Registry Cleaners

[Twayne]

You have not produced any proof re the effectiveness of registry
cleaners used on Win 2000 and above because there are *non* in
existence. Apart from you, the only claims made to the good of
registry cleaners are the ads for them..

Yes, I have produced "proof". That's the second time I've said this.
There are even a couple of white papers "in existence"; I just checked
to be sure they're still there. Learn how to use Google.

So it is just YOUR word against many others..

So where is their "proof" if that's what's required? Where's yours?

 

[Twayne]

http://groups.google.com/group/micr...9fc55c84159/f9b2f696ca1b9462#f9b2f696ca1b9462
http://groups.google.com/group/micr...bbeldygook+Computer+unusable#6e931aaebff35bc6
http://boards.live.com/safetyboards/thread.aspx?threadid=1009500&boardsparam=PostID=28824491
http://www.bleepingcomputer.com/forums/topic110399.html
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;299958
http://windowshelp.microsoft.com/Windows/en-US/Help/449a5c7d-f9f9-4392-800c-83503145889f1033.mspx
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/888637
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/247678
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;969707&sd=rss&spid=11734
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/951950

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I thought you might have something there in the MS links! But,
interesting as it was, the MS links didn't demonstrate unrepairable
damage, no system crashes, and in fact many of the referenced programs
in a couple of them weren't registry cleaners but av and other sundry
programs of questionable resources. Actually, none of the registry
cleaners were ones I would ever suggest using anyway, but for reasons
entirely different from the articles.
What I'm saying is, they don't support the contentions of the
misinformationists about being unbootable, imminent system failure or
even anything more than annoyances, really, from the viewpoint of what
the myth spreaders are on about.
What the links did do for me was verify a few things I already knew,
which is handy to have. Specifically the first-run scenarios, even if
applying a registry cleaner at that time is not advisable. I don't see
why anyone would run a scan before a program's installation was
completed; something must be missing in that one.

I would really love to see something that goes deeper into the problems
since according to the misinformationists EVERY registry cleaner is
going to cause problems of non-boot, system failure, etc. etc.. That
would be very valuable to have. Anedcotal evidence is always good but
it won't work at the bank.

Twayne

 

[Twayne]

"Is there anything more substantial on this subject?"

The only way to truly appreciate how useless - and possibly dangerous
- is a so-called registry cleaner is to learn more about how your
computer works, and the Windows registry in particular. Otherwise,
you're pitting one person's word against another.

I agree! It sheds the light right where it needs to be! But it won't
achieve your expectations for the true researcher.

The more you learn, the more you'll understand, and you'll see why
these products are marketed to people with little computer knowledge.
These are the software equivalent of the diet and multi-vitamin pills
you hear advertised on late night infomercials. As in the case of the
Windows registry, few people understand what these pills really do in
the body, so they can be swayed by arguments that appeal more to
human emotion than to the facts.

You mean like, XP, Vista, win8, win7, Office, and all the rest of them,
right? Therer are more problems with those than even any bogus registry
cleaner ever dreamed of. MS is the only company I know of that releases
apha-ware and calls it Production. Same for anti-virus, so there's no
use in having it by that logic. What do YOU think vendors should do;
advertise nothing but problems? That's the lamest bull crap I've heard
in quite awhile.

Here's one fact: No responsible journal or test lab has published
before and after tests that prove the claims a registry cleaner

Oh, yes they have!

makes, and little wonder: They can't be proven.

That depends on the mind and how the holder of that mind wants to define
"proven".

However, these

newsgroups are routinely visited by people who've messed up their
computers with a so-called registry cleaner.

Or think that anyway. GIGO applies to any such situation. There are
many more people who visit these groups who use them, have no problems
and no wish to be talked down to and called names by the
misinformationists et al who always climb out of the woodwork. That
attitude is what actually initiated my campaign over misinformation.

IF one is human, that is.

Or think, or claim, they have.

 

[Twayne]

You're an ass on wartless progress.

Thank you! That's quite a concession coming from you.

 

[John John - MVP]

Reference one.

How about this one:

http://groups.google.com/group/micr...upport/browse_thread/thread/6b333372c870ea74#

Less than 3 or 4 weeks ago. Where were you? You're constantly touting
yourself as an expert with the registry and these useless cleaners, why
didn't you offer any help?

Anytime registry cleaners are mentioned you go into one of your
trademarked rants and at just about the same time as Peg (above) was
having problems you were engaged in another one of your rants:

http://groups.google.com/group/micr...insubject:Registry+insubject:Cleaners&lnk=ol&

You were around and actively perusing the groups ready to pounce at any
posts where registry cleaners were questioned. You saw Peg's post, but
yet you remained silent. Why? Because as usual you decided to
conveniently hide, as soon as users report problems with these useless
programs you disappear.

John

 

[Mike Hall - MVP]

Yes, I have produced "proof". That's the second time I've said this.
There are even a couple of white papers "in existence"; I just checked to
be sure they're still there. Learn how to use Google.


So where is their "proof" if that's what's required? Where's yours?

Post the links..

 

[Unknown]

I referenced two a few weeks ago but you simply ignored them.

 

[Unknown]

That is precisely the ranting and raving you provide in an attempt to
get people to believe your nonsense on registry cleaners.

 

[Bill Ridgeway]

I'm getting tired of this! I asked a question to which several people have
responded and then the whole thing descends into a quagmire of some people
trying to undermine the integrity of others and those people defending
themselves. And this is not the first timer this has happened. How am I
(or anyone else) supposed to treat any response as worth anything at all?
(rhetorical)

Bill Ridgeway

 

[Leonard Grey]

Welcome to newsgroups! ;-)

 

[Unknown]

Simple! Just install and use all registry cleaners.

 

[MtShasta]

No, it's beign replaced with something they think is better. But neither
work well anyway unfortunately.

 

[Jose]

I'm getting tired of this!  I asked a question to which several people have
responded and then the whole thing descends into a quagmire of some people
trying to undermine the integrity of others and those people defending
themselves.  And this is not the first timer this has happened.  How am I
(or anyone else) supposed to treat any response as worth anything at all?
(rhetorical)

Bill Ridgeway

It is one of the "can of worms" questions.

It is almost as much fun as asking if you should use defragment your
disk which defragmentation tool is the best.

It will go on for days and days and then peter out on it's own until
it comes up again!

The thing to do is read the responses over a relatively short period
of time - about 8 hours oughta do it.

Chances are you will come away with some good information, but little
satisfaction.

Ponder the various ideas, formulate a strategy that makes sense to
you, make a decision and then get the hell out before the fracas
begins.

What are some of the other questions like that...

 

[Gordon]

Ken Blake wrote (in response to another thread) -
<<Registry cleaning programs are *all* snake oil.

Makes me laugh all this - the obvious answer is to run an OS that
doesn't USE a "registry".......

 

[Unknown]

Name one. Perhaps there is an OS that calls its registry by some other name.