replacing Vista with XP/w2k and possible problems with drivers

[Tae Song]

A fresh install of 9.04 Remix. Fully updated and no configuration changes
made to Samba. The XP shares can be seen and accessed as normal, after
giving the password....
Windows 7 machine is seen on the network, but can't be accessed - I just
get an endless loop of the log-in dialog box...

The problem is Microsoft introduced changes with SMB 2.0 in Vista. It
allows machines using only SMB 1.0 to see Vista but not access it.

XP seems to support SMB 2.0 or has changes necessary to access shares on
Vista over SMB 1.0 (needs further investigating).


To access Vista shares from machines with only SMB 1.0 (or compatibility),
disable SMB 2.0.

From an elevated command prompt

sc config lanmanworkstation depend= bowser/mrxsmb10/nsi
sc config mrxsmb20 start= disabled


To reenable SMB 2.0

sc config lanmanworkstation depend= bowser/mrxsmb10/mrxsmb20/nsi
sc config mrxsmb20 start= auto


Source:
http://www.petri.co.il/how-to-disable-smb-2-on-windows-vista-or-server-2008.htm


I tested this with a Windows 98SE machine, which had problems connecting to
Vista mahcines but no problems accessing XP machines. After disabling SMB
2.0 I can access shares on the Windows 98SE as easily as any other Vista or
XP machines.

I still have yet to test Linux, though.

Not yet sure what the downside of disabling SMB 2.0 is. There's no
performance changes. Only other thing is security "enhancements" in SMB
2.0, but it may be just induced from the incompatibility with SMB 1.0.


Reference on Samba (smb.conf) configuration and explanation of SMB security
modes:
http://www.redhat.com/docs/manuals/enterprise/RHEL-4-Manual/ref-guide/s1-samba-security-modes.html

 

[Gordon]

The problem is Microsoft introduced changes with SMB 2.0 in Vista. It
allows machines using only SMB 1.0 to see Vista but not access it.

XP seems to support SMB 2.0 or has changes necessary to access shares on
Vista over SMB 1.0 (needs further investigating).


To access Vista shares from machines with only SMB 1.0 (or compatibility),
disable SMB 2.0.

From an elevated command prompt

sc config lanmanworkstation depend= bowser/mrxsmb10/nsi
sc config mrxsmb20 start= disabled


To reenable SMB 2.0

sc config lanmanworkstation depend= bowser/mrxsmb10/mrxsmb20/nsi
sc config mrxsmb20 start= auto


Source:
http://www.petri.co.il/how-to-disable-smb-2-on-windows-vista-or-server-2008.htm


I tested this with a Windows 98SE machine, which had problems connecting
to Vista mahcines but no problems accessing XP machines. After disabling
SMB 2.0 I can access shares on the Windows 98SE as easily as any other
Vista or XP machines.

I still have yet to test Linux, though.

Not yet sure what the downside of disabling SMB 2.0 is. There's no
performance changes. Only other thing is security "enhancements" in SMB
2.0, but it may be just induced from the incompatibility with SMB 1.0.


Reference on Samba (smb.conf) configuration and explanation of SMB
security modes:
http://www.redhat.com/docs/manuals/enterprise/RHEL-4-Manual/ref-guide/s1-samba-security-modes.html

Done that - no joy.

 

[Tae Song]

The problem is Microsoft introduced changes with SMB 2.0 in Vista. It
allows machines using only SMB 1.0 to see Vista but not access it.

XP seems to support SMB 2.0 or has changes necessary to access shares on
Vista over SMB 1.0 (needs further investigating).


To access Vista shares from machines with only SMB 1.0 (or compatibility),
disable SMB 2.0.

From an elevated command prompt

sc config lanmanworkstation depend= bowser/mrxsmb10/nsi
sc config mrxsmb20 start= disabled


To reenable SMB 2.0

sc config lanmanworkstation depend= bowser/mrxsmb10/mrxsmb20/nsi
sc config mrxsmb20 start= auto


Source:
http://www.petri.co.il/how-to-disable-smb-2-on-windows-vista-or-server-2008.htm


I tested this with a Windows 98SE machine, which had problems connecting
to Vista mahcines but no problems accessing XP machines. After disabling
SMB 2.0 I can access shares on the Windows 98SE as easily as any other
Vista or XP machines.

I still have yet to test Linux, though.

Not yet sure what the downside of disabling SMB 2.0 is. There's no
performance changes. Only other thing is security "enhancements" in SMB
2.0, but it may be just induced from the incompatibility with SMB 1.0.


Reference on Samba (smb.conf) configuration and explanation of SMB
security modes:
http://www.redhat.com/docs/manuals/enterprise/RHEL-4-Manual/ref-guide/s1-samba-security-modes.html

Minor correction. Window 98SE still can't access Vista shares. I was
looking at another machine with a similar name.

 

[Greg]

MS is being difficult perhaps, but they're breaking no law. MS
sells/licenses operating systems to HP, who then assembles and sells the
complete product to you, the customer. MS and HP working together "provide"
the computer/operating system combination. They are under no obligation to
provide you with a new one that runs XP. That's like going to my local
Honda dealer and telling them I want another 1999 Honda Civic HX, just like
the one I am trying to trade in. My choices are to buy one of the new cars
available, or to keep using the old one. It's the same with electronics
like your computer.

That sounds like a monopoly but that is for another thread.

You could possible get a used Honda Civic HX.


The problem isn't the computer (Well from what tech's told me, Vista
is really slow and windows 7 runs really fast) The problem people buy
tons of software of software, the Microsoft changes the operating
system. Then the old software doesn't work and make people mad.
Then have to keep buying new.

In fact, I just got xp disk and I am now dual booting between 98se
and xp. The reason I got that was I forced to. Yes forced to, if I
wanted to keep paying my bills online. The Credit card company uses
flash and my banking sites does as well. So in a way you are forced
to upgrade or not have a computer. The newest Flash software no
longer supports windows 98se

Greg

 

[Greg]

Your first problem will be in finding SATA/AHCI drivers for XP so that
you can even begin to install XP.

If you are only 55 yrs old I'd strongly suggest that you learn to use
Vista as it is the future...i.e., Windows 7 is built on Vista and XP is,
for an intense and purposes...a dead OS.

I just bought xp, so I can pay my bill (Some sites use flash and they
will require xp soon)

Hmm, not quite true from what a tech told me. It is going to be
built on xp and some on vista to make it faster. Windows 7 pro is
even going to have a xp mode.

Greg