Queries about LAN Connectivity and Wireless Network Connection Properties

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Enquiring Mind

Hi,

Can anyone help with the following questions:

1. When the LAN icon in the system tray gives the message "Little or no
connectivity", does this just mean that the LAN is not set up to have a
shared Internet connection, but is otherwise alright for other network
tasks, for example file and printer sharing?

2. In the "Wireless Networks" page of the "Wireless Network Connection
Properties" form (brought up by clicking Properties in the pop-up menu for
the Wireless Network icon in the Network Connections window), what is the
effect of the order of "preferred networks"? Does it mean that if several
wireless networks are available, the computer will connect to the first
network in the list that is available, and only that one? Or does it mean
that it will connect to all networks in the list that are available in the
order in which they appear in the list?

3. In the "General" page of the "Wireless Networks Connection Properties"
form, if the items "Client for Microsoft Networks" and "File and Printer
Sharing for Microsoft Networks" are unchecked, but "File and Printer
Sharing" is checked in the "Exceptions" page of the "Windows Firewall"
dialog box, will shared files in the computer be accessible to the internet
or not?

Many thanks for any clarifications.

Enquiring Mind
 
R

Robert L [MVP - Networking]

This search result may help,

Troubleshooting limited or no connectivity"This connection has limited or no connectivity. " "You might not be able to access the Internet or some network resources" ...
http://www.chicagotech.net/troubleshooting/noconnectivity.htm


Bob Lin, MS-MVP, MCSE & CNE
Networking, Internet, Routing, VPN Troubleshooting on http://www.ChicagoTech.net
How to Setup Windows, Network, VPN & Remote Access on http://www.HowToNetworking.com
Hi,

Can anyone help with the following questions:

1. When the LAN icon in the system tray gives the message "Little or no
connectivity", does this just mean that the LAN is not set up to have a
shared Internet connection, but is otherwise alright for other network
tasks, for example file and printer sharing?

2. In the "Wireless Networks" page of the "Wireless Network Connection
Properties" form (brought up by clicking Properties in the pop-up menu for
the Wireless Network icon in the Network Connections window), what is the
effect of the order of "preferred networks"? Does it mean that if several
wireless networks are available, the computer will connect to the first
network in the list that is available, and only that one? Or does it mean
that it will connect to all networks in the list that are available in the
order in which they appear in the list?

3. In the "General" page of the "Wireless Networks Connection Properties"
form, if the items "Client for Microsoft Networks" and "File and Printer
Sharing for Microsoft Networks" are unchecked, but "File and Printer
Sharing" is checked in the "Exceptions" page of the "Windows Firewall"
dialog box, will shared files in the computer be accessible to the internet
or not?

Many thanks for any clarifications.

Enquiring Mind
 
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Lem

Enquiring said:
Hi,

Can anyone help with the following questions:

1. When the LAN icon in the system tray gives the message "Little or no
connectivity", does this just mean that the LAN is not set up to have a
shared Internet connection, but is otherwise alright for other network
tasks, for example file and printer sharing?

2. In the "Wireless Networks" page of the "Wireless Network Connection
Properties" form (brought up by clicking Properties in the pop-up menu for
the Wireless Network icon in the Network Connections window), what is the
effect of the order of "preferred networks"? Does it mean that if several
wireless networks are available, the computer will connect to the first
network in the list that is available, and only that one? Or does it mean
that it will connect to all networks in the list that are available in the
order in which they appear in the list?

3. In the "General" page of the "Wireless Networks Connection Properties"
form, if the items "Client for Microsoft Networks" and "File and Printer
Sharing for Microsoft Networks" are unchecked, but "File and Printer
Sharing" is checked in the "Exceptions" page of the "Windows Firewall"
dialog box, will shared files in the computer be accessible to the internet
or not?

Many thanks for any clarifications.

Enquiring Mind
For #2:
In general, you will connect to the network that is at the top of the
list (assuming that you have checked "connect when this network is in
range" see
http://screenshots.modemhelp.net/sc...Wireless_Networks/Properties/Connection.shtml)
and you only connect to one network at a time.

Lots of other things can happen, including changing the connection from
a less-preferred network to a more-preferred network that becomes
available. For more info, see
http://www.microsoft.com/technet/community/columns/cableguy/cg1102.mspx
 
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Enquiring Mind

This search result may help,

Troubleshooting limited or no connectivity "This connection has limited or
no connectivity. " "You might not be able to access the Internet or some
network resources" ...
http://www.chicagotech.net/troubleshooting/noconnectivity.htm



Thanks for the links. Based on the information therein, I suppose the cause
of "Limited or no connectivity" warning could be some problem with the DHCP
server or PPPoE assignments. The problem arises with a wired LAN of just 2
computers that I recently set up without enabling Internet Connection
Sharing on either computer. I understand that Windows XP only provides a
DHCP server on the computer set up to share its internet connection. Both
computers have a dial-up modem, an Ethernet LAN interface, and a Wireless
Network adapter. I do not wish to have the dial-up internet connection
shared - hence I set the internet connection option for both computers to
"This computer connects to the Internet through a residential gateway or
through another computer on my network". There is also a wireless broadband
router in the vicinity.

Executing ipconfig /all on computer 'A' indicates that that DHCP is enabled
for the wired and wireless ethernet adapters. Moreover in the case of the
wireless adapter the IP address 192.168.1.1 is given for "Default gateway",
"DHCP Server", "DNS servers", while 192.168.1.2 is the adapter's IP address.
Executing ipconfig /all on computer 'B' gives the same IP address for the
DHCP server under the wireless adapter, and 192.168.1.3 for the wireless
adapter's IP address. I do not understand which device hosts the DHCP
server, given that both wireless adapters give the same address. Can anyone
explain the meaning of these settings?

In spite of the warning, the printer and file sharing works over the wired
network, and both computers can access the internet through the wireless
router. I could therefore remove the warning icon by unchecking the "Notify
me when this connection has limited or no connectivity" check box in the
Wireless Network Connection Properties dialog box. However I would prefer to
solve the problem at source by eliminating any underlying errors in the
network configuration are removed. Should I have I set the internet
connection option for both computers to "This computer connects directly to
the internet. The other computers on my network connect to the Internet
through this computer", and later disabled Internet Connection Sharing?

Thanks for any guidance.

Enquiring Mind
 
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Enquiring Mind

Lem said:
For #2:
In general, you will connect to the network that is at the top of the list
(assuming that you have checked "connect when this network is in range"
see
http://screenshots.modemhelp.net/sc...Wireless_Networks/Properties/Connection.shtml)
and you only connect to one network at a time.

Lots of other things can happen, including changing the connection from a
less-preferred network to a more-preferred network that becomes available.
For more info, see
http://www.microsoft.com/technet/community/columns/cableguy/cg1102.mspx
Many thanks. The links were very useful.

Enquiring Mind
 
L

Lem

Enquiring said:
This search result may help,

Troubleshooting limited or no connectivity "This connection has limited or
no connectivity. " "You might not be able to access the Internet or some
network resources" ...
http://www.chicagotech.net/troubleshooting/noconnectivity.htm



Thanks for the links. Based on the information therein, I suppose the cause
of "Limited or no connectivity" warning could be some problem with the DHCP
server or PPPoE assignments. The problem arises with a wired LAN of just 2
computers that I recently set up without enabling Internet Connection
Sharing on either computer. I understand that Windows XP only provides a
DHCP server on the computer set up to share its internet connection. Both
computers have a dial-up modem, an Ethernet LAN interface, and a Wireless
Network adapter. I do not wish to have the dial-up internet connection
shared - hence I set the internet connection option for both computers to
"This computer connects to the Internet through a residential gateway or
through another computer on my network". There is also a wireless broadband
router in the vicinity.

Executing ipconfig /all on computer 'A' indicates that that DHCP is enabled
for the wired and wireless ethernet adapters. Moreover in the case of the
wireless adapter the IP address 192.168.1.1 is given for "Default gateway",
"DHCP Server", "DNS servers", while 192.168.1.2 is the adapter's IP address.
Executing ipconfig /all on computer 'B' gives the same IP address for the
DHCP server under the wireless adapter, and 192.168.1.3 for the wireless
adapter's IP address. I do not understand which device hosts the DHCP
server, given that both wireless adapters give the same address. Can anyone
explain the meaning of these settings?

In spite of the warning, the printer and file sharing works over the wired
network, and both computers can access the internet through the wireless
router. I could therefore remove the warning icon by unchecking the "Notify
me when this connection has limited or no connectivity" check box in the
Wireless Network Connection Properties dialog box. However I would prefer to
solve the problem at source by eliminating any underlying errors in the
network configuration are removed. Should I have I set the internet
connection option for both computers to "This computer connects directly to
the internet. The other computers on my network connect to the Internet
through this computer", and later disabled Internet Connection Sharing?

Thanks for any guidance.

Enquiring Mind
First, your understanding that "Windows XP only provides a DHCP server
on the computer set up to share its internet connection" is correct.

It appears as though you have set up two separate networks. Assuming
that the "wireless broadband router in the vicinity" is yours, you don't
need to do this, and doing so may be causing problems. If the wireless
router is not yours, you should be aware that the owner of the router
has access to your Internet activity, and that the owner and probably
anyone else connected to the router will have access to your hard drive
unless you take adequate precautions. You also should probably not use
someone else's router for Internet access unless you have permission to
do so.

The router -- which actually is a computer also, probably running Linux
or some other non-Windows OS -- has two IP addresses. One, exposed to
the Internet, is assigned by the ISP. You can see this while browsing
the Internet by going to a site such as http://whatismyipaddress.com/

The other is the router's IP address on the LAN, and in your case is
192.168.1.1. That is, the router is the "default gateway" that is shown
for your wireless adapters when you do ipconfig. Typically, the router
also is shown as the DNS Server, although you can manually substitute
the actual DNS servers available to you from your ISP (you can find
these in the router's web-based configuration status page). The router
also has the DHCP server and hands out (internal LAN) IP addresses in
the same subnet as its own LAN address. In this case, the router hands
out IP addresses in the range 192.168.1.2 - 192.168.1.255. (Often, the
router will start handing out IP addresses starting at 192.168.1.100, in
order to leave address 2-99 available for devices that can have static
IP addresses, such as print servers, NAS devices, and the like).

What most people with wireless routers (and a mix of wireless and
non-wireless computers) do is:

1. connect the WAN input of the wireless router to the Internet
connection (i.e., to the cable or DSL modem)
2. connect the non-wireless computers to the (usually 4) LAN ports on
the router
3. configure the wireless network to permit the wireless devices to
communicate with the router.
4. configure the network to allow resource sharing

After this, all of the computers are on one LAN, all will have IP
addresses in the same subnet (e.g., 192.168.1.xxx, where xxx is 2-255),
and all will both have access to the Internet and be able to share
resources.

You seem to have done something differently. How are the two computers
wired together? A cross-over cable? When you ran ipconfig /all, you
should have seen an IP address etc., for the non-wireless NIC as well as
for the wireless adapters; what are they?

Note that, as near as I can determine from your description, you should
NOT set "This computer connects directly to the Internet. The other
computers on my network connect to the Internet through this computer"
on any of the computers, and you should NOT enable ICS on any computer.
 
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Enquiring Mind

Thanks for the detailed guidance. Below is some further information as
requested.
You seem to have done something differently. How are the two computers
wired together? A cross-over cable? When you ran ipconfig /all, you
should have seen an IP address etc., for the non-wireless NIC as well as
for the wireless adapters; what are they?
That's right, the two computers are connected by a cross-over cable. When I
run ipconfig, the IP addresses for the cable Ethernet connections are output
as:
-Computer A: 169.254.71.04 subnet mask 255.255.0.0
-Computer B: 169.254.246.137subnet mask 255.255.0.0
This seems to confirm your suggestion that there are two networks:
1) a wired LAN network without a DHCP server and with file sharing
2) a wireless network having a DHCP server on the router and no file
sharing.

Could this arrangement afford some security benefits over a single network
comprising the router as network node or as a shared internet connection? To
enable computers in the network to share files and printers, I would need to
enable File Sharing in the firewalls in each computer, but I do not wish
this permission to extend to the Internet connection. How is this set up?

When I run arp -a, I obtain an empty list. Should I not be getting a list
indicating physical addresses and IP addresses of all network adapters?

Would either of the following options also work:
1) In computer A bridge the wired LAN network (network 1) and the wireless
LAN network (network 2). This would introduce a multiple path in the network
topology between computer B and the router, unless the wireless network 1 is
removed from computer B's preferred wireless networks list.
2) Configure the wireless connection on computer A as a shared internet
connection (and again bridge the wireless and wired LAN adapters).

Thanks for any advice.

Enquiring Mind
 
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Paul Johnson

Enquiring said:
1. When the LAN icon in the system tray gives the message "Little or no
connectivity", does this just mean that the LAN is not set up to have a
shared Internet connection, but is otherwise alright for other network
tasks, for example file and printer sharing?

It means that you should be able to contact hosts on the same subnet,
barring strange network segmentation or sufficiently funky setup.
2. In the "Wireless Networks" page of the "Wireless Network Connection
Properties" form (brought up by clicking Properties in the pop-up menu for
the Wireless Network icon in the Network Connections window), what is the
effect of the order of "preferred networks"? Does it mean that if several
wireless networks are available, the computer will connect to the first
network in the list that is available, and only that one? Or does it mean
that it will connect to all networks in the list that are available in
the order in which they appear in the list?

The latter.
3. In the "General" page of the "Wireless Networks Connection Properties"
form, if the items "Client for Microsoft Networks" and "File and Printer
Sharing for Microsoft Networks" are unchecked, but "File and Printer
Sharing" is checked in the "Exceptions" page of the "Windows Firewall"
dialog box, will shared files in the computer be accessible to the
internet or not?

SMB shares do not extend past your broadcast domain regardless of Windows
Firewall settings.
 

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