Quake II, My graphics card, and a new error.....Please help....

[Solomon_Man]

Hi all,
I just recently built a new machine 3.6 GHZ, Gig and ram, and a Leadtek
WinFast PX6600 TD Graphics card. I ran out of money on the card so I
got one that I thought would do everything I need. I am developer so
mostly this card will be used in the development of software that is
not graphic intensive and mostly for business work.

I like to play Return to Castle Wolfenstein , Quake I, Quake II, Quake
III. So I am getting things finalized on the machine. I got Quake I and
II to work but could not get RTCW or Quake III to run. In the mean time
I purchased Halo and MS Office 20030 and installed both. I was reading
a document on the Microsoft website about Direct X and Halo and how my
card was not set to the highest accerleration in windows. I set my
accerleration up and tried my apps again. Quake I worked fine (GL
Support),Quake III worked Fine,Halo worked fine, Return to Castle
wolfenstein worked fine but when I tried Quake II it dies right after
the opening "ID" screen with a application error memory cannot be
written error. This is in the QuakeII.exe file. Now, I am curious what
would cause this as it ran before?

I have not played most of these games in about 2 years at least and I
trying to remember did Quake II come with a open GL version and non
Open Gl version? How should I try and fix this? Can I turn off Quake II
GL support?

I have turned off accerlation when trying to run Quake II no change. I
have the Latest Direct X drivers installed from Microsofts website
9.0c. Latest Service Pack for Windows and the 3.20 Quake II patch. I
have no mods as I am just installing. I have tried uninstalling and
reinstalling.

Is there anything else I can troubleshoot? Suggestions....Please
help...

Thanks,
Chris

 

[Jimmy S.]

Hi Solomon_Man,

You might try reinstalling Quake II in case it's installer is capable
of noticing the changes in the accelleration settings and setup the
initialisation or setup files for the game accordingly.

If that fails...

Here's how other Quake II players have succeeded:
http://www.ntcompatible.com/thread29629-1.html

Otherwise...

There is a Quake II .NET port project you can download:
http://www.codeproject.com/managedcpp/Quake2.asp


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Solomon_Man Wrote:
=================
| Hi all,
| I just recently built a new machine 3.6 GHZ, Gig and ram, and a Leadtek
| WinFast PX6600 TD Graphics card. I ran out of money on the card so I
| got one that I thought would do everything I need. I am developer so
| mostly this card will be used in the development of software that is
| not graphic intensive and mostly for business work.
|
| I like to play Return to Castle Wolfenstein , Quake I, Quake II, Quake
| III. So I am getting things finalized on the machine. I got Quake I and
| II to work but could not get RTCW or Quake III to run. In the mean time
| I purchased Halo and MS Office 20030 and installed both. I was reading
| a document on the Microsoft website about Direct X and Halo and how my
| card was not set to the highest accerleration in windows. I set my
| accerleration up and tried my apps again. Quake I worked fine (GL
| Support),Quake III worked Fine,Halo worked fine, Return to Castle
| wolfenstein worked fine but when I tried Quake II it dies right after
| the opening "ID" screen with a application error memory cannot be
| written error. This is in the QuakeII.exe file. Now, I am curious what
| would cause this as it ran before?
|
| I have not played most of these games in about 2 years at least and I
| trying to remember did Quake II come with a open GL version and non
| Open Gl version? How should I try and fix this? Can I turn off Quake II
| GL support?
|
| I have turned off accerlation when trying to run Quake II no change. I
| have the Latest Direct X drivers installed from Microsofts website
| 9.0c. Latest Service Pack for Windows and the 3.20 Quake II patch. I
| have no mods as I am just installing. I have tried uninstalling and
| reinstalling.
|
| Is there anything else I can troubleshoot? Suggestions....Please
| help...
|
| Thanks,
| Chris

 

[Solomon_Man]

Jimmy,
Thanks for the links on the .net stuff being a developer this is very
interesting to me.

Also its funny but both the native and the .net versions of the
executable run fine.

Thanks again for the help,
Chris

 

[Jimmy S.]

My pleasure Solomon_Man, always glad to offer assistance.

Cheers,
Jimmy.

Solomon_Man Wrote:
=================
| Jimmy,
| Thanks for the links on the .net stuff being a developer this is very
| interesting to me.
|
| Also its funny but both the native and the .net versions of the
| executable run fine.
|
| Thanks again for the help,
| Chris

 

[Joshua Smith [MSFT]]

Hi Soloman_Man,

I know this may be a little late, but perhaps Jimmy will see this and
add it to his stockpile of hints and tricks. The games you mention are
all OpenGL games, except Halo. The reason why the older Quake II and Quake
III games work is because there is a "shim" in Windows XP that allows these
games to run when there isn't an OpenGL ICD (hardware accelerated OpenGL
driver form the IHV) installed on the system. The ICD's usually come with
the regular graphics driver package so if you installed the current drivers
for your graphics card it is likely that card doesn't have an ICD included
in it. You can check in the Registry at
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows
NT\CurrentVersion\OpenGLDrivers and see if there are keys under that one. If
there are those are for ICD's so opengl32.dll can discover them during
initialization.

Hope that helps.

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[Jimmy S.]

Hi Joshua Smith [MSFT],

Nice to see you again!

Cheers,
Jimmy.

Joshua Smith [MSFT] Wrote:
=================
| Hi Soloman_Man,
|
| I know this may be a little late, but perhaps Jimmy will see this and
| add it to his stockpile of hints and tricks. The games you mention are
| all OpenGL games, except Halo. The reason why the older Quake II and Quake
| III games work is because there is a "shim" in Windows XP that allows these
| games to run when there isn't an OpenGL ICD (hardware accelerated OpenGL
| driver form the IHV) installed on the system. The ICD's usually come with
| the regular graphics driver package so if you installed the current drivers
| for your graphics card it is likely that card doesn't have an ICD included
| in it. You can check in the Registry at
| HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows
| NT\CurrentVersion\OpenGLDrivers and see if there are keys under that one. If
| there are those are for ICD's so opengl32.dll can discover them during
| initialization.
|
| Hope that helps.
|
|
| || Hi all,
|| I just recently built a new machine 3.6 GHZ, Gig and ram, and a Leadtek
|| WinFast PX6600 TD Graphics card. I ran out of money on the card so I
|| got one that I thought would do everything I need. I am developer so
|| mostly this card will be used in the development of software that is
|| not graphic intensive and mostly for business work.
||
|| I like to play Return to Castle Wolfenstein , Quake I, Quake II, Quake
|| III. So I am getting things finalized on the machine. I got Quake I and
|| II to work but could not get RTCW or Quake III to run. In the mean time
|| I purchased Halo and MS Office 20030 and installed both. I was reading
|| a document on the Microsoft website about Direct X and Halo and how my
|| card was not set to the highest accerleration in windows. I set my
|| accerleration up and tried my apps again. Quake I worked fine (GL
|| Support),Quake III worked Fine,Halo worked fine, Return to Castle
|| wolfenstein worked fine but when I tried Quake II it dies right after
|| the opening "ID" screen with a application error memory cannot be
|| written error. This is in the QuakeII.exe file. Now, I am curious what
|| would cause this as it ran before?
||
|| I have not played most of these games in about 2 years at least and I
|| trying to remember did Quake II come with a open GL version and non
|| Open Gl version? How should I try and fix this? Can I turn off Quake II
|| GL support?
||
|| I have turned off accerlation when trying to run Quake II no change. I
|| have the Latest Direct X drivers installed from Microsofts website
|| 9.0c. Latest Service Pack for Windows and the 3.20 Quake II patch. I
|| have no mods as I am just installing. I have tried uninstalling and
|| reinstalling.
||
|| Is there anything else I can troubleshoot? Suggestions....Please
|| help...
||
|| Thanks,
|| Chris

 

[Solomon_Man]

Joshua,
Thanks for the help, I will try and check it out tonight and see if
that is the issue.

Two Questions;

I assume IHV is Independent Hardware Vendor but what is ICD Acronym
stand for?

I am Microsoft alumni its nice to run into another person from
Microsoft. I worked for MS for about 6 years on the MBS Great Plains
Solomon Division before they shut down the Findlay Ohio Campus. I have
no regrets Microsoft was a very fun place to work.

Thanks for the help,
Chris
Solomon_Man

 

[Jimmy S.]

Hi Solomon_Man,

Good question. Although I'm not Joshua, this may shed some light.

An ICD driver (short for Installable Client Driver) is a complete OpenGL driver.

The other variant is MCD which only takes care of some parts of the OpenGL
pipeline, usually rasterization (i.e. drawing). The GLQuake mini-driver is
somewhere in between. - http://web.drzeus.cx/opengl/icd.html


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Solomon_Man Wrote:
=================
| Joshua,
| Thanks for the help, I will try and check it out tonight and see if
| that is the issue.
|
| Two Questions;
|
| I assume IHV is Independent Hardware Vendor but what is ICD Acronym
| stand for?
|
| I am Microsoft alumni its nice to run into another person from
| Microsoft. I worked for MS for about 6 years on the MBS Great Plains
| Solomon Division before they shut down the Findlay Ohio Campus. I have
| no regrets Microsoft was a very fun place to work.
|
| Thanks for the help,
| Chris
| Solomon_Man