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[chicagofan]

Been using Opera.
I really like having the browser and eMail in one place.
Now Opera newsgroup seems to be disconnected.
Opera has some problems.
Try to indent by putting a few spaces in front of a line of test.
Opera removes them upon sending.
Span deletion does not work. It deletes permanently only in the
Opera window. When I restart, all the spam shows up again.

I tried Thunderbird and it is very slow.
Thunderbird programmers do not seem to know how to code to release for
user actions. It locks itself up until it finishes what it wants to do.
Not good programming. I cannot seem to stop what is happening or do
other simple tasks until TBird finishes.

Seamonkey keeps forgetting my passwords.
It says use Password Manager to remember. What does Password Manager
belong to (part of Seamonkey or what???)?

SM's Password Manager retains the passwords that you enter at various
web sites after you visit them once, and select the option to save when
it appears.

Should I not fix the Seamonkey eMail account Settings?
I cannot find the password input place in Settings. Other eMailers
have it there. What am I missing?

It's been so long since I've set up my SM program I'm afraid I'll just
confuse you. If you select Help from the menu you will find a directory
that should answer most of your questions. Or you can click "Edit" -
Mail and Newsgroup Account Settings, and/or Preferences and see what is
intuitive, and what's not, just ask here or in the SeaMonkey newsgroup
you have been referred to.

I think it's worth the trouble.

What is the difference between Seamonkey and Thunderbird?

Not sure since they've gone into rapid update mode. There didn't
used to be much difference, except T-bird is standalone, no browser.

So what free eMail apps are any good?
Would be nice if it had newsgroups too but that is not mandatory.

SM has newsgroups that work fine.
bj

 

[BillW50]

BillW50 has written on 2/16/2014 7:38 AM:
I tried Thunderbird and it is very slow.


What indexes?

I have a Win 7 Ultimate desktop with an Intel i5-2320 CPU at 3.00GHz and
8GB of memory. I have many accounts set up in TB, some POP3, some IMAP,
and I'm one of those who do not see TB locking up the computer.

Sometimes TB and other programs present (Not Responding) in the title
bar but whatever causes that does not prevent me from using other programs.

Nice machine! I wonder how well it compares to my Alienware machines?
And I have 30+ machines here and the more CPU power a machine has, the
less noticeable TB slowness is (those Atom processors is the worst, but
then they only use 3 to 5 watts of power).

I also mostly use the portable versions of TB. As it makes it really
easy to sync between machines. This might have something to do with it.
The only shortcoming I know of is forget importing, since TB portable
doesn't see anything outside it its folder. And one of the tips I read
about TB portable running on a flash drive (I don't, except on some
machines equipped with SSD), said to disable IMAP indexing (to prevent
excessive writing). Since TB is almost constantly updating the IMAP
indexing.

The slowness for the most part I can put up with. As it freezes at least
once a minute I would say. Depending on the processor, it could last for
a split second to 10 seconds or so. And while replying, it could drop
some of the keys. So I copying and paste to another editor and that
works just fine.

I also run Process Lasso on most of my machines. It is kind of a better
Task Manager, but its real benefit is that it drops the priority of
tasks that is eating up a lot of processor power. Which makes the
offending task even much slower. Once the process is less intensive, it
returns the priority back to what it was.

Most of my computer use, nothing normally trips it to switch the
priority of anything. Except flash with a browser and Thunderbird. You
could exclude a given process if you don't want Process Lasso to change
it. So I normally exempt games and media players. Neither would be very
useful to slow them down anyway.

It is also so easy to shutdown Process Lasso completely if you want to.
But even still, Thunderbird is still slow at times. Whether Lasso is
running or not, it is replying that annoys me the most. As I end up with
dropped keys. I suppose I could always type slower. ;-)

 

[Juan Wei]

OldGuy has written on 2/16/2014 1:28 PM:

Win 7 Pro all updates
TB latest version

PC = Intel Quad 3GHz 8GRAM, 500MB free C:

It is because I have so many eMails with 150K attachements that are
downloading.

How many of these do you get each day?

TB programmers need to release more code time to the system (allowing
TB to multitask) during such downloads. Maybe TB only uses a few
threads??

Did you file a request?

 

[Paladin]

SNIP

Nice machine! I wonder how well it compares to my Alienware machines?
And I have 30+ machines here and the more CPU power a machine has, the
less noticeable TB slowness is (those Atom processors is the worst, but
then they only use 3 to 5 watts of power).

SNIP

You should updte your sig...

Bill
Gateway M465e ('06 era) - Thunderbird v24.3.0
Centrino Core2 Duo T5600 1.83GHz - 4GB - Windows XP SP

...as your sig shows non alienware performers
As alienware is now dell, alienware lost it's umph anyway.
Dell gimps their hardware.

Unless they stopped gimping everything?
Maybe they got better.

Gamers I know build their own.

 

[Paul]

Win 7 Pro all updates
TB latest version

PC = Intel Quad 3GHz 8GRAM, 500MB free C:

It is because I have so many eMails with 150K attachements that are
downloading.

TB programmers need to release more code time to the system (allowing TB
to multitask) during such downloads. Maybe TB only uses a few threads??

It's the kind of tool, where some user tuning may be
required. The server has a maximum number of connections,
and the client can be set to use less than that. And if you
set the connections low enough, a more efficient serialization
may occur for you. The latest TB versions are too asynchronous,
and shoot themselves in the foot.

These can be found in the Configuration Editor. In Firefox,
this would be about:config, but in Thunderbird, there is a
button to click to open the Editor. This is like a Registry,
but uses a separate file.

mail.server.server2.max_cached_connections 2
mail.server.server4.max_cached_connections 2
mail.imap.max_cached_connections 10 <--- Not used by me

mail.server.server2.hostname nntp.aioe.org
mail.server.server4.hostname news.eternal-september.org

# Tuning parameters not present in old versions.
# idle_limit set to 300000 by default. Presumably 5 minutes,
# but who can be sure. This means if the .msf isn't used
# for five minutes, it'll be closed, and a future attempt
# to use it will open it again. It means TB will be as slow
# as it is at startup, if this is set too low. In older
# versions, the unused databases would remain open, and
# memory usage could be high. This might be a more useful
# tuning, if you have an add-on that abuses databases.

mail.db.idle_limit
mail.db.max_open

Paul

 

[Paul]

This is what I've been arguing a week or two ago. Thunderbird is
terrible in terms of resource usage as is Firefox. With an i5 and
higher, I assume that there is no problem. However, there shouldn't be a
problem with an i3 like what is on my laptop. The fact that it's so
sluggish says a lot about the quality of programmers working on the project.

Use the Configuration Editor.

Paul

 

[Juan Wei]

Paul has written on 2/16/2014 3:18 PM:

It's the kind of tool, where some user tuning may be
required. The server has a maximum number of connections,
and the client can be set to use less than that. And if you
set the connections low enough, a more efficient serialization
may occur for you. The latest TB versions are too asynchronous,
and shoot themselves in the foot.

These can be found in the Configuration Editor. In Firefox,
this would be about:config, but in Thunderbird, there is a
button to click to open the Editor. This is like a Registry,
but uses a separate file.

mail.server.server2.max_cached_connections 2
mail.server.server4.max_cached_connections 2
mail.imap.max_cached_connections 10 <--- Not used by me

mail.server.server2.hostname nntp.aioe.org
mail.server.server4.hostname news.eternal-september.org

# Tuning parameters not present in old versions.
# idle_limit set to 300000 by default. Presumably 5 minutes,
# but who can be sure. This means if the .msf isn't used
# for five minutes, it'll be closed, and a future attempt
# to use it will open it again. It means TB will be as slow
# as it is at startup, if this is set too low. In older
# versions, the unused databases would remain open, and
# memory usage could be high. This might be a more useful
# tuning, if you have an add-on that abuses databases.

mail.db.idle_limit
mail.db.max_open

Paul

What settings do you recommend?

 

[s|b]

These can be found in the Configuration Editor. In Firefox,
this would be about:config, but in Thunderbird, there is a
button to click to open the Editor.

Options > Options > Advanced > General > Config Editor

 

[BillW50]

SNIP


SNIP

You should updte your sig...

Bill
Gateway M465e ('06 era) - Thunderbird v24.3.0
Centrino Core2 Duo T5600 1.83GHz - 4GB - Windows XP SP

..as your sig shows non alienware performers
As alienware is now dell, alienware lost it's umph anyway.
Dell gimps their hardware.

Unless they stopped gimping everything?
Maybe they got better.

Gamers I know build their own.

Yes some people list all of their machines in their sigs. Although I
have 30+ machines, so my sigs would be super long. So my sig only
changes depending on which machine I am currently on. It also helps me
if one machine isn't posting correctly. As I can see instantly which
machine I posted it on.

Yes I know Dell owns Alienware, although Dell as far as I can tell, lets
them do what they have been doing. And yes, Dell and some other major
players also make superb game machines too. But they also have non-game
machines too. Alienware only makes game machines and that is all.

Yes, most desktop games roll their own machines. Nothing wrong with that
at all. Except it makes the machine very unique and could cause lots of
compatibility problems that one must iron out. But that is part of the
fun, isn't it?

My first laptop I purchased back in '84. I really liked laptops for
portability. Although desktops were always more powerful, so I had those
too. Although I retired my last desktop in about '05 and I only run
laptops and tablets now. And almost nobody has a gaming laptop except
Alienware. Okay some, but not many. And okay, Alienware laptops which
they call them as desktop replacements doesn't get much battery life or
anything. But they are indeed portable.

Build your own laptop game machine? Yes you can indeed. Far tougher than
building a desktop game machine, but it still could be done. So I rather
buy one which already did all of the R&D. ;-)

 

[s|b]

Win 7 Pro all updates

Then why are you crossposting this to an XP and W8 newsgroup?

PC = Intel Quad 3GHz 8GRAM, 500MB free C:

You only have 500 MiB of free space on your C: drive? (?) I found this
through a quick search:

| A stand-alone installation of Windows 7 SP1 requires 1.8 GB of free
| space (for 32-bit (x86)) and 3.3 GB (64-bit (x64)). Customers that will
| deploy Windows 7 SP1 through Windows Update (WU) will need 1.5 GB of
| free disk space for the 32-bit (x86) version of the upgrade and 2.6 GB
| for 64-bit (x64).

 

[BillW50]

This is what I've been arguing a week or two ago. Thunderbird is
terrible in terms of resource usage as is Firefox. With an i5 and
higher, I assume that there is no problem. However, there shouldn't be a
problem with an i3 like what is on my laptop. The fact that it's so
sluggish says a lot about the quality of programmers working on the project.

Yes Thunderbird has always been this way. I suspect TB uses very little
threads which makes things worse. Later versions seem to have made
things even worse. As I used TB since v1.5 and that one was much better.
Each version later it just gets slower and slower.

 

[Paul]

Paul has written on 2/16/2014 3:18 PM:

What settings do you recommend?

I recommend having a look in there, just to
satisfy your own curiosity.

Try a value of 1 for example, for max_cached_connections,
and see how it behaves. Then try 2. Rinse and repeat.

Paul

 

[Paladin]

On 2/16/2014 2:16 PM, Paladin wrote:> On 2014-02-16, BillW50
SNIP

Yes some people list all of their machines in their sigs. Although I
have 30+ machines, so my sigs would be super long. So my sig only
changes depending on which machine I am currently on. It also helps me
if one machine isn't posting correctly. As I can see instantly which
machine I posted it on.

Yes I know Dell owns Alienware, although Dell as far as I can tell, lets
them do what they have been doing. And yes, Dell and some other major
players also make superb game machines too. But they also have non-game
machines too. Alienware only makes game machines and that is all.

Yes, most desktop games roll their own machines. Nothing wrong with that
at all. Except it makes the machine very unique and could cause lots of
compatibility problems that one must iron out. But that is part of the
fun, isn't it?

My first laptop I purchased back in '84. I really liked laptops for
portability. Although desktops were always more powerful, so I had those
too. Although I retired my last desktop in about '05 and I only run
laptops and tablets now. And almost nobody has a gaming laptop except
Alienware. Okay some, but not many. And okay, Alienware laptops which
they call them as desktop replacements doesn't get much battery life or
anything. But they are indeed portable.

Build your own laptop game machine? Yes you can indeed. Far tougher than
building a desktop game machine, but it still could be done. So I rather
buy one which already did all of the R&D. ;-)

I have no doubt you know what you are doing.
I was just pulling your leg
I've never had a gaming laptop, as throwing them is to easy.

 

[OldGuy]

OldGuy formulated the question :

Win 7 Pro all updates
TB latest version

PC = Intel Quad 3GHz 8GRAM, 500MB free C:

It is because I have so many eMails with 150K attachements that are
downloading.

TB programmers need to release more code time to the system (allowing TB to
multitask) during such downloads. Maybe TB only uses a few threads??

--- news://freenews.netfront.net/ - complaints: (e-mail address removed) ---

Oops 500GB Disk free.

 

[OldGuy]

s|b presented the following explanation :

On Sun, 16 Feb 2014 10:28:52 -0800, OldGuy wrote:

Then why are you crossposting this to an XP and W8 newsgroup?

You only have 500 MiB of free space on your C: drive? (?) I found this
through a quick search:

Because I want to use a common app on my Win XP, Win 7 and my Win 8.1
installations!

 

[OldGuy]

Juan Wei was thinking very hard :

OldGuy has written on 2/16/2014 1:28 PM:
How many of these do you get each day?

Did you file a request?

Approx one every two minutes.

 

[Juan Wei]

OldGuy has written on 2/16/2014 4:40 PM:

Juan Wei was thinking very hard :

Approx one every two minutes.

To where?

 

[Silver Slimer]

I have no doubt you know what you are doing.
I was just pulling your leg
I've never had a gaming laptop, as throwing them is to easy.

Building a gaming laptop is a bad idea. I've been looking around at them
for a while since my current laptop is aging but I can't help but notice
that only the very best laptop GPU gets the same performance as my
desktop's GTX 660 Ti. You need a GTX 780M to get much of the same
performance as the 660 Ti but a laptop with that chip will cost you
about $1,800, minimum.

Keep gaming on the desktop.

 

[Adam Kubias]

OldGuy formulated the question :

Oops 500GB Disk free.

I have an even better computer. i7-4770 @3.40 GHz with 32 GB RAM.

Thunderbird is slow as hell, at least 5 times a day it totally freezes.

 

[Juan Wei]

Adam Kubias has written on 2/18/2014 5:33 PM:

I have an even better computer. i7-4770 @3.40 GHz with 32 GB RAM.

Thunderbird is slow as hell, at least 5 times a day it totally freezes.

I have a worse one: i5-2320 @ 3.00GHz with 8.00 GB RAM and I rarely see
"Not Responding"!