PS3-X360 developer spills his experience: ATI Xenos GPU in X360 is superior to Nvidia RSX in PS3 for

[Unmutual]

Sony put all their focus into the cell processor, it may be "bleeding
edge", but how much better than the 360 is yet to be determined. The
first run games look no better than 360 titles. The processing power
alone is nothing without a quality real-time rendering engine to
utilize that power. It's up to Sony to meet that challenge and give
developers the tools to tap into the power of the PS3, so far it sounds
like they have not. That will be a challenge for them, because it takes
some really brilliant minds to push the envelope with 3D engine
technology and in order to do that the engineers must first fully
understand the hardware.

But In a recent interview one Playstation representative said
"developers will never fully tap the power of the PS3...", with that
comment I'm thinking. great, then you'll never need a PS4.

I was fairly astonished by that comment. He said it as if it was a good
thing where instead it essentially confirms the theory that the PS3 is a
bugger to program for. No point in having all that power if noone can
actually use it!

 

[Tom]

Also, if I'm reading the article right, it looks like it's only
Japanese sales that are being reported. Everybody knows sales in Japan
for the Wii and PS3, especially sales shortly after launch, are going
to be much higher than the 360.

Yes, that is correct, Branden posted an article regarding Japanese sales
only. I don't think he realized what the data demographics were. But, if the
PS3 got as many to the shelves before Xmas as reported, then they will have
out sold the 360 during its first two months by a very good figure. Now,
that isn't saying much because MS had big trouble producing them enough to
keep up for almost the first 4 months. Sony looks like it may be doing
better at getting the production up for the same period.

 

[Mr. Impressive]

Sammy Muttonhead "unimpressively" said:

Isn't this EXACTLY what has been repeatedly pointed out by various
devs?

And by various devs you mean Xbox devs or Multi devs like EA right?


Same thing happened last generation. I told all you dumbfucks that the
PS2 was more powerful than the Xbox in a few areas yet no one listened.
But companies like Konami and Criterion also pointed out exactly what I
said and they proved it with games. (MGS2 still doesn't run worth shit
on Xbox and GT4 not only still looks better than any racing game Xbox
will ever have, it's 60fps @ 1080i)

Now there is no way the PS2 could do many of the exclusive Xbox games.
They are using pixel shaders and high quailty textures for things like
normal mapping which requires a lot of gpu intensive math. I'm not
saying the PS2 is more powerful than the Xbox overall, I'm just saying
it iS more powerful in a few areas. It's framebuffer and fillrate not
to mention floating point math hardware helps out a bit too!


Please listen to me this time and don't make a fool of yourself again.

Both consoles will have strengths over the other. This time around the
Xbox360 has the framebuffer and possibly fillrate advantage, but it
lacks in just about every other area.

(As if the Xbox360 could pull off resistance or motorstorm... lol)

 

[Tom]

(As if the Xbox360 could pull off resistance or motorstorm... lol)

You may have some validity to what I snipped, but there are debates abound
that would counter you, it doesn't matter to me, I like what I like. But,
seeing your parenthesized remark, I am amiss why you think resistance is
anything that the 360 couldn't pull off? I saw the game played at a friend's
place, and it looked just slightly better than COD2 when it was the premier
launch title for the 360 release. The AI was crappy with enemies just
running at you while you are going through a fairly narrow path.

As far as graphics, GRAW, Oblivion, COD3, and especially GOW makes RFOM look
rather ordinary. Sad too, because that was supposed to be the killer app for
the PS3; it hardly looks killer and disappointing considering the hype
behind that game. Now what games will look like in the future for the PS3,
remains to be seen, but I am sure they will get real nice.

 

[Tomcat (Tom)]

(As if the Xbox360 could pull off resistance or motorstorm... lol)

Shouldn't you be commenting "as if the PS3 could pull off GOW"

 

[Dub]

Please listen to me this time and don't make a fool of yourself again.

You've said way too many dumb and uninformed things here on Usenet for
anyone to take you seriously.

 

[Jonah Falcon]

Yes, but price HAS. How much did the Neo*Geo cost again?

 

[Hank the Rapper]

Also, if I'm reading the article right, it looks like it's only
Japanese sales that are being reported. Everybody knows sales in
Japan for the Wii and PS3, especially sales shortly after launch, are
going to be much higher than the 360.

Yes, that's right. Japanese sales only.

 

[Paul Heslop]

Yes, but price HAS. How much did the Neo*Geo cost again?

wasn't my post... and that was a machine I could only wonder why
people would spend that kind of money

 

[spaceman]

Same thing happened last generation. I told all you dumbfucks that the
PS2 was more powerful than the Xbox in a few areas yet no one listened.
But companies like Konami and Criterion also pointed out exactly what I
said and they proved it with games. (MGS2 still doesn't run worth shit
on Xbox and GT4 not only still looks better than any racing game Xbox
will ever have, it's 60fps @ 1080i)

actually that's not true. no one has proven shit with that shitty hardware,
and the vast majority of xbox games look better than ps2 games and always
will. mgs doesn't run as smooth on the xbox because it wasn't optimized for
it. and no, gt4 doesn't look as good as forza. it's getting old having to
listen to you people cling to that notion, when i have both games and i'm
able to run them side by side in the same room on identical displays. also,
gt4's fake 1080i looks like shit, even compared to true 480p.

Now there is no way the PS2 could do many of the exclusive Xbox games.
They are using pixel shaders and high quailty textures for things like
normal mapping which requires a lot of gpu intensive math. I'm not
saying the PS2 is more powerful than the Xbox overall, I'm just saying
it iS more powerful in a few areas. It's framebuffer and fillrate not
to mention floating point math hardware helps out a bit too!

numbers aren't shit, and we all know how sony construes numbers. the games
are what are important, and the games clearly show the xbox being superior,
and that numbers don't mean shit.

Please listen to me this time and don't make a fool of yourself again.

Both consoles will have strengths over the other. This time around the
Xbox360 has the framebuffer and possibly fillrate advantage, but it
lacks in just about every other area.

(As if the Xbox360 could pull off resistance or motorstorm... lol)

you must be joking.... get over it. sony basically lost the hardware war
again. the 360 has proven so far that their games have more visual impact
whether it's textures, color depth or framerate, and every developer will
tell you that the hardware is all around much more balanced. for ****s sake
don't go another generation trying to hold onto something that isn't there.
just be happy that you have a ps3 and let us xbox owners have the
satisfaction of knowing our games will yet again be slightly better than
yours.

 

[AirRaid Mach 2.5]

Forza on Xbox1 looks better than GT4 because Forza runs at 30fps
whereas GT4 (and GT3) run at 60fps. i would take the 60fps racer over
the 30fps racer any day. that said, Forza2
on Xbox360 is running at 60fps. so it should compete nicely with GT: HD

 

[TheGame]

Aye, so thats why multiplatform games are superior on 360...

 

[Sammus McMouldenus]

Mr. Unmpressive bleated:

Sammy Muttonhead "accurately" said:


And by various devs you mean Xbox devs or Multi devs like EA right?

John Carmack, Mark Rein, neither of which are XBOX only devs.

Same thing happened last generation.

No it didn't.
I told all you dumbfucks that the

PS2 was more powerful than the Xbox in a few areas yet no one listened.

The PS2 was more powerful for floating point. That's about that.
Ypou have not proven a thing.

But companies like Konami and Criterion also pointed out exactly what I
said and they proved it with games.

No they havent. You just posted pre-rendered non-in game artwork to
prove a point and failed.

(MGS2 still doesn't run worth shit
on Xbox and GT4 not only still looks better than any racing game Xbox
will ever have, it's 60fps @ 1080i)

Not 1080i true, and lacks the level of detail in Forza.

Now there is no way the PS2 could do many of the exclusive Xbox games.
They are using pixel shaders and high quailty textures for things like
normal mapping which requires a lot of gpu intensive math. I'm not
saying the PS2 is more powerful than the Xbox overall, I'm just saying
it iS more powerful in a few areas. It's framebuffer and fillrate not
to mention floating point math hardware helps out a bit too!

So why do the games fail to look as impressive? Why is the best the PS2
can do so far behind what the best is on the XBOX? DING! You fail
AGAIN!

Please listen to me this time and don't make a fool of yourself again.

Ever heard of Peter and the Wolf?

Both consoles will have strengths over the other. This time around the
Xbox360 has the framebuffer and possibly fillrate advantage, but it
lacks in just about every other area.

Oh, really?

(As if the Xbox360 could pull off resistance or motorstorm... lol)

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAAHAH!!!!!!

 

[Brenden D. Chase]

But the fanboys would use that as a stick, doesn't matter how exact it
is, as long as it backs up their arguments. Pity some of them can't
spend more time playing and less time searching for tidbits on the
net. (Note is used the tidbits spelling in case any of them got any
funny ideas and we had to put up with shaky writing?)

I get Google alert emails for certain subjects, PS3 being one of them. It
was one of the few headlines talking about sales. I found it interesting
that Blig hadn't seen it yet and posted it to holy hell, so I used it.

I spend more time playing games than on here now that I've gotten a PS3.

 

[Brenden D. Chase]

Yes, that is correct, Branden posted an article regarding Japanese sales
only. I don't think he realized what the data demographics were. But, if
the PS3 got as many to the shelves before Xmas as reported, then they will
have out sold the 360 during its first two months by a very good figure.
Now, that isn't saying much because MS had big trouble producing them
enough to keep up for almost the first 4 months. Sony looks like it may be
doing better at getting the production up for the same period.

To be honest i didnt notice the "japan only" of the figures. I only posted
it as a joke, I wasnt trying to troll it. I didnt even read the article. (i
have now) I read the headline during my morning email routine, and when i
came across Android's post, i throught it in there blindly. I gladly
retract.

 

[Brenden D. Chase]

In japan... and at least people are not dumping 360s wholesale like
they are PS3s in north america....
l

Mind fetching me a link for this dumping of consoles?? And what makes you
think its not just those Ebaying idiots trying to get their monies back??

 

[Sammus McMouldenus]

I get Google alert emails for certain subjects, PS3 being one of them. It
was one of the few headlines talking about sales. I found it interesting
that Blig hadn't seen it yet and posted it to holy hell, so I used it.

I spend more time playing games than on here now that I've gotten a PS3.

Good for you. Shame your PS2 didn't provide you with much entertainment
before, I just hope the PS3 doesn't go the same way

 

[Sammus McMouldenus]

Mind fetching me a link for this dumping of consoles?? And what makes you
think its not just those Ebaying idiots trying to get their monies back??

I did earlier, and how exactly are they getting their monies back by
exchanging for a Wii?

 

[spaceman]

Same thing happened last generation. I told all you dumbfucks that the
PS2 was more powerful than the Xbox in a few areas yet no one listened.
But companies like Konami and Criterion also pointed out exactly what I
said and they proved it with games. (MGS2 still doesn't run worth shit
on Xbox and GT4 not only still looks better than any racing game Xbox
will ever have, it's 60fps @ 1080i)

actually that's not true. no one has proven shit with that shitty hardware,
and the vast majority of xbox games look better than ps2 games and always
will. mgs doesn't run as smooth on the xbox because it wasn't optimized for
it. and no, gt4 doesn't look as good as forza. it's getting old having to
listen to you people cling to that notion, when i have both games and i'm
able to run them side by side in the same room on identical displays. also,
gt4's fake 1080i looks like shit, even compared to true 480p.

Now there is no way the PS2 could do many of the exclusive Xbox games.
They are using pixel shaders and high quailty textures for things like
normal mapping which requires a lot of gpu intensive math. I'm not
saying the PS2 is more powerful than the Xbox overall, I'm just saying
it iS more powerful in a few areas. It's framebuffer and fillrate not
to mention floating point math hardware helps out a bit too!

numbers aren't shit, and we all know how sony construes numbers. the games
are what are important, and the games clearly show the xbox being superior,
and that numbers don't mean shit.

Please listen to me this time and don't make a fool of yourself again.

Both consoles will have strengths over the other. This time around the
Xbox360 has the framebuffer and possibly fillrate advantage, but it
lacks in just about every other area.

(As if the Xbox360 could pull off resistance or motorstorm... lol)

you must be joking.... get over it. sony basically lost the hardware war
again. the 360 has proven so far that their games have more visual impact
whether it's textures, color depth or framerate, and every developer will
tell you that the hardware is all around much more balanced. for ****s sake
don't go another generation trying to hold onto something that isn't there.
just be happy that you have a ps3 and let us xbox owners have the
satisfaction of knowing our games will yet again be slightly better than
yours.

 

[Brenden D. Chase]

I was fairly astonished by that comment. He said it as if it was a good
thing where instead it essentially confirms the theory that the PS3 is a
bugger to program for. No point in having all that power if noone can
actually use it!

How about that maybe the PS4 really isn't coming in 2011-2012, and that the
PS3 will be around for quite some time longer that the typical console
lifecycle. After all, the focus is "media center" capabilities.