Quiet, cheap case...besides Sonata

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Mitchua

I'm looking for a nice quiet case for a new quiet system I'm building. I've
read through silentpcreview.com and all the cases they recommend are
expensive ($200+) like the Lian Li PC-6070 or have a loud PSU like the Antec
Sonata. Has anyone encoutered a sub-$120 case that has good construction,
sound-proofing, and comes with features like a quiet PSU or 120mm case fans?
A front-door would be best since my DVD-ROM is as loud as a jet taking off.

Thanks a lot,
Mitchua
 
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Alan W. Blackmon

Are you wanting to build an AMD or Intel system? I have been building AMD
for several years and this last weekend built a P4 system. Wow, the system
temps were lower and the noise so much lower.

Alan in Boise
 
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Mitchua

I know what you mean. I'm trying to escape a 1800+ right now on an Asus
board that runs pretty hot (at least 49Celcius). A friend told me that the
P4's run a lot cooler, and hence, don't need the huge noisy heatsinks/fans.
Actually, I saw a P4 running with an undervolted stock heatsink/fan quite
comfortably. However, checking out temperature readings online, they still
seem to run above 40Celcius. That's why I thought for the extra $100 that a
P4 would cost me, I might as well buy a nice case and a Zalman 7000CU quiet
heatsink or something. Make sense?

--Jonathan
 
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Thunder9

I'm looking for a nice quiet case for a new quiet system I'm building. I've
read through silentpcreview.com and all the cases they recommend are
expensive ($200+) like the Lian Li PC-6070 or have a loud PSU like the Antec
Sonata. Has anyone encoutered a sub-$120 case that has good construction,
sound-proofing, and comes with features like a quiet PSU or 120mm case fans?
A front-door would be best since my DVD-ROM is as loud as a jet taking off.

Thanks a lot,
Mitchua

Wow that's an awesome site - thanks for just asking the question now I
have some reading to do. Are you considering getting a full tower
case? My understanding is they are better for cooling.
 
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kony

I know what you mean. I'm trying to escape a 1800+ right now on an Asus
board that runs pretty hot (at least 49Celcius). A friend told me that the
P4's run a lot cooler, and hence, don't need the huge noisy heatsinks/fans.
Actually, I saw a P4 running with an undervolted stock heatsink/fan quite
comfortably. However, checking out temperature readings online, they still
seem to run above 40Celcius. That's why I thought for the extra $100 that a
P4 would cost me, I might as well buy a nice case and a Zalman 7000CU quiet
heatsink or something. Make sense?

A P4 may idle at lower temp but a properly designed system will have
enough cooling for the CPU's full-load state. Through careful
selection of thermally-controlled fans the P4 system can be quiter at
low-load, but if the system is hardly ever running near full-load, the
better solution might be a slower CPU (even within same family of CPU)
and reducing the CPU core voltage if possible. Manufacturers spec the
default cpu voltage to cover a range of speeds and yields to make
implentation easier for motherbaord manufacturers, but the particular
specimen of CPU dictates the actual voltage needed to retain stability
at a given frequency of operation. Given the willness to test the
stability and a motherboard with CPU core voltage options (or modding
the CPU and/or board to accomplish same end result), heat ouput can be
reduced by only using enough voltage to keep the CPU stable, but of
course the closer you come to the bare minimum voltage, the more
extensive (and lengthly) the stability testing process must be.

When considering prices, first budget for a well-designed case and
optimal 3rd party fans for that case, or have a willingness to mod a
less-optimal case. Then budget for a good aftermarket heatsink (and
3rd party fan if 'sink doesn't come with EXACTLY what you want).
These items make the most difference, would allow use of either (P4 or
Athlon) without cooling issues, at relatively low-to-quiet noise
levels except in the most extreme of conditions. Always provide
adequate case & heatsink for the system to be running 24/7 at full
load. If they system hardly ever runs at full load then careful
selection of thermally-throttled fans (or add-on fan controller) might
be worthwhile, and/or reduce CPU speed and core voltage as
forementioned.

49C isn't all that hot for a CPU, they are designed to operate fine at
this temp given a stable motherboard (power). More significant might
be the other components subject to lifespan reduction at higher temps,
like hard drives, motherboard power regulation circuits (capacitors).



Dave
 
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Mitchua

Thunder9 said:
Wow that's an awesome site - thanks for just asking the question now I
have some reading to do. Are you considering getting a full tower
case? My understanding is they are better for cooling.
I'm not sure if that's necessarily true. The main thing for cooling is
getting a stream of cool air from the bottom-front of the case to the
top-back going across the motherboard over the CPU. That's why cases with
vents in the side, etc. (like the one I have now) are bullshit. All they do
is leave more holes for noise to travel out of.

I've seen a lot of full towers that would require at least 2 120mm fans to
exhaust all the air in them :) I'm looking for a mid-tower.

--Mitchua
 
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John

I've seen a lot of full towers that would require at least 2 120mm fans to
exhaust all the air in them :) I'm looking for a mid-tower.

--Mitchua

I think the main issue there is , its true you probably need more fans
to push the air through the tower possibly the big factor are barriers
to airflow. If you dont have anything - only one HD and one CD drive
maybe you wont have problems but in my cases theres a horrendous nest
of cords especailly the huge huge IDE flat cords everywhere , bundles
of power cords that really are crammed to the hilt in the case. A full
tower is way better . Also you get the problem the other poster
described having drives crammed on top of another. All big problems.
Obviously you can go to round IDE cables etc. The Sata cables too are
amazingly small - another good thing about them. Unfortunately I dont
have SATA drives and dont want to shell out the $60 for adaptors to my
sata controller. It would still be a pretty big mess in there though.

My mid tower ANTEC I bought is wider though , depsite its relatively
short size - smaller than my older style Enlight beige case. So maybe
that does provide better air flow despite the small size I dont know
since width is critical too when you have that many cables crammed in
there.

As for noise - anything heavy duty is going to dampen noise and
damping material may dampen some vibrations/resonances that may occur.
When building speaker boxes you get stuff thats dense - heavy like
concrete or sand filled walls are the best for low frequencies and
they put bracing in there. And damping material may help to.

What I noticed was my older cases are built with heavy duty steel -
the covers and frame. Very heavy. The new ones like the new Antec I
bought feels incredibly lightweight and thats because the cover etc is
made from thin thin metal. In fact I hate it. I like the fact it less
heavy. You get a hernia lifting the KT133a system I made with lots of
drives in it. But the covers on the new cases dent like crazy.

Be warned - those new snazzily painted cases - metallic bronze etc ,
the lightweight steel ones dent like crazy and the paint chips off
easily. And its hard to match the paint. It looks pretty awful in no
time if you arent careful. In fact I got one from the store (bought
two) that was PRE DENTED. THe top looked like a fatman at the circus
sat on it. But actually you dont have to heavy at all to dent these.
Youd be crazy to sit on one. Id think these would far noiser than the
old cases as long as you damped the old ones for possible resonances.
I dropped a pen on the top of my case and now there are two dents on
it and a chip.

The side venting issue. I really dont know about the low IN and high
OUT theory of cooling obviously there is some common sense there. But
whenever I poke new holes for new fans on the side etc or take my
cover off of all my PCs - the temps go way down. I suppose you could
create some hotspots if it isnt designed right or your cables divert
air in some weird way - cool in low and then out the side vents never
reaching the high out.

I even experimented with the second out hole right below the power
supply that many newer cases have. I put a fan IN and OUT.
Most say put it out - a second HIGH OUT fan but my temps are lower
when I put it facing IN.
 

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