Rules about copies of XP?

[kurttrail]

Laurel;
It would be nice if Microsoft allowed a single purchase to be
installed on multiple computers in a household.
But that is not what the EULA says.
As with any product purchased, we have a choice and if the terms are
not acceptable we do not buy.

"...where they lend their disk to all and sundry."
The same for any product.
Pick a product, any product you want.
What would happen to theft of that product if the manufacturers gave
it to everyone who wanted their product?
Is that a reason to force that business to give their product away or
even lower their price?
After all theft of that product would most likely go down.

It is easy to justify ourselves because we feel the price is high or
the terms are not as we would like.
But that does not change the agreement.
If the price does not justify upgrading multiple computers, then
perhaps some computers should not be upgraded at this time.
Ignoring an agreement is not a good option.

Watch out! Looks like Jupiter is trying to assimilate you!

http://microscum.com/jupiter/

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[kurttrail]

Laurel;
It would be nice if Microsoft allowed a single purchase to be
installed on multiple computers in a household.
But that is not what the EULA says.
As with any product purchased, we have a choice and if the terms are
not acceptable we do not buy.

"...where they lend their disk to all and sundry."
The same for any product.
Pick a product, any product you want.
What would happen to theft of that product if the manufacturers gave
it to everyone who wanted their product?
Is that a reason to force that business to give their product away or
even lower their price?
After all theft of that product would most likely go down.

It is easy to justify ourselves because we feel the price is high or
the terms are not as we would like.
But that does not change the agreement.
If the price does not justify upgrading multiple computers, then
perhaps some computers should not be upgraded at this time.
Ignoring an agreement is not a good option.

http://news.com.com/Microsoft+puts+a+little+money+where+its+mouth+is/2100-1029_3-5590042.html

1 in 3000! Hardly anyone reads a EULA. All it is, is a extra nonsense
button to push on your way to install the copy of very expensive
software that was sold to you by the previous own of that copy of
software, the retailer.


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[Leythos]

Oh, and there you go again, not acknowledging that you are snipping up
my post, and taking my words out of the whole context that they were
written.

Kurt, it's fairly common and normal to snip the parts you don't reply too,
or to just keep the parts you are replying to - it's been done on Usenet
for decades. If I don't have anything to say about a segment I don't reply
to it. Not posting a reply to a segment means only that I'm not replying
to it, nothing more or less.

 

[Leythos]

As a MicroNazi

Kurt, while I respect that you have and are entitled to your own opinion,
I can't understand why you can't state that opinion without being
snide/rude and/or belligerent?

Don't you understand how immature that makes you look in the reply - if
you want people to believe your opinion it would go a long way to cut the
flames.

 

[Leythos]

Watch out! Looks like Jupiter is trying to assimilate you!

There you go again - flaming people or making fun of them. If you would
just state that you disagree and then provide your rebuttal you would not
look so childish. The only time I mind seeing your posts is when you are
being rule or flaming someone, which you do a lot.

If does not help your position to be rude to anyone.

 

[Jupiter Jones [MVP]]

And as is often the case with you Kurt.
When you have nothing of value to say you insult.

Your need to insult others displays plenty your own character clearly.

 

[Jupiter Jones [MVP]]

And why is it Microsoft's fault if someone does not read and agreement
before agreeing to the agreement?
Do you as readily accept people breaking agreements made with you?
Why or why not?
Or is it always your fault if others do not understand an agreement made
with you?

 

[kurttrail]

There you go again - flaming people or making fun of them. If you
would just state that you disagree and then provide your rebuttal you
would not look so childish. The only time I mind seeing your posts is
when you are being rule or flaming someone, which you do a lot.

If does not help your position to be rude to anyone.

I really don't care what you mind, Lamethos. Haven't you figured that
out yet?

I was making a joke, obviously YOU didn't think it was funny. No big
deal. Throughout my life, I've met people that lack a sense of humor,
and get very upset over me exercising mine. I've learned to live with
it, and enjoy myself. Life is too short to go around being serious all
the time. Have Fun!

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[kurttrail]

Kurt, it's fairly common and normal to snip the parts you don't reply
too, or to just keep the parts you are replying to - it's been done
on Usenet for decades. If I don't have anything to say about a
segment I don't reply to it. Not posting a reply to a segment means
only that I'm not replying to it, nothing more or less.

LOL! And it is also a common practice to acknowledge the snip in some
form or fashion, and has been done on the USENET for decades.

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[Jupiter Jones [MVP]]

Said by someone who can't tell the difference between humor and insults.
Most kids learn the difference at a very young age.

Your need to insult in your attempt to make a point is your own character
flaw and not a shortcoming of others.

 

[kurttrail]

Kurt, while I respect that you have and are entitled to your own
opinion, I can't understand why you can't state that opinion without
being snide/rude and/or belligerent?

Your lack of understanding would be your problem.

Don't you understand how immature that makes you look in the reply -
if you want people to believe your opinion it would go a long way to
cut the flames.

If you looked at the whole post, you would have seen that I explained
why he is a MicroNazi.

Take any 11 word complete quote of mine, and see how many posts you'll
find! I doubt you will find more than a handful. Not hundreds. Bruce
is a propagandist, and misrepresents the FACT that Section 117 is a
Limitation on the Computer Program Copyright Owner Rights.

If I had been alive when Goebels was spouting his nonsensical propaganda
time and time again, you can be damned sure I would have reamed him a
new a-hole, at least until I was taken away to the concentration camp.

To thine ownself be true. And I can't just sit idlely by when I see
such a blatant deciever as Bruce continually spouting off his nonsense.
That wouldn't be true to who I am!

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[kurttrail]

Said by someone who can't tell the difference between humor and
insults.

I'm a Howard Stern fan! A lot of people think he is insulting, and even
more think he is funny.

Most kids learn the difference at a very young age.

The difference is in your perception. You are insulted, as you are the
butt of the joke. Oh well, that would be your problem, taking yourself
too seriously.

I learned at a very early age to laugh at myself. I don't get insulted
when I am the butt of the joke. I laugh along with everybody else.
That is real maturity.

Your need to insult in your attempt to make a point is your own
character flaw and not a shortcoming of others.

I would differ with that opinion, and I believe I already have. Just
look at my sig. I make fun of myself with every post!

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[kurttrail]

And why is it Microsoft's fault if someone does not read and agreement
before agreeing to the agreement?

I didn't say it was. I believe that MS's EULA is a perfectly valid
COMMERCIAL USE License. As a private non-commerial use license, it has
yet to be proven a valid means to strip individuals of their "fair use"
rights. I've explained that in great detail already in this thread.
Please refer to those posts.

Do you as readily accept people breaking agreements made with you?

If my terms are unconscionable, yes. And MS denying the sale, after the
fact of the sale is in my opinion totally unconscionable.

Why or why not?
Or is it always your fault if others do not understand an agreement
made with you?

If I sold you Kurt's Brand of HDTV, and you got it home, and this you
found a slip of paper inside that said, this TV is licensed not sold,
how would you feel about it?

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[Leythos]

I was making a joke, obviously YOU didn't think it was funny. No big
deal. Throughout my life, I've met people that lack a sense of humor,
and get very upset over me exercising mine.

Kurt, I hate to tell you this, but I've got a great sense of humor and
being old military I'm not insulted by much, if anything. Also, as you
mentioned elsewhere, I also listen to Howard most days and have never
missed a joke or been insulted by his shows.

On the other hand, your post didn't include anything that could be
considered a joke or humor. You constantly hide behind the snide remarks
and ill mannered comments. You are taken less seriously by most each time
you present yourself that way.

Try it for a week, don't make any snide/off-hand comments for a week, and
that includes the flippant way you change people's nicks - I bet you can't
do it.

 

[Leythos]

If you looked at the whole post, you would have seen that I explained
why he is a MicroNaz

Just because he supports the rules that MS wants people to follow doesn't
make him ANYTHING - and certainly not a Naz. That would be the same as
calling you a TrollingNazPiracyAdvocate. If you can't make your point
without being rude then you're not really making a point, your hiding from
something.

What you should have done was presented the alternate side and been polite
about it.

 

[kurttrail]

Kurt, I hate to tell you this, but I've got a great sense of humor and
being old military I'm not insulted by much, if anything. Also, as you
mentioned elsewhere, I also listen to Howard most days and have never
missed a joke or been insulted by his shows.

On the other hand, your post didn't include anything that could be
considered a joke or humor. You constantly hide behind the snide
remarks and ill mannered comments. You are taken less seriously by
most each time you present yourself that way.

Try it for a week, don't make any snide/off-hand comments for a week,
and that includes the flippant way you change people's nicks - I bet
you can't do it.

douchebagsayswha?!

If you listen to Howard then you should realize that most of his humor
is putdown humor. I grew up in the NY-metro area, and most of us ain't
as uptight as those in the Red States. We tell it like it is, and we
have fun doing it! I had my sense of humor long before I ever heard
Howard back in mid '80s.

As for the rest Lameboy, I'm serious when I want to be, and having fun
when I want have fun, and girls just wanna have fun! ;-)

See, you should have just minded your own business, and left the rest
between Juppy, Brucey, and me. I only diss those that earned it. And
you have earned it, by sticking your nose where it really don't belong.

But don't go changing to try to please me! ;-)

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[Tom]

<snip>

LOL! Section 117 is a limitation of the rights of the Copyright Owners,
not a limitation on the rights of the owner of a copy!

But Bruce is in love with the the delusions to the contrary! As a
MicroNazi, he knows the power of repeating the same nonsense over and over
again!

http://tinyurl.com/hhjj - 314 times with his previous incarnation, "to be
in compliance with both the EULA and copyright laws."
http://snipurl.com/d81h - 125 times with his latest incarnation, "to be in
compliance with both the EULA and U.S. copyright."

Bruce is a MicroNazi propagandist, plain and simple. Goes by the Goebels
theory that if you repeat something long enough, people will start
believing it, no matter that it is a total fabrication of reality.

http://microscum.com/bruce/

After reading section "a" of Bruce's link, it doesn't seem that it at all
applies to the single owner. I also noted that the word "OR" is the linked
in terms between explanation "1" and "2", as I noted it doesn't say "and",
which would be very different in meaning.

But if you take what this says in section1:

"that such a new copy or adaptation is created as an essential step in the
utilization of the computer program in conjunction with a machine and that
it is used in no other manner"

That translates that a copy of the Computer program can be used as such with
a machine for the same uses/pruposes, but not on just "ONE" machine as it
states "in conjunction".

 

[Woody]

you guys listen to howard stearn ?

 

[Leythos]

you guys listen to howard stearn ?

I listen to Howard Stern, Rush Limb..., Bob Connors, and a lot of AM radio
talk shows. I don't listen to left-wing idiots though

 

[Leythos]

Love me, or hate me. There is usually no in between.

From what I've seen I completely agree with that ending statement.