsung?

Richard

Sorry just read your reply...... Yep a Samsung ML1510 a de-lux bread
bin... but it sure does work and I clobber it making PCB's using
toner transfer paper.

When I ditched the proverbial C62 after a couple of failure's (this
saga now ended) I was looking for a printer and came across this at
Dabs Computers in Bolton UK, an offer I could not resist the price
quoted inc. the delevery and 12 months warranty... all brand new.

Would I but a Epson C62 nope, would I buy another Samsung yep..... the
toner assembley is around £60 lol, so this and the Canon ip5000 are my
main printers.... once the ol' fuser has warmed up it's just as fast
as the Canon... ok the DPI ain't nothing to write home about but it
sure does print.

Obviously once the drum goes thats it... a new printer or a new
toner....but I did come across a UK site that sold replacement drums
for this around £8 (and other models) - can I find thet site again...
no..!

Be awfully good fun changin' it...

Davy

 

[Fenrir Enterprises]

The newer toners melt at lower temperatures, so the printer's fuser
doesn't get as hot and therefore uses much less electricity. The lower
electrostatic charge means that the printer doesn't throw off much ozone
(a respiratory irritant): a real issue with those old HPs if your ozone
filter was old or if you'd bought a bad ozone filter (which there were
lots of).


Richard

I don't know if this goes for all laser printers (especially those in
the home consumer-level price range). One of the complaints I've been
seeing (mainly for Brother lasers) on the PCB discussion group is that
toner transfer processes (ironing, laminating, etc, to transfer toner
to a copper circuit board, I do brass engraving but the concept is
exactly the same) are starting to fail with some newer printers due to
the toner melting temperature being much, much /higher/. Enough that
some printers will destroy commercial toner transfer sheets or simply
not transfer at all at the usual temperatures (many people use inkjet
photo papers, which I think is probably a bad idea). This can be a
problem for people who have a dedicated laminator system with a fixed
temperature.

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arts, crafts, and much more.

 

[Michael Hopper]

It is truly amazing the variety of formulations that exist for laser and
photocopier toners (just black ones, let alone color).

snip

Carbon Black is a known carcinogen, and I imagine some of the polymers
aren't great for you either in your lungs. Who knows what the
consequences are of that stuff melting and what kind of gases or
volatiles are given off. You raise some good points.

Art

The carbon black used in most OEM toners is not some inexpensive grade
but has to pass safety tests such as the Ames evaluation for mutagens.
The black used in the aftermarket is not tested for all known hazards.
I would be concerned about any toner particles smaller than 3 microns
in diameter that are in the toner as they can lead to lung problems.

As for the polymers, the most critical hazard is non polymerized
styrene monomer which fortunately has a smell that is very noticable if
the concentration in the toner is more than 100 ppm. The lower melting
newer toners are likely sfaer than the earlier versions as they are
exposed to lower fusing temperature.

Mike

 

[Davy]

Think we gone down this avenue before...

If printers can print CD's why can't they print a PCB, a sligh
mechanical mod and a wee bit of software hacking should do the tric
~ then there's the ink problem

...... and someone stands to make a dime/penny or two... "Jamaic
and tequila all day long here I come"

Dav

 

[Richard Steinfeld]

It is truly amazing the variety of formulations that exist for laser and
photocopier toners (just black ones, let alone color). The technologies
have changed, as you stated, with environmental concerns, cost of
materials, separate or integrated magnetic developer (on some models not
used at all anymore) etc. Also, the increased resolution of the lasers,
etc. has altered formulations.

However, I have to admit the older HP/Canon laser printers give a really
nice black and clean edged result that stayed up on the page. I have
found some of the newer laser toner formulations aren't as dark,
transfer more easily to other pages or plastics, aren't as crisp, or
streak.

Carbon Black is a known carcinogen, and I imagine some of the polymers
aren't great for you either in your lungs. Who knows what the
consequences are of that stuff melting and what kind of gases or
volatiles are given off. You raise some good points.

The surprise for me, reading the toner ingredients, was how little
percentage was the color (carbon): it was about 5%, as I recall. And a
mea culpa: I misused the "it's."

Interesting points. Further, under Bush's appointees, can we trust any
recently-published safety statements?

Richard

 

[Richard Steinfeld]

I don't know if this goes for all laser printers (especially those in
the home consumer-level price range).

I'm not sure what you mean by "this." I can say with certainty that my
old HP3 stunk up the place from the ozone that it emitted unless I had
managed to find a _good_ ozone filter for it. The two Oki LED printers
I've used subsequently and the Brother simply don't do this. Now, on the
other hand, my Sharper Image Ionic Breeze air cleaners, were advertised
to emit "...a healthful amount of ozone." And man do they reek of it!
Just like Consumer Reports said. So, I think that a lot of today's
Xerography printers are very cool in this regard.

One of the complaints I've been

seeing (mainly for Brother lasers) on the PCB discussion group is that
toner transfer processes (ironing, laminating, etc, to transfer toner
to a copper circuit board, I do brass engraving but the concept is
exactly the same) are starting to fail with some newer printers due to
the toner melting temperature being much, much /higher/.

PCB = Printed Circuit Board?
Do you mean that the circuit boards are failing? How are they failing?
(I'm asking because of my interest in audio.)


Enough that

some printers will destroy commercial toner transfer sheets or simply
not transfer at all at the usual temperatures (many people use inkjet
photo papers, which I think is probably a bad idea). This can be a
problem for people who have a dedicated laminator system with a fixed
temperature.

I wonder if there's any such thing as "usual temperatures" for most or
all contemporary electrostatic printers. If so, what?

Richard